Crystal Ray

Say, what do you think of meatholes.com otherwise?

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I don't like meatholes myself, too much male-rimming going on and I find that disgusting.

Midnightprowl.com on the other hand is great!

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Before the bit where she begins to lose it, Brandon says something like 'your just a hooker' and 'your three slaps from welling up like a girl'. After this she just loses it, she looked very upset. Brandon realises this and from what I can tell decided to even up things a bit. She really lays into him, no soft slaps just full on force to the face.

To be fair they both laugh about it after Crystal works him over, so I don't think there was any Animosity between them.

What fascinated me was the rawness of the scene, it was just full on payback time for Crystal and she really made the most of it and delivered with style!

Personally I don't have a problem with 'rough scenes', as long as both parties are aware of what is going to happen, each to their own.

As for meatholes.com, it's a good site and has a nice collection of scenes. There was one scene with Ashley Blue that I personally didnt like (choking) but most of them are quite good. In particular there's a great scene with Taylor Rain which is very hot.

The only negative thing I have to say about meatholes.com is that the person who films doesnt like to have his face in shot. He's happy enough to do what he does to the girls but when it comes to getting his face in the scene thats a big no no. There are a few clips where a effect has been used to mask out his face.

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Plus, what did Brandon do while she was slapping the shit out of him?

The Philosopher

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It wasn't as if Brandon just called her a 'whore' and then she snapped. It was most probably the build up and then that sent her over the edge.

I think he was shocked at first because she really let rip and connected well. Granted a few slaps hit his ear rather than the side of his face but still. He was red in the face and then he took another batch of slaps to the face and then asked her to kiss it better, this kinda settled the situation down a bit and they both started to laugh.

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Most of the big name directors/talent who shoot "rough" scenes are SO good about telling the talent up front what is going to happen.

Mason almost tries to talk girls OUT OF being in her movie-she made me watch two of her movies and talked to me for over a month before she decided I could be in her movie.

Brandon is actually one of the sweetest guys I have EVER met (in or out of the business). He is SO up front with girls about what he is filming and what almost makes you laugh when you are working for/with him is that he will be forcing his cock down your throat in the roughest way possible yelling the harshest things possible, but as soon as the director yells "cut" he is asking how you are doing, are you okay, etc. He even gives girls code words or actions to use if he goes to far. He is AWESOME to work with. I felt safer with him in the three scenes I have done with/for him than with anyone (and I went farther with him than almost anyone).

Jewel De'Nyle is also VERY choosy about who she uses for the very same reasons.

Not to take ANY side here, but just to let you know what you don't see at home when you watch their videos... they tell the girls up front what the video is like, they take care of the girls during the filming, and they are awesome to you before, during, and after the shoot.

Now having said all that... the rough stuff is real. It isn't faked. You are seeing real, intense, raw action. It is just that the girl knew before, and is taken care of when the camera is off.

I am glad Jewel chimed in letting you know Brandon was on his way overseas. Normally, he would be replying right away to this topic- you guys know that. He is gone 3 weeks. Maybe, when he gets back.

Does that help?

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Now personaly I think that this Brandon and Crystal scene was pleasantly rough - I really enjoyed it, but I couldnt bother not to notice how Brandon whispers (in a very sneaky way) something into Crystals right ear, shortly after she slaps him.

I am also suspicious about xxx_fan

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Thanks for the inside info on the rough stuff. At some point, I'd be interested in hearing more about your personal thoughts and feelings regarding the merits and demerits of rough sex scenes, if you're willing to share.

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I'm not sure whats going on here but a lot of the people on this forum seem to be very defensive. I have only posted a few times and have got some great help (mainly in the overseas shopping forum).

I simply posted about this to get some feedback, I have never seen a performer slap someone as hard as Crystal did, and I was wondering what other people who had seen the scene thought about it.

I wasn't having a go at anyone in any shape or form. I am actually a bit annoyed that I have to post this as my posts are not in anyway meant to offend anyone.

At least Crystal now knows that if she ever gives up porn then she can hop straight into female boxing with no problems

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The Philosopher

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I'm hardly praising 'meatholes' in my posts, I was just asking for feedback.

There was another point I would like to bring up about a scene on meatholes concerning Taylor Rain, but i'm not sure incase I get accused of being a 'shill' (Great word!).
Those of you who have seen the clip will know what i'm talking about, it's to do with her interview and who she will/wont work with.

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i've heard Brandon is a very nice guy but he went too far with Crystal Ray. Take a look at the video, u can see Brandon knows it too.

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Respectfully,
The Philospher

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I felt so angry at the Crystal Ray scene on meat holes. She seems such a nice girl, i was watching it and I really did want to kick the shit out of that guy. I hope that sort of thing doesn't happen again and I hope Crystal is okay after it.

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Crystal is fast becoming one of my favorite performers, she was awesome in 'New Girls 3' with Lucy Lee (Also a major babe!).

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I dont suspect you no more, I thought that you were a webmaster or related to MeatHoles.com and that you wanted to promote the site by "blending in" and telling us about the features of the site.

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Khan Tusion is number 3 on my "5 Best Directors" list, and I really love to see more of Crystal in his hijinxed movies.

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Does an actress find out when she is first booked for a scene what all will be included in it, or does she find out all the details when she shows up on the set? Also, in this Khan Tusion clip, it sounds like he was letting some 'improvisation' go on, like it wasn't all set out in detail beforehand? Any info?

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Now to answer your question...

That depends on the girl. :) I know girls who have arrived on the set (because somone else booked it for them) not knowing what they are doing, who they were working with or even sometimes the rate they are being paid. That is a combination of trust in the person who booked it and an almost blind stupidity :)

It all works out for them though if they are working with a legitimate director. Porn directors as a whole are much better people than I think some people outside the business think. :) Mind you, there are people you should not trust and quite frankly should not work with - but they are a much smaller minority than you may think. There are certain expectations and standards you can expect to get from good, legitmate directors and that helps the girls alot.

I can with COMPLETE honesty tell you that I liked every director I have worked with so far (maybe the bad ones didn't like me LOL), and I would work with every one of them again in a heartbeat. Some of them like Brandon Iron, Michael Stefano, Kat Slater, Mason, Joey Silvera, Skeeter Kerkove, Tom Byron, Axel Braun, Belladonna, Robby Fischer jump to mind I would BEG to work with over and over. Some of those directors I am proud to say have become my friends and we hang out just for fun outside of any work motive.

The director will tell you everything you ask; it is your responsibility as talent to nail everything down if they aren't telling you everything up front.

I have known before I went to every shoot exactly what I was getting paid, who I was working with, and what the scene type is.

However, that doesn't mean that the scene itself is already scripted out. You know for example that you are doing a boy/girl (you know will give a BJ, and have enough vaginal sex to fill the scene), or you know you are doing a boy/girl anal (including anal sex now), or you know you are doing a boy/girl/boy or boy/girl/girl. There are basic expectations that go along with that.

But, if you aren't familar with the directors work you need to be so you know the style of kind of scene they shoot. You also need to talk to the other talent you are working with to verify what each of you are into and what you are not into. For example, if a girl is not okay with being slapped in the face - if she tells the other talent and the director that is NOT okay; it won't happen.

Now, if the director's movie requires that then probably that director didn't book that girl in the first place because most rough lines that require it are going to weed out the girls that won't agree to it up front. There is a reason the rough line director will tell the girl up front and make sure she agrees to it - if she delivers a horrible scene or walks out then he/she is out thousands of dollars without a scene to put in their movie.

When the camera starts rolling though, the good directors are trying to capture real sex. So, they don't tell you "I want you to give BJ for 1.2 minutes and then move to the right and...." They let the actors go. They plan on capturing their vision via their camera work and by letting you know if they need something you are not giving.

The more experienced (or performance savy) the girl and the stronger the male talent the less the director dictates what you do. The are free to think of wardrobe, location, setup, pairings, sex acts, lighting, camera work, etc. That is where a director's vision and style makes it mark.

Of course, the weaker the male talent and/or the less experienced the female talent is the more the director finds him/herself having to tell them what to do (the more to edit out and the worse the continuity, flow, and "realness" of the sex).

It is up to the "actors" to deliver a great scene and each actor has their unique style they bring to the table.

The bottom line is we as talent need to take more responsibilty for ourselves - make the effort to nail down everything before hand and then always deliver the scene we are promising. Directors have a responsibility to be upfront with girls and book girls according to the match between the girl's comfort zone and the scene they want.

Here is how an actual scene worked:
When I worked with Brandon Iron in Michael Stefano's Fresh New Faces I showed up knowing that I was doing a boy/girl with anal and working with Brandon Iron. I knew what rate I was being paid, what the movie was going to be, and had a rough idea of Stefano's current work.

When they had set up, we talked a little bit about what Michael wanted from the scene (basically just a rough timeline, a variation of positions - which he was fine with Brandon and I chosing). We agreed that Brandon was going to deliver a hard scene where he was totally in control. Then Brandon and I talked about what was okay for him to do to me and what was okay for me to do to him. For example, I told him I didn't want my face slapped. He told me I could play with his balls. :) Then Michael let it roll...

Brandon basically made up the whole scene as he went along (with some key suggestions by Michael on breaks). I didn't even know he was going to go with the whole "dog barking" thing, but I went with it. :)

Michael basically rolled camera and let us go at it. That is why the scene came out so well. As bono-one put it in his review of Fresh New Faces "This was a perfect pairing as the two really fed off each other!"

(By the way, that movie as a whole really rocked; if you haven't seen it- check it out)

Now, remember, I am not addressing the Cyrstal Ray scene in particular (I haven't seen it and with Brandon overseas right now haven't asked him about it). Maybe she said she could do it (thinking she could) and then realized she didn't like it. Maybe you were watching a movie - meaning it was set up, scripted, and acted? Maybe it was a case of something gone too far. I just know how much care and concern Brandon has for the girls he works with so I wonder...

Does that help answer your quesion?

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what has Taylor said in this interview about who she will/wont working with? Has it to do with interracial scenes?

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Personally I don't have a problem if a performer says she doesnt want to work with whoever. It's a free country and everyone has the right to express their opinion.

I think it's a shame though as Taylor is fantastic and I would love to see her in a scene with someone like Lex.

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Thanks for your reply to my question, it was more than adequate. And it sounds like you know how to speak up for yourself.

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If you don´t like it. Then just don´t watch it. They are all adults and can take care of themselves.

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