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To me, when it's non passable, that tells me that they are dealing with a top shelf Author and I should expect more from the overall DVD experience.

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I hate being forced to do anything.

I've been watching videos/dvds for well on 25 years now, I get the fucking idea. Copying is bad.

Guess what, they're stupid little message only makes me mod my DVD player to allow me to access the content I want, when I want -- not after some arbitary time -- or it forces me to do some reauthoring.

It's insulting. Almost as bad as commercials in movie theatres ("So, Jeff... why did you stop going to the movies?") or trailers in front of the Disney films my kids devour (My 2 year old's budding volcabularly was littered with "Chicken Little! Chicken Little" references.. and then the movie scared the bejeesus out of her...).

All ways of saying "bend to my will."

Could there be another industry that holds their fans in such contempt? Perhaps the music industry, but only by a smidge.

From today's NY Times Op/Ed by Damian Kulash, the "the lead singer for OK Go." (never heard of them.)

"... No matter how sophisticated the [copy-protection] software, it takes only one person to break it, once, and the music is free to roam and multiply on the peer-to-peer file-trading networks.

Meanwhile, music lovers get pushed away. Tech-savvy fans won't go to the trouble of buying a strings-attached record when they can get a better version free. Less Net-knowledgeable fans (those who don't know the simple tricks to get around the copy-protection software or don't use peer-to-peer networks) are punished by discs that often won't load onto their MP3 players (the copy-protection programs are incompatible with Apple's iPods, for example) and sometimes won't even play in their computers.

Conscientious fans, who buy music legally because it's the right thing to do, just get insulted. They've made the choice not to steal their music, and the labels thank them by giving them an inferior product hampered by software that's at best a nuisance, and at worst a security threat.

As for musicians, we are left to wonder how many more people could be listening to our music if it weren't such a hassle, and how many more iPods might have our albums on them if our labels hadn't sabotaged our releases with cumbersome software. "

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Why is the message 80seconds?

could a brief message appear for 5 seconds and then the rest at the end of the movie?

Most porn DVDs aren't even encrypted so why put the stupid warning message if you can simply drag and drop all the material for the world to have?

Customers ie paying customers don't like it so fix it or lose the customers.

Use Arcoss to slow down the copying of discs.

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Or, perhaps there's a more mundane answer -- "the guy in authoring fucked up."

(And why do producers care? Once they unload it to retailers, its the retailer's problem, isn't it?)

Besdies, you just drive people to this (from a thread about Arcoss encoded discs at some forum Google turned up...)

"Hi there, I had the same problem, so I went ahead and clone the whole movie with EvilProgram 3.0.2.5 from whopp-de-doo.xxx in to an ISO image, now that software removes copy protection and that kind of stuff, so mounted the Iso image in EvilVirutalDrive 5.1.1.1 and used EvilProgram to remove aditional features, languajes and that kind of crap, burned it to dvd and now I have a region free, crap free dvd, and my original one is safely putted away in my collection box."

But I guess this is OK, since s/he bought the original copy -- and stripped away all the bullshit that destorys the DVD experience for him/her.

Or is it?

Edited by - adult movie faq on 12/6/2005 2:51:28 PM

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No, I'm not going to give up on a movie over this, but the question is still, why is 1:06 better than :15? You're just punishing a guy who did buy the disc and isn't copying anything -- not just once, but every time he puts the damn thing in.

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I've never been a fan of in your face copyright warnings. Though I don't condone piracy, I certainly am not in favor of these longer than neccessary FBI screens. I concur that they do nothing to deter those who want to copy the stuff anyway. And it's understandable that some people don't mind the wait and what not, we all have different ways of doing things, but the real losers are people like ObiBong and myself who pay for our movies legitimately and have every right to get to the good stuff right away.

Call me impatient, but I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see Brianna Love getting fucked right away instead of staring at an FBI warning screen.

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Seriously, NONE of us would be whinging if we had Brianna Love in a bikini telling us that copyright is bad. Heck, we'd probably sit there and learn the lines with her so that everytime we watch the movie we could lip-sync with Brianna. We could get a different star to do it each disc - and then there'd be some of us buying a disc purely because we're completists and we really wanted to see Lauren Phoenix read out the copyright notice on TEENS NEED CHOCOLATE CUM #7.

90 seconds of pre-movie material well-spent, eh?

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COPYRIGHT WHORES

A collection of thirty-three 'verbal copyright tease sequences' featuring some of Private's hottest stars explaining why you should not be involved in porn film piracy. Unless that means buying the 'Pirate Fetish machine' series. That sort of Piracy is good.'

Edited by - Ultrasiet2 on 12/7/2005 8:10:09 AM

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I'll accept the "enhanced" copyright warning because it won't detract from my enjoyment of the DVD, although it will momentarily delay my gratification.

I haven't bought or rented any DVDs that I know have watermarks because watermarks significantly hinder my enjoyment.

Obviously, if other people were as irritated by watermarks as I am, companies would not be using them. If I could put up with them, I would. Unfortunately, I have tried and failed. They are deal breaker as far as I am concerned.

However, the "enhanced" copyright warnings are not a deal breaker for me.

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When a company cares so little about the consumer that they put grafitti on thier movies, why should anyone be surprised that they will make you sit through a 1:06 FBI warning with a disabled remote?

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I just hope I won't have to deal with anything like that on your PXP titles.

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To all studios:
If there is some truth in the idea that not forcing the viewer to watch the FBI warning may compromise future litigation against bootleggers, fair enough, show the warning for 2-3 seconds.
But do we have to watch animated logos and other pointless annoyances (we know who you are, we bought one of your titles for fecks sake) before getting to the main menu?

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Edited by - 1on1Fan on 12/8/2005 12:53:27 PM

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When you mention forced viewing...what the hell would you call the phone sex ads that appeared at the beginning of videos? Every company did it differently back then so there was no set time duration. The same holds true with DVD pre-show material - for the most part companies do it differently. Compare, for example, Legend, RLD, and Digital Playground - which do you REALLY think is most annoying?

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I'm happy I have a software DVD player on the computer that will allow me to bypass all that crap and just jump to where I want to go.

The beginning of the new DMJ movie has forced shit, and it drives me nuts. Disney does it too, so its not a porn phenomena. It's marketers taking advantage of a captive audience. It is insulting to me as a viewer and a consumer.

I don't want to have to put on a DVD of any type, porn or otherwise, and then change the channel to something else so I can skip the commericals... and hope I make it back to the menu...

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Right now, the company that is most aggressively persuing pirates is Evil Angel. They do absolutely nothing on their DVD's that disable the remote to force the viewer to watch anything that they don't want to.

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Here in Australia, many of our "region 4" releases are the same as the European R2s, (they're R2/4) and so we get the same multilanguage warnings, but they're after the feature, not before.

And yes, Brandon hits the nail right on the head there.

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I love your movies but to me you're telling me that you don't give a damn about my movie watching experience.

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Let's hope that things take a turn for the better, and soon , because Brandon and the rest of the guys at PXP and RLD really are putting out the best stuff out there in my opinion. There is no need to attach such a detrimental aspect to what is a great product otherwise.

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100% of my mainstream movies do no require this.

Great thread, I am glad I know how redlight values their customers time ahead of me wasting my money with them. There is so much good porn out there that I can afford to not have my time wasted.

Cabdvd.com/Panochas Calientes is the company whose long ass forced intro sucks a dick. What sucks even more is if the movie ends, it goes right back to the forced watching again... and you cannot skip it even this time.

Edited by - Rey de Azulejos on 12/19/2005 10:37:17 PM

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