I first remember her when she was on the Stern show about 8 years ago. Then I remember seeing her a few times on the E! network (which broadcasts his radio show). Now she's a star, and she has been for a while, but for what I'm not clear. Has she ever been on Letterman Oprah or any shows like that? How exactly did she get to be so big?
She's famous because Brad Armstrong made her a star thanks to his genius storylines and Rocco like sex scenes he gave her.
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 4:56AM
Haters Haters Haters,
"She never did IR, so she is overrated"????.
AND if it was all Brad Armstrong/Wicked. How come they haven't done it again? They have Stormy 1 of the hottest/coolest feature Stars around and they haven't shot her to Jenna's level. Serenity was there forever and never got to that level.
Anybody who goes back and watches "Up and Cummers" can see what made her famous. I call that thing "IT", because I can't think of a word or phrase that completely describes "IT". It's a fire, a presence, a sweetness, a charm, and more all combined. Add that "IT" to the fact I believe she treats people right and when you treat people right they treat you right back.
All you haters better hope she gets pregnant and leaves Porn, because if she doesn't and wanted to take over Porn she could. That young women could be the controller of all things Porn if she wished to.
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 5:26AM
It's just good business savvy and representation (whether it be her own or the companies she's been with) and a bit of what BSD said.
Stern played a huge part, there's no doubt about that. The movie, the hype he caused, her many appearances. That man has 10+ million listeners a week. That has to count for something.
Gargantuan billboards plastered in Time Square and on Hollywood Blvd. certainly help with exposure too.
Serenity is a pretty big name, though. She's been all over E!. I just don't think Serenity embraced the "lifestyle" like Jenna. She didn't date rockstars (and if she did, it's definitely not public knowledge) and except for her movies and television appearances, she kept a real low profile. I don't recall her ever talking about her "conquests" Read her interview at Metal Sludge and you can see that she seems very private.
Comparing Serenity and Jenna is pointless. They're two different human beings with different priorities.
Another example of a "Jenna Phenomenon" is Jesse Jane. D.P. is practically shoving that chick down everyone's fuckin throat. Howard Stern, rock band affiliation, mainstream men's magazine layouts, dating Tommy Lee. Do we see a pattern yet?
Does she have "It". I don't think so. She has a ferocious and determined team behind. Nothing more.
I'm not a hater. I'm pretty much completely indifferent about the actual porn, but I commend Jenna for what she has accomplished after she got to a certain position. I worked damn hard to achieve what I have in my life, and I'm sure Jenna has worked 10 times harder to achieve what she has. If it was easy to do what she has done, everyone would be in her position.
Now an aside: AC, dude, you need to lighten up. Calling people haters is a little uncalled for. You take this stuff so seriously. One day you're going to give yourself a brain aneurysm.
There's quite a few reasons. She was one of the first major porn stars to embrace what she did without any hang ups or embarassment, which resulted in her crossing over into the mainstream successfully. Many famous porn stars of the time before her later left porn and then did a full circle - rejecting the industry and openly talking about the "evil" of it all. She was also very hard working and determined to become number one. In the up and cummers scene she has such an innocence and warmth that not many porn stars possess - a lot of actresses today perform like they're at their own funeral. There's something captivating about her. I think her girl/girl scenes are better than her boy/girl though.
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 6:22AM
Diamond Dog,
I agree about Howard, but instead of saying his name I made the comment about her treating people right and them treating her right back.
As far as the "Haters Haters Haters" comment, I had 2 posters in mind for that. 1 who doesn't respect Jenna because every other film she did wasn't IR and the other 1 that thinks Brad Armstrong/Wicked are responsible for Jenna's success.
I agree DP is shoving their girls down our throats. They did it with Devon, but I think she had a bigger name and was more well liked when she was with Vivid. As for Jesse Jane having "IT" no is the answer. Jesse is hot, has a sexual appetite that's of the chart, and she can talk dirty like no other, BUT I can't say I've seen "IT" from her.
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 6:31AM
Darcie Jade,
Those aren't all of the reasons, but I definitely agree with the 1's you spoke about.
Jenna's famous in certain cirlces and is probably the most famous porn star of all time save for possibly Ron Jeremy or John Holmes. Who can say why she has become so famous. Who knows why Ron Jeremy has become famous outside the world of porn. I guess "IT" is a good enough word to describe the phenomenon.
There are plenty of girls as pretty as Jenna with outstanding personalities. It's kind of hard to pinpoint why Jenna has done so well and other girls have not quite reached her level. The only bad thing is that for a female their fame is as fleeting as their beauty. I hope Jenna can settle into her age and doesn't do crazy plastic surgery to stave off time. I always hate when I see famous females who can't grow old with grace. They resort to all kinds of extreme behavior to keep themselves looking young.
Actually I was kidding, I believe Jenna is where she is because of her looks and her special personality that other stars seem to miss. The Armstrong/Jenna scenes mostly sucked imo.
I agree with this. Plenty of people have been on Stern, but they don't have "IT" like Jenna does. Sure she has been promoted alot in various ways but that's because she has that special something.
I've never seen a movie with Jenna but I do think she went out of her way to publicize herself and to give a very positive image of pornography on a global scale. She did have the right entourage, but many girls did too at one moment and nobody's quite as popular as Jenna, so she must be doing something right. Regardless of her history with drugs and cosmetic surgey, she still projects a very wholesome & healthy image which all demographics can emphasize with. She reminds me of Pamela Anderson in that sense.
Thanks for the link! A nice read, but I do agree with the comments at the bottom of the interview.
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 7:18PM
Yeah, not the most exciting interview in the history of journalism, but for some reason I think there is something kind of charming about that.
I probably should have made a direct link in my first post. Kind of tricky to find the interview.
Here's a direct link for those who are interested.
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 10:31PM
Are you kidding me?? Jenna has had every surgical procedure known to mankind and she's still only average looking for a porn girl. And her performances are lukewarm, at best. Wicked PR queen Joy King is the reason Jenna is a 'star' today.
Had Tera Patrick not screwed up royally, she would easily have been the top girl in the business by now. Unfortunately, she distroyed both her looks and her career - but she had it all for a second there. Sad.
Tera Patrick was never an enthusiastic performer either. I was all set to be a fan, then I saw her in a movie.
Jenna Jameson was a very cute girl coming into porn. Check her out in early magazine spreads and in the Up and Cummer series. She had large breasts and a cute face - probably still does underneath all that vampish makeup. Better looking than others of the time? Maybe not, but near the top.
Jenna Jameson benifited from Traci Lords being on Melrose Place and some other porn stars on Showtime shows. Interview her on a show where much of the audience makes no judgements for themselves and have the host go on and on about her. Certainly white washes her dead performances.
I found her early Randy West performance, like everyone else has it seems. Other attempts to find a good movie have left me asking the same question we're trying to answer here: "What's driving all this mania?" And yet despite this, every so often I still go back again and try to find good Jenna,.... because I feel like it's my duty as a guy?!?! That's the power of the publicity machine at work! It's this weird peer pressure where you start to doubt yourself and think she must have something that you just haven't seen yet....because she's Jenna after all!
I think the best way to sum up her powers is to say her smiling face convinces the male mind that something good is always right around the next corner, if we would just walk that extra mile for her........ That would explain why guys who just turned 18 now are also caught up in the web. To me, this proves it wasn't just ONE really successful media blitz that made her huge, but an ongoing phenomenon. A perpetual motion machine. Whatever.
Anyway, real or not, it's an amazing power and lets take a moment to appreciate it. ........... We're taking a moment..........and we're done.
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Posted - Oct 12 2004 : 3:40AM
My early exposures to Jenna Jameson included reading about her in AVN, seeing her on Howard Stern's TV show and going to the theatre to see the Private Parts movie. Seeing her in Private Parts made me especially interested in seeing her x-rated movies. The first x-rated movie that I saw of Jenna's was the Wicked Weapon movie. Jay Allen Sanford, Carnal Comics ex-publisher, loaned me a Wicked Weapon video. Jay was writing a comic book adaptation Wicked Weapon. The movie didn't impress me that much. In my opinion, Jenna had too much makeup on and the sex scenes were just OK. I thought that having Jenna as a superhero had a lot of potential but the story should have been more entertaining. When I expressed my opiion to Jay, he recommended that I see Jenna's Up 'n Cummers videos. According to Jay, Jenna's performances for the Randy West series is what made him decide that he wanted to do a Jenna Jameson comic book biography. Someone said to Jay that Jenna was just another pretty blonde but Jay saw the potential in her back in 1995. I thought Jenna was very attractive in Private Parts but When I saw Jenna's charm and great sexual preformances in Up 'n Cummers, I could see why Jenna could become so popular.
I have only met Jenna once. She was at Blowout Video and there was a line of hundreds of people. I made the mistake of not coming early enough to the signing. Jenna signed for me and I asked her about future mainstream acting roles. Last year, I co-wrote and did research for an update of Jenna's comic book biography (Jenna Jameson/Wicked Weapon Collection #1). Reading about Jenna, looking at screenshots of Jenna's movies and looking at Jenna pictorials got me more interested in Jenna. The most recent Jenna movies that I have seen are I Dream of Jenna and Jenna Loves Rocco. Are there any Jenna movies that people would recommend as their favorites?
At least I feel most of the surgery she has had hasn't exactly improved her looks. And part of her success is surely based on her looks, I seriously doubt wicked could have taken any average pornstar and had the same success. I have also yet to see any pornstar that is better looking than Jenna in her wicked days.
Are there people seriously comparing Jenna to Serenity? Wow, there is no comparison. Plus the fact that Serenity seems to gain weight from time to time while Jenna stays great. I think Jenna's popularity is because she embodies the stereotypical male barbie fantasy....blond, super small, huge boobs, and skinny. Throw in the fact that she did a bunch of girl-girl scenes which boys love. Presto!
The thing is, at the time Wicked didn't have a stable of TOP beauties. But what they DID have was a great publicist.
Vivid had all the best-looking girls, but Vivid never kept their publicists around long enough to do any substancial work. They just never cared to promote the girls as fiercely as Joy King/Wicked did with Jenna.
Today, practically any girl who signs with DP is bound to be a star. It's all about PR.
Firstly, she's a very beautiful young lady. Secondly, she arrived on the porno scene after Pamela Anderson had been huge in Baywatch..there was that whole thing going on, magazines started carrying articles about porn in them and i think many guys got into porn then when it started to become more mainstream..Jenna was the perfect ' vehicle ' to bring them in.
She's not one of my favourites ( but it's all personal taste isn't it ? ) but to say she's bad infront of the camera is ridiculous. Chasey, Tera...there have been many girls that look beautiful but don't fuck beautiful.
Well Jenna has positioned her self well.All the aforementioned reasons are true .Ask why Jennifer Lopez,Ricky Martin,Paris Hilton,etc are famous,key word here is PROMOTION (a tenacious well paid publicist), only Jenna does have a sweetness about her that is intoxicating, also she has that "girl I went to high school with" quality.I shot Jesse Jane over at Playboy last year.She seemed nice enough but to me she is a pre-fabricated/manufactured porn-star incarnate.I've rarely ever seen her smile...very off-putting.Jenna has a more human, non-threatening, approachable vibe which for the mainstream makes it easy to forget what a Dirty Girl she really is!!Remember too, you're as famous as you want to be as long as the public is buying it.Tic-Toc.....
To me, its as easy as her name recognition. I meet people all the time who know who she is; they have never seen flashpoint, bellalovesjenna, or the Up and Cummer vids. But they listen to Howard, saw her on E, etc.
You can credit this to PR, but behind it all is the brains of Jenna. Sure, she has looks, but so do many porn girls. Its how you use what you have that determines your place in porn. Who hired the PR, who chose the directors, movies, etc? She is not a puppet, although I might of thought that some time ago. She is more the puppeteer of porn, pulling the strings of the studios and fans and doing what she wants to do in her own time.
I am one of the biggest non-fans of Jenna, but I realize that her phenomena is a snowball of pop culture; she epitomizes what people associate with porn. Especially people who are not exposed to it daily or do not watch it except when they are on business trips and only are exposed to adult movies via cable versions of it at the local Marriott.
The comment about Pamela explains it perfectly prior; we were exposed and conditioned to the uber-blonde in the nineties via Howard, Playboy, Baywatch, etc. Pamela Anderson is considered by many to be the best looking chick ever; Anna Nicole came out a little before then, plus we had Jenny McCarthy, and that one porno girl named Savannah.
According to my research, Savannah died 7/11/94 by self inflicted gun shot wound.
When did jennas first movie come out? Up and Cummers 11 (1994) was one I remember... I think mainstream porn people latched on to Savannah, she passed away, and along came this bubbly, cute blonde named Jenna who fit the bill as the next 'it' thing. I can't define what 'it' is. But she has 'it' big time. A billboard in Time Square? Unreal...
I ask myself very often why it is that I became so popular. But really, does it matter? I worked extremely hard from the time I entered the adult industry, because I like to strive to be the best... in EVERYTHING I do. I also have said time and time again, I love the porn industry, and I always will. I will never denounce being a porn star, nor will I ever be ashamed. People can take me or leave me. They just happened to take me! Thank goodness. The only thing that bothers me, is when people take pot shots at me... when it comes to plastic surgery or what the call lukewarm sex scenes. I perform REAL sex scenes. That is me you are seeing on the screen, and I take pride in not faking or forcing myself to do things I am uncomfortable with. Now when it comes to plastic surgery... that seems silly that this subject was even brought up in this thread. What does that have to do with my popularity? NOTHING, in my opinion. Everyone knows what I have had done... because I am honest about it. My chin and my boobs. Is that everything under the sun? Maybe to some, but not to me. I do agree with a lot of what everyone has said, although...you all seem to be able to explain it better than I can. I will just continue to plug away, and love my life!
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Posted - Oct 13 2004 : 7:14PM
You Go Girl!
The reason you can't explain "IT" is because "IT" comes from inside of you.
I think it's funny a lot of people want to give credit for your success to everyone but the person who deserves the credit. You
I've only watched one Jenna scene, the one she did with Rocco Siffredi in "Jenna Loves Rocco". But I've watched him with at least 30 different women over the past year and a half, from scenes shot over the course of 14 years of his career.
The Jenna/Rocco scene is one of the better pairings I've ever watched with him, certainly in the top 10%.
My opinion is that Jenna's long-lived popularity is based on a couple of things. She's both innocent looking and sexy, much in the way of a Marilyn Monroe. She's also managed her career well, picking and choosing what she wants to do, and who with, rather than letting some agent do the picking/choosing for her. Plus, when she appears in public on TV, she's well-spoken and looks professional.
BTW, I stopped by my local township library today, and saw the Jenna's book was in the "Reserved" section. It's popular enough that people have to sign up on a waiting list to check it out to read.
I'm not giving credit for her success to anyone else but she is not the soul reason..as i said i think the window of opportunity was there and she took it beautifully ( just like in her scenes..) As i said whether or not you find her beautiful is all down to personal taste but anyone who says she is a poor actress or her scenes aren't real...well they're wrong.
If you're a female performer you don't last 10 years in this business without being good infront of the camera. Jenna eats it alive.
Personally i'd rather watch Jewel De Nyle but that's just me.
That's probably the key to Jenna's long lasting fame in my opinion . How many 'stars' have you spotted who looked hot or cool or whatever , but when you heard them speak it was a major disappointment . Mrs Jameson appears to know the angles and how to play journos at their own game - just check out the recently disgraced Bill O'Riely's interview for proof of that . On top of that she appears to be a genuinely decent person - which would surely be hard to fake over any extended period of time - and that always surfaces .
Perhaps some of the other reason is the paucity of her performances . I can't think of any other girl who's worked so long but produced so few films - though maybe Julia Ann comes close . I guess the benefit is firstly to ensure they're all high quality releases - so that any new fan won't be left with a sour taste in his/her mouth - and secondly to maintain a sense of expectation among her existing fans . First rule of showbiz : always leave them wanting more .
But behind any plans or PR it always comes back to the woman herself . Which means she must be special . But hey , I'm special too , just in a slightly *different* way .
Over here we get a programme called ' Laid Bare ' which is about the adult entertainment industry..there's also ' Porno Valley ' and i've gone off a few stars after i've heard them being interviewed or watching them interact with people behind the scenes.
I love those types of programmes..helps you see what people are really like.
A lot of these little interviews you get before scenes are nothing but ' Hi, my name is *****, i'm 19 and i'm from ****** " and then it's straight down to the cocksucking. Other times you've got some wise guy behind the camera who seems to think he's the star and is trying to make loads of jokes that you or the talent just don't understand.
If you're gonna ask the girl something, make it worthwile..otherwise why bother ?
There was a recent article in The Age (an Australian newspaper) on Jenna and the release of her book. There was a large close up headshot photo of Jenna without any make up, looking naturally at the camera and she looks so stunning. She definitley has the "wow" factor. She looks so vulnerable and beautiful you just want to hug her and take her home like a lost kitten. I'd scan it for you all but my editing software is playing up. I'd love to see scenes with her more "at home" look. Although, I like her with make up too (loved the heavy eye make up in the Jenna and Bella scene). The interviewer was an idiot though he actually asked if anyone had ever been embarassed at meeting her (as in embarrassed that she's a porn star). She said he was rude! Ha ha.
Thanks for the link Stemcell . After checking Jenna's house out I have just one question : why no high tech toilet ??? You know , one of those Japanese ones which both cleans up and analyses . I know that when I make my bundles of dough that'll be one of my ultimate purchases . A toilet with flashing lights : it's the only way to go !
Oh , and I had a poster of a yellow Lamborghini on my wall as a nipper growing up - but then I'm just cool like that !
Beauty Excellent performances Consistent performances not doing too many scenes only doing high quality films not doing gonzo
all of the above have helped make her the star she is. She's one of my favourite performers ever, and she deserves it IMO - far superior to girls who are more popular in the "hardcore" crowd such as Teagan, Aurora, Belladonna etc... and also much better than similar stars such as Jenteal, R Darrian, Nikki Dial etc...
Lots of the 90's Jenna from Wicked is kept in stock in stores, but never the movie Paradise. What's up with that? I've had 204 opportunities to see Dangerous Tides but only 1 chance to see Paradise, and it was gone after that one sighting, and it's never reappeared in all this time, while other titles get re-released or whatever keeps them in circulation. And it's killing me because it's got Nikki Lynn + a good Holly Body scene, and some kind of disorienting group scene! Come on, now! By the year 2010 I might have to start thinking about buying this just to see it. Outrageous.
Yes, that first photo was the one. Thank you Stemcell for the JJ home tour. How cute is Carmen the chihuahua! I'm a little biased though because I have a Chihuahua myself. They're suprisingly feisty and like to boss big dogs around. I thought they'd have the personalities of poodles or maltese and love being pampered etc, but they're no wimps!