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M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - May 27 2004 : 8:11PM
Just watched some of the new Buttwoman Iz Phoenix and the action is hot, but this movie is ruined by some annoying camera angle that has this big white frame on it with a red REC (record) icon visible in it as well. This big white annoying pice of crap frame and red REC icon is only shown when one of the performers (most of the time Buttwoman) is using that specific camera to film the action. I'd just like to express how brutally bad and annoying this thing is. And I hope that you guys didn't put this in the Squirtwoman movie, because if you did I'll be extremely disappointed and will have to cancel my pre-orderded copy.
It totally ruined the Buttwoman Iz Phoenix flick. I was going to buy it but refuse to spend my money to watch a big white square and REC icon that's only used on 20 year old home movies.
I wouldn't care if this was a shit movie, but the action is good and was ruined with this idiotic white frame and red REC icon.
Who's bright idea was this abomination
Rant over


Edited by - M.B. on May 27 2004

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 27 2004 : 8:18PM
It's that damn Paige Cam from TRADING SPACES

-T.C.

Elegant Angel
Elegant Angel

272 Posts
4/04
Posted - May 27 2004 : 8:49PM
Hey M.B.,

I'm so sorry you felt your viewing of this movie was compromised by this. I'm sure you understand the intention, to emphasize the vouyeristic thrill of Lauren behind the camera lens with this brand of realism. Like I said, I'm sorry it didn't work for you. This effect isn't featured in the Squirtwoman movie.

rob2
Member

824 Posts
2/04
Posted - May 28 2004 : 12:16AM
I too saw this thing, and man was I underwhelmed by it. First of all, the lack of imagination! Look, I understand the buttwoman set up, I've seen em all, but here we go again with an interview in Pat's office, I mean I've seen this with Tiffany, A. Quinn, and who knows how many other times too. The same tired elegant angel set ups, boring!!!!!!!!!!I mean how can you mess up a scene with Cytherea AND Lauren Phoenix, how can that scene be as lifeless as it is here even with her squirting everyhwere? Randy Spears? Scary. Is this 1991? Have they seen what else is being done out there? Conceptually, lighting? Attention to detail? Where is the vision? This thing is on auto pilot, conceptually dated. Waste.
Crucifixio_Jones
Senior Member

Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist
4727 Posts
10/03
Posted - May 28 2004 : 1:31AM
Ouch.

And just when I thought Elegant Angel was "back."

 
sanchez_1960
Member

582 Posts
2/03
Posted - May 28 2004 : 2:31AM
Won't be getting that movie then, thats the sort of stuff that leaves an image ghost burn on my Plasma TV!
Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - May 28 2004 : 3:46AM
The person who directed this movie should watch more Buttman movies and learn.....
Elegant Angel
Elegant Angel

272 Posts
4/04
Posted - May 28 2004 : 8:34AM
Hey everybody,

I thought I'd take a moment to address of all your concerns the best I can. In relation to this effect on the camera screen, during Buttwoman, I can only re-emphasise that I'm sorry anyone felt it compromised their viewing. It was only used for short periods when Lauren was behind the camera. I would like to add that I've spoken to innumerable people who felt the effect was well used, and lended itself to the vouyeristic thrill that is the trademark of the series.

Addressing Rob2's points, I would only encourage you to view a broader range of our material. I think with Tails of Perversity 11, in addition to Thomas Zupko's Big Wet Asses series, and the upcomming Squirtwoman, we are making significant strides, and offering customers imaginative, innovative porn. Naturally, we always need to be doing more, and if you have any personal suggestions for ideas you'd like to see us pursuing, feel free to let me, or anyone else at the company know. At Elegant Angel we really do care whether we are providing you with product that you enjoy, and we always want to hear customers criticisms and suggestions. I believe that if Elegant Angel are going to make the requisite strides in improving all aspects of what we are producing, this kind of feedback will be an absolute neccesity.

Personally, I loved Buttwoman, but then I am biased :). AVN, and Adam Film World editors choice reviews don't address anyone's concerns, however, I hope they provide sufficient cause for people reading this thread to check the movie out for themselves and make up their own minds.

Edited by - Graham on 5/28/2004 8:48:50 AM

M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - May 28 2004 : 9:59AM
There's nothing wrong with the action, lighting, etc. But that damn white square covers up a lot of the action when it's shown. For the next Buttwoman release you guys might want to consider losing it. I didn't buy this movie solely because of it. And this white frame isn't only shown when Phoenix is filming with the camera, all the performers in the first scene passed the camera around taking turns filming the action, every time they cut to the "performer cam" you get the big white square in your face, it's terrible. You can also tell that this "effect" was put in during the editing stage and it's not actually there in the source material. Someone actually went to the trouble of putting this white frame in the movie after it was already filmed.

Edited by - M.B. on 5/28/2004 10:10:09 AM

Patrick Collins
Elegant Angel

29 Posts
9/02
Posted - May 28 2004 : 2:31PM
Hi Everyone,
First off, I want to thank all of you for your input. I want you to know I agree with some of the criticisms and share some of the same concerns.

Since the health of Elegant Angel is wholly dependent on the consumer being satisfied that the company is making every effort to provide creative, quality, jack off material I think it's important I make clear this is ALWAYS our intention.

The window of time during which this was shot was a time of many challenges for the company. These in part contributed to some elements I would have preferred not seeing. Case in point the effect on the POV cam. At the same time, I want to stress that I think it showcases the intensity and creativeness of Lauren Phoenix very well. I also have difficulty in fairly assessing my own movies. Without exception, every one I've shot over the years has come up short of my original vision. Some that I liked the least fans liked the best. So, it's hard to be balanced .

There are some people that really like it and obviously some that don't.
I'll keep striving to improve, and you folks keep sharing your insights. We may not always agree, but it sure as hell makes me work harder hearing your opinions.:-)

Thank,
Patrick


astroknight All-Star Supporter
Questionable Moderator

Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - May 28 2004 : 4:39PM
I guess there's good and bad here, and we'll have to see which wins out in future releases. I haven't seen the movie, but have to say that I'm glad Elegant Angel is trying to do something different rather than just following the crowd on their movies. Creativity and trying something new are good things. They only turn bad when the new creative things don't work and the people doing those new and creative things refuse to admit it.

When man invented fire, he didn’t say, 'hey, let’s cook', he said, 'great, now we can see naked bottoms in the dark.' - Coupling

Manolo
Member

South America.
148 Posts
2/02
Posted - Jun 4 2004 : 3:42AM
Is Lauren Phoenix dp'ed in the ButtWoman video, anybody, please?? Thanks!
valjean4876
Member

953 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 4 2004 : 8:48AM
Just a suggestion for Phoenix DP lovers: Service Animals 15.

Sorry, I haven't seen the Buttwoman video.

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