Can this please be eliminated from straight porn! (page 2)

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Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 12:20AM Agreed. If you're going to use the editing excuse you better have a Thelma Schoonmaker-style editor. If jump cuts are alright for a position change, then why not the pop? [Link]
JimGunn Member Where The Teens Are 173 Posts 1/02	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 3:15AM I'm just going to add to my previous explanation about the shooting and editing of cum shots that a lot of the male talent, even experienced male talent with hundreds of scenes under their belt, prefer or indeed are only able to pull off a cumshot in a reasonable period of time by jerking it themselves rater than having the girls suck or stroke it off. Sometimes it can depend on how tired they are as well or how many scenes they did that day or on how enthusiastic the girl is to help. There are cases where I let the male pull right out and cum if I think he can do it smoothly and if I have confidence that the girl is camera aware enough to spin around and catch it on her face in time. But unfortunately those are the exceptions, and most of the time the expedient thing to do is to have the guy pull out, turn to point towards the models face and jerk it off right into her mouth. It's just quicker, easier and less risky. [Link]
JimGunn Member Where The Teens Are 173 Posts 1/02	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 3:18AM Uncle Fester wrote: I agree with the editing. And the whole arguement about providing continuity is a load of crap. I mean, really, how may times is there an edit and we go from the girl dressed and giving head and then the next scene she is in a RCA DP. It's just laziness in post production. Click to expand I agree. I am old school. I like to show transitions, getting undressed, moving from bj to mish, then to doggy etc. There is still a way to cut the footage down if you are trying to edit it for time without just relying on a cross dissolve between two unrelated sequences like I see in a lot of gonzo movies nowadays. [Link]
Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 7:24AM Jim Gunn - Thanks for the great info... Has anybody ever tried setting up the cumshot lighting, camera angle, and (almost there) zoom level and then letting the talent perform the last planned position, so that the guy can blow his load a minute later, in all the right lighting etc, in a continuous flow (no cumaways etc) ? As for the jack-off footage, there's not much worse than when the guy is jackin off aggressively, going "yeah yeah here it comes" etc and then a little drip drip oozes out.. completely pathetic popshot. And I'd say the reason the popshot is always done with the guy doing the stroking is the mind-cock connection that allows a certain control over the load-blowing trajectory, which could not be obtained when the girl is doing the yanking. As in you often see the guy pausing for a second to let the wad fly out. If the girl did it, the continous vibrations of her hand would send the wad spraying in every direction except onto her face/wherever. I know some people might suggest the girl jackin the guy with her lips firmly wrapped around his purple helmet, but this does not allow the oh-so-satisfying sight of seeing the wad of cock-yoghurt whip through the air in a poetic motion. [Link]

LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:44AM JimGunn wrote: I'm just going to add to my previous explanation about the shooting and editing of cum shots that a lot of the male talent, even experienced male talent with hundreds of scenes under their belt, prefer or indeed are only able to pull off a cumshot in a reasonable period of time by jerking it themselves rater than having the girls suck or stroke it off. Click to expand This is what I've always suspected. Male talent masturbates-to-pop because they HAVE to. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 2:02PM JimGunn wrote: I'm just going to add to my previous explanation about the shooting and editing of cum shots that a lot of the male talent, even experienced male talent with hundreds of scenes under their belt, prefer or indeed are only able to pull off a cumshot in a reasonable period of time by jerking it themselves rater than having the girls suck or stroke it off. Click to expand That's quite understandable. I'd rather see the girl helping things along but it's not that big a deal. It only becomes annoying when the guy is just standing there for what seems like an eternity when a simple edit could correct the flow of the scene. With me I don't have much problem with a guy doing pretty much anything as long as there is some contact with a girl. However when I'm seeing too much of a nude guy in various states of erection for too long by himself it gets weird to me and kills the mood. [Link]
CL Member 108 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 4:27PM However when I'm seeing too much of a nude guy in various states of erection for too long by himself it gets weird to me and kills the mood. Click to expand +1 "Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man" [Link]
UKDave Member Taryn Thomas - Born For Porn 134 Posts 1/06	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 5:04PM Kensington Chapp wrote: mind-cock connection that allows a certain control over the load-blowing trajectory, oh-so-satisfying sight of seeing the wad of cock-yoghurt whip through the air in a poetic motion. Click to expand Poetry in motion no doubt. I couldn't have said it better myself. I think most of us would rather see the girl pull the guy off. We are all waiting for the great facial, no doubt the man can do it better himself, but I think maybe the guy & girl could discuss this beforehand, how the guy would need her to do it for maximum effect. Of course, you only get one shot at it so there is a risk of it going wrong. My favourite type of facial would be for one girl to wank it over another girls face, I'm sure with communication that could be done right. [Link]
Cumwhipper Senior Member 4050 Posts 3/04	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 5:50PM Funny thread! I really don't give a damn about jerk-to-pop, as long as it doesn't go on for minutes (and yes, I've seen that too, and it is ridiculous). With all the crap you see making it into the final cut of way too many scenes, jerk-to-pop is pretty far down on my own personal list of annoyances. Cell phones going off during scenes? Of course. During a blowbang, guys going to pick up their clothes after dropping their load and walking BEHIND the girl as she readies for the next load. Yup! Editors (or cameramen) cutting away from an extremely hot sequence. You betcha. Oh, the humanity! There is so much bad porn out there it's crazy. If they could get rid of 25% of this kind of nonsense by just paying attention to details and talking through the sequences with all the performers beforehand, I'd take that over eliminating jerk-to-pop in a heartbeat. [Link]
loz Member UK 134 Posts 1/05	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 6:11PM It's odd - I too hate the 'close up of guys cum-face' shot - as a heterosexual male that is the LAST thing I want to see when I'm whacking off myself - but I really have noticed this drop off in the last few years worth of films I've been watching. Maybe I've been lucky? :) [Link]
Luvvy Duvvy Deactivated User 228 Posts 5/04	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 7:27PM The scene from Nice Rack with Michelle Wild was terrible, the guy giving five knuckle shuffle for about 20 minutes. [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 7:38PM 20 Minutes! Poor girl. I think in those scenarios the director should use the pop up thought bubble. "Why is it taking you so long? I'm Michelle Wild for fuck sakes!" Edited by - Johnothan Pedak on 8/12/2007 7:39:08 PM [Link]
Cumwhipper Senior Member 4050 Posts 3/04	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 7:42PM BigBobxxx wrote: I just watched Hand to Mouth #4 last night, and was thoroughly aroused. It is so much more exciting to have the girls finishing the guys off! So, whatever extra effort(s) are involved, I salute Pat, 3rd Degree and the talent involved for taking the time to make a superior product Click to expand +100! I just purchased this one myself - some extremely good scenes, including the Gina Lynn ballbuster. [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 8:13PM The Gina Lynn scene is unpossibly hot. [Link]

CL Member 108 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 9:02PM The Hand to Mouth and Head Case vids are exactly what should be the new trend. The girl making the guy cum to completion, instead of they guy jacking off at the end, as if the girl couldn't get him off. "Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man" Edited by - CL on 8/13/2007 4:06:17 PM [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:59PM What is this "Hand to Mouth" flick people keep talking about here? I thought "The Pros" had already declared that kind of film was impossible to make. How do I know you guys aren't lying? Please list some of the films you have made to prove you know what you're talking about. Oh, the nurse is telling me it's time to go back to my room. Talk to you guys later. [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 5:27PM Regarding Jim Gunn's last post: Imho, the above explains everything that is robotic and contrived in gonzo porn today mod: quote removed - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/13/2007 8:04:17 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 1:49AM CL wrote: Right when the money shot scene is about to commence, why do they always have to show the guy jacking off. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT! I would expect that shit in gay porn not straight porn. Click to expand Exactly what is gay about a man jacking off onto a girl's face or into a girls mouth? I really don't get it. [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 8:27AM I'd give up my left nut to be able jack off in front of a beautiful girl's face. "Where should we put all this cum?" -Jules Jordan [Link]
BobArctor Member 276 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 17 2007 : 5:37PM The self-jacking pop doesn't bother me--I do understand that the male talent has got to cum on cue. Much of the time the embrace of one's own hand is the only thing that can get that done. If the guy goes a little longer before the pop that's okay--it allows for nasty cum talk by the female talent. One of my fav scenes is the 3-way with Dee in Sin-a-Matic 3. Voyeur and Rob take forever, but, eyes closed, she silently frigs herself with an inspired fury as she waits, a huge turn-on in and of itself. I just don't want to see the guy's face. Keep the focus on the female. Always, always keep the focus on the female... [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 18 2007 : 12:01AM I could understand this complaint if the view was 95% jerkoff, 5% girl. [Link]
Orthocyclen Member 40 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 2 2007 : 12:50PM Hello. It's my first post here so go easy on me. I don't think self-jerking is necessarily gay, but it is one of the worst turn-offs/pet peeves of mine in porn. Even with good explanations, I still don't like it. It's nothing like the sexual experiences I've had. I honestly believe one of the worst things in the world is when a girl is doing the sucking/jerking.....and the guy takes over the very last second and jerks himself off. See just about every Cumfiesta scene. But like everything in the porn world, you can find a way to get your fix. I'm glad that series like "Head Case" and "Hand To Mouth" are out there for guys like us who love seeing the girl make his man explode the load. And to make another point, this is why I'm starting to watch more Euro porn. I love it when girls stroke the guy to completion, and I love hot girls in lingerie (garter belts, stockings, and what not). That's why I dig Marc Dorcel productions like Pornochic. Compare Katsumi or Monica Sweetheart between an American production and a European production. In an American production you're more likely to find Katsumi wearing fucked up makeup, ugly clothing gear, and guys self-jerking themselves all over her at the end of a scene. In a European production, she's wearing hot lingerie and stroking guys to completion. Not necessarily the rule, but it's hard to argue with the likelihood of what happens depending on whether it's Euro or American porn. Having said all that, three of my favorite porn stars (minus "amateurs" like Wifey and Heather) happen to have the best handjob/blowjob finishes in the business: Aurora Snow, Jenna Haze, and Charlie. Is it any coincidence they're also some of the most popular blowjob artists? Aurora and Jenna have this hand twist/corkscrew motion that absolutely drives me wild. I got my gf to do it, and it's an intense orgasm. Sadly, I lament the fact Aurora no longer does her handtwist thing anymore. [Link]
night_lick Member 196 Posts 7/06	Posted - Sep 2 2007 : 1:21PM Loraine wrote: Oh you're a bunch of selfish pricks. What about me and my needs, huh? It's all about you. And you. And you. The jerking is the best bit. Click to expand The only way to eliminate this is to have 2 cameras on the cum shot. One on the man jerking and the another on the woman shaking, moaning out of control. You choose the finish. [Link]