Men,especially older men 40-50 and over,are not pretty and sensuous,therefore they hate men who become sexually aroused while viewing legal porn of pretty and sensuous,when men have that every right to find them to be what they are.Why?Because thats what they are,arent they?Throw in fact that men have intercourse strictly for sex,and women have it strictly for pregnancy or payment
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All of that is false.
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Is this another person that thinks a woman's clitoris is inside her cun 6 or 8" deep? Women dont reach orgasm by intercourse, their clitoral area needs proper contact and wetness, a guy's mouth(wet cun) or another wet cun'n'butt wins in that department. You left out the last sentence, and this is all that is needed to prove all what i have said is true- JUST ASK bruce willis in the movie armaggeddon as he chased down his daughter's boyfriend with a shot gun. Edited by - doug v on 9/12/2016 7:10:12 PM Edited by - doug v on 11/12/2016 9:11:48 AM
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^ I had forgotten that Armageddon was a documentary.
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Posted - Sep 12 2016 : 9:06PM
Ok so my cousin emailed that very well respected ebay adult store informing them that MH and JM dvd has been obtained by canada customs to determine obsenity and asked how often does this happen and they replied,"This is the first time this happened for us as a seller. Max Hardcore is known for some out of ordinary porn but that was a USA version and not European versions. This has never happened before to none of our Canadian buyers." SO whats gong on? ANY CHANCE he has been unrightfully targetted by canada customs based on the number of porn boxes he ordered or for another unknown reason,if so they are not treating him with equality and may be PREJUDICE(update-5 dvds have been detained so far). HERES SOME OF the second email he received from that ebay store/seller-"We never had a problem with Canada ever, and we've been a seller on ebay for many years." Edited by - doug v on 9/13/2016 1:27:36 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/20/2016 8:43:41 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/20/2016 9:37:37 PM Edited by - do Edited by - doug v on 10/13/2016 11:23:09 AM
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Posted - Sep 13 2016 : 12:25PM
^^He's saying that they're not "pretty", unlike barely legal female pornstars. Older men are "especially" not pretty to our OP because, I suppose, males become more masculinized (ie. unpretty) as they age.
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Posted - Sep 13 2016 : 3:16PM
Sorry that i was a bit forward and somewhat aggressive about this topic, but my cousin has 1 last question. This respected ebay store also sells The violation of...(JM lesbian gang bang series) and Lesbian bukkake any of those JM series might be obscene or not admissible into canada? The ebay store did say "we never had any problems with Canada." One thing for certain, if can. customs obtain those kinds of dvds for determination, shouldn't they do this for everyone? They certainly should. If they target whoever they feel like but not the rest then theyre being prejudice and maby even hateful towards that individual and are actually breaking the law.UPDATE-They or maby the same customs officer has detained 5 dvds so far. Will update later. Edited by - doug v on 11/9/2016 3:06:30 PM
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Posted - Sep 13 2016 : 4:51PM
I know people who have ordered JM stuff like Ashley Blue's Girlvert into Canada no problem. I ordered a DVD of WATERPOWER/FEMMES DE SADE and it got into Canada as well. You may still get the JM DVD in the mail, it would just be delayed while they send it off for 'review.' I wonder what they made of DOMINATRIX WITHOUT MERCY? Edited by - BlackSix on 9/13/2016 6:09:28 PM
Doug V, please stop editing this thread just to bump it back up.
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Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 3:02PM
UPDATE- Well my cousin told me of the 5 dvds detained by canada customs, he recieved 4, but 1 dvd from JM productions was considered obscene and the "importation into canada is prohibited under tariff item 9899, classified as, description and/or depiction- sex with pain, sexual assault." (he never saw the dvd but its just acting and it is legal in great'ol USA). He wants to know if such a dvd that is deemed obscene and prohibited TO IMPORT into canada may be LEGAL TO POSSESS in canada? If so then he may appeal their decision with the defense that if its legal to own in canada then it should be legal to be imported into canada or there would be hypocrisy within the law---the law saying, "yes it CAN BE in canada but it CANNOT ENTER into canada." he wants to appeal their decision or in 90 days the dvd will be dusted. Edited by - doug v on 11/9/2016 10:35:44 PM
Existing material, be it porn or ivory, is sometimes 'grandfathered' in order to avoid legal complications. Unless your cousin is hell bent on wasting his money, I would advise him to drop the matter.
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Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 4:19PM
I dont really fully understand your reply. Child porn is illegal in canada,but is obscene porn thats legal in USA illegal to own in Canada? His appeal to the Prohibited department in Canada by letter is free, which would be, "if the dvd is legal to possess in canada then it should be legal to enter into canada or its hypocrisy." His 2nd defense may be,"if its a legal sexual act between adults then you cannot deem it illegal as a recording or its hypocrisy". Edited by - doug v on 11/10/2016 3:05:13 PM
about an hour, why? he would never smuggle porn by car or by mail. Edited by - doug v on 11/9/2016 8:51:22 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 1:25AM
I admire you and your cousin having such a close relationship that you can discuss your mutual interests in degrading and rough porn. it is also cool that he called you for help as most people keep such things a secret. This really is not a battle worth pursuing. Customs agents in most countries have discretionary powers and are not a court of law. One group of agents may let it all through, while others may find it obscene and refuse it. Obscene material is a matter of perspective and is not able to be so specifically defined in the legal code. A customs agent who consumes porn in his/her personal life may see your dvd covers and go "meh" and let it go. Someone else may be deeply religious and think masturbation is a sin, and see the dvds and go "obscene material" and stop it. You should be happy you got 4 of them through. So you lost one, eat the 20 bucks or whatever it cost and move on. You should also consider VOD or digital downloads. I just looked to help your cousin out and it turns out JM Productions have digital downloads for a lot of their product. If you MUST have DVD's for some reason, drive to the USA, buy them.. throw out the cases and box covers, and put them into a CD wallet with a bunch of other CD's. The likely hood of them getting found is minimal to none. You are not breaking any laws by doing that. If they happen to randomly search your CD wallet, and find them... then it is no worry other than if the agent thinks it is obscene and takes it from you. (which they won't because there is no cover to see the content..... your DVD's were seized based on someone not liking the box covers) Edited by - A_Fan on 11/10/2016 1:35:25 AM
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Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 7:35AM
^We dont like rough porn,(and no one should ever feel pain during sex),we just like seeing different females in different positions and different camera angles showing off all their lust.And we the people dont need canada customs unrightfully detaining porn dvds based on their personel beliefs and opinion of what is obscene.In porn if theyre consenting adults engaging in legal sexual acts that people can do at home and no one is being harmed then it shouldnt be canada custom's concern.If anyone finds a movie,porn or certain porn(legal adult sexual play no one harmed) to be obscene, dont watch it,thats why theres a rating system so you could choose.QU-My cousin wants to buy more porn but will not buy any that may be obscene in Canada, if by chance Canada customs find more dvds(thats legal in USA) to be obscene,and this keeps on happening through the years,what trouble can my cousin get into?Will he be listed as an obscene buyer on their computer system,even a possible arrest if this happens like 20 times? Edited by - doug v on 11/12/2016 1:34:18 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 1:26PM
Well, it is their concern and has been and will be for a long time into the future. What I would suggest is you and your cousin work your way into politics. If you both can run on a platform of eliminating border controls on pornography, and you get enough support, perhaps you can work on getting the laws changed. Unless the law is changed through legislation, I am not sure you have much else you can do at this point. Many of us who used to order stuff in the mail internationally have moved onto digital and there are no more concerns about customs agents opening our packages. It was part of the cost of buying porn that maybe your package shows up and it has been opened and one of your VHS or DVD are missing. Just the way it was. Since you won't get digital downloads or use some of the other suggestions to get around these inspections, you just have to live with it. and like it or not, most people would see Max Hardcore and many JM titles as "rough porn" and interpret the laws to their discretion. In the US Max went to jail for it, and it is all based on interpretation. Believe it or not, it is hard for a lot of people to fathom a woman would willingly have 100 mopes cum on her face or dress up like a 12 year old and have an old man piss on her and make her puke (even for a paycheck) and therefore think she is forced, abused, or something else beyond just adults doing their thing. People see these box covers and worry someone is being harmed or exploited. All the best in your quest. PS - as to your question about legality... no, you are not listed in any "obscene porn buyer database" and subject to arrest. Unless the porn is actually illegal (child, beast, etc) nothing happens other than you lose it. I had a few things taken back in the late 90s to mid 2000s when I was ordering VHS and DVD (I am also in Canada), and nobody knows about it and no troubles for me at the border . THey just take it and send you the rest of your pack and file the paperwork and life goes on. I can't even recall what titles they were, back then I was ordering gonzo mostly from Anabolic, Diabolic, Red Light, companies like that. I seem to remember I had some fisting stuff seized that I ordered from Europe once (and they were stupid expensive back then, a hard lesson). I do remember one where I ordered two gangbang girl titles and the customs opened my package and took one, and sent the other to me.... :) I found that funny as they were basically the same thing. Edited by - A_Fan on 11/10/2016 1:40:22 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 6:58PM
Thanks for your reply, google about M H, i think theyre Euro versions youre describing and M H claims no one was forced or abused, they all freely participated. Is Canada Customs determination correct claiming that JM Prod. USA version dvd from one of their series shows depictions (acting) of sexual assault and sex with pain? It shouldnt be one's opinion, it has to be for a fact. SO ITS LEGAL in USA to buy dvds that show acting of sexual assault and sex with pain? I and my cousin dont search for content like that, im wondering if that Can.Customs officer is mistaken. So if this is true then in USA its legal to buy a series from JM Prod. that show (acting) of sexual assault? DO ANY JM series of dvds actually show this or they do not? Can someone please answer? If in USA its been proven theres no JM production series that show acting of sexual assault based on a reason then Can.Customs is incorrect to render such a decision based on opinion, it should be based on fact. Edited by - doug v on 11/10/2016 8:17:12 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 9:41PM
doug you are not getting the message about how borders work Border checks, inspections, package openings, etc are not courts of law. They are interpreted on the spot decisions by agents and that is why things are not 100% the same in every situation. If you recall my story about two gangbang girl tapes... on was seized and the other was sent to my door. Both had similar content and similar box covers. That is how border controls work. Its the same as if one agent smirks when smelling pot and sending you through and another one pulls you over and tears your car apart. They have to make discretionary decisions with every single person and package that attempts to enter the country. Also, packages are opened randomly or if it fits a profile they are seeking, they don't open everything. So often you will order your porn and it will show up intact. So, yes, they can "make mistakes" and seize something they shouldn't or search the car of someone they didn't have cause to, etc. You can take your grievance to court if you have suffered damages as a result. Like I said, get active and change the laws so porn can not be seized by border officials. Or, get a lawyer and take your case to court. You can file a claim that your merchandise was improperly seized and make your arguments in front of a judge and if you have a good legal case, perhaps you can get your DVD back. You are correct that discretionary decisions are not facts, nor are they the same for everyone. However, like I said, that is how border controls are. The agents do not have time to contact your legal team and setup a court date and get you in front of a judge and all the costs associated with that. They don't get warrants to search your car or open your package like the police would out in the country. Alternatively, you could seek out methods to avoid this hassle such as going digital downloads, watching VOD, etc. Nothing has been "proven" about JM productions. As far as I know, they have not been taken to court for their content and subject to a rigorous review by the legal system. Nobody has decided to go after them for obscenity so you can conclude that the US system is comfortable with their product being sold; or at the very least they have not motivated any prosecutors to invest resources in shutting them down. If they have been charged and convicted, I am not aware of this and I apologize if I am wrong. Thanks for the discussion, good luck to your and your cousin in the fight for your lost DVD. Edited by - A_Fan on 11/10/2016 9:55:22 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 11 2016 : 3:50PM
Actually JM Productions were taken to federal court for obscenity under Bush Jr. and got off on a technicality that had nothing to do with the content. A number of distributors after that case deem to have stopped carrying JM, perhaps not only due to the risk but also because during their case JM sold their distributor down the river so I doubt many wanted to continue working with them. The US laws are so weird their material could be declared 'obscene' tomorrow if a case was brought and they lost. Sounds like the DVD was pulled due to depictions of sexual violence. The violence doesn't have to be real or be an actual sexual assualt under the law to be blocked.
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Posted - Nov 11 2016 : 10:36PM
Why anyone in this digital age would order porn on physical media to be shipped across international borders is beyond me. We had no choice in the past, but now most places offer digital downloads, online "lockers', VOD, and so on. Heck, you can download it and burn it to a DVD if you really want a physical copy. There is no reason to even consider having your porn run through a border agent anymore. Edited by - A_Fan on 11/11/2016 10:37:16 PM
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 6:36AM
You have a good point but yes its best to have a physical copy on dvd, what if your computer is stolen or you dont want to repair it or its beyond repairing, theres goes all your downloads, and besides that, buying dvds directly from the porn companies always gives you the best sharpest quality.
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 7:02AM
About anime porn thats legal in Japan,i dont buy any but Canada customs actually labels it child porn and arrest people who have it on their devices.Does Can.customs want to greatly reduce tourists that travel to Canada for fear they may have something on their devices they didnt know about or didnt know was illegal? The reality is(yea Canada needs a big reality check from USA),that is not and cannot be child pornography because there are no actual children or minors in the footage, it is a cartoon, not real, they have it for their private viewing and do not show it to minors or children,so no child or minor needs protecting or is a victim in that regard.A person who may have that on their device may get 1 year in prison, it makes you wonder who the real victim is.If the content is not allowed entry into Canada wether on device or disc,export it back or simply delete or destroy it at expense of importer(and exporter),but sending one to prison who never harmed anyone in reality is cruel and unusual punishment. Edited by - doug v on 11/12/2016 12:44:30 PM
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 10:07AM
Your cousin seems really concerned about CP. You seem to be using anime and lolicon interchangably. Lolicon is a very small niche of anime and manga.
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 12:58PM
this thread is pretty well about to expose to the world wide web the (sometimes) unjust and unfair conduct of Canada customs with their opinions and decision making when regarding totally legal adult porn made in the United States(or elsewhere, depending) when entering into Canada and that just because they have the power doesnt mean they are always right,correct,just or fair, and that they need to closely reexamine USA's policies on legal adult porn because USA knows what theyre doing. Besides if Canada equalled USA's policies on porn then there could be far more Canadian adult sites popping up and selling US and even Canadian porn, then my cousin and i wouldnt have to buy from US sites. How many Canadian adult sites are there that have a large selection of adult dvds, like 2? Edited by - doug v on 11/12/2016 1:41:44 PM
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 4:58PM
I don't know how much you travel doug, but Canadian Customs are actually far more lenient than many countries in the world. They are doing what they have to do to keep the bad stuff out and YES, that means there is collateral damage and you lose some product. Very little legal porn is seized anymore; it is just stuff with box covers that illicit emotions of abuse in the minds of the agents. 15+ years ago when gozno really started to show the sex acts on the box covers (up until the mid 90's almost every box cover would have modelling shots and not penetration or cumshots), even simple DP's were getting seized sometimes. Again you got 4 of 5... that is pretty good. Us older porn consumers in Canada were used to ordering and sometimes we would be missing a piece. It was part of the game. Just keep ordering your DVDS and if you lose one her or there just consider it a cost of doing business. It isn't going to change. As for you concern about quality when getting an original DVD.... digital downloads can be in very high res (better than you can put on a standard DVD in many instances) and you can burn them to DVDs and Blu Rays and they look magnificent. You really should consider that. I went digital many years ago and never have to worry about border agents, or people finding my stash, etc. Edited by - A_Fan on 11/12/2016 5:02:32 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 5:01PM
As far as I know no pornographer has been jailed in Canada in modern times. That isn't true in the US where they not only jailed Max Hardcore but drove Rob Black into bankruptcy and tried to jail John Stagliano. Not to mention the years of legal harrassment of Adam & Eve and many others. So the US is hardly some oasis for pornographers. It was only under Janet Reno, who just passed away, that pornographers for adults were left alone by the federal government.
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Posted - Nov 13 2016 : 3:20PM
It shouldnt be a Canada custom agent's opinion that just because an 18 or 25 year old young woman is in pigtails, mini skirt and acting silly that shes being depicted as a minor and that it may be child porn when in fact its not possible that it can be, and shes being depicted as her age acting silly. Thats why they should use fact instead of one's opinion. My cousin plans to buy more porn thats LEGAL in USA and if the dvds happen to show this without him knowing, would Can.customs consider this to be child porn and would that kind of LEGAL IN USA porn actually result in an arrest? i dont think it can...ok back to my videogame, Bioshock 2, bye. Edited by - doug v on 11/13/2016 9:48:18 PM
You do realize that is how it is in the U.S. too, right? What is legal today could be illegal tomorrow due to an obscenity lawsuit.
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Posted - Nov 13 2016 : 10:24PM
I don't think doug is listening or wishing to understand how border controls work. Every decision they make is an on the spot opinion from a human being who may not always get it right. That is why you can take action in the court system if you feel they have caused you damages. Border officials are not judges and not courts of law, they don't have time for due process or rigorous examination. THey make judgement calls. Although doug seems to be going back to this thing of wanting to see adult women dressed up to look like underage girls. That will always be a sticky area because of the emotions it brings up. Some would say that a person who wants to see a 19 year old look like an 11 year old is just looking for a way to get around child porn laws and still get their jollies. These motions factor into decisions when agents open the package and see Max Hardcore peeing on a girl who is dressed up to look 11 years old. doug, get a lawyer, and take action to argue the laws and get your product back. That is your recourse and if you are right as you think you are, you will get your DVD back. And for fucks sakes doug, if your mystery cousin wants to impornt porn that may have questionable boxcovers, go digital and download and burn them at home. Edited by - A_Fan on 11/13/2016 10:27:50 PM
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Posted - Nov 13 2016 : 10:44PM
^Nah, were talking about porn scenes of young women 18 to 25 that are in pigtails and miniskirts that appear often in porn dvds on every US adult site. What if by chance my cousin buys some of these titles thats legal in US but canada customs determine theyre being depicted as a minor, would they label it child porn and would that result in an arrest, So my cousin can never again buy a dvd with a young woman in pigtails and miniskirt in front or back cover when millions of Canadians do? You do know child porn is illegal, right?, and can.customs can declare them as such. Or would this be categorised as something other than cp or in a different class. If real child porn dvds of children were stopped at the border, this would result in an arrest, you do know that or you don't? You did say subject to arrest if its cp-Edited by - doug v on 11/14/2016 1:25:17 AM
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Posted - Nov 14 2016 : 12:29AM
You said that the video was held back due to 'sexual violence' but go on and on about CP, why? That isn't even the reason the DVD was pulled by Customs.
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Posted - Nov 14 2016 : 12:58AM
We do want to buy new porn including in the future from different porn studios in USA, but need to know if we should avoid all dvds that show young women in pigtails and mini skirts, cheerleading outfits, the word teen in the title, young women who are flat chested, etc, when the real world doesn't avoid any of that. Canada needs a reality check man. Women often wear mini skirts and in pigtails, are flat chested, etc, its a joke, just because some customs agent may be hating on men who watch that (and the men in the porn), certainly they don't hate the women who are the ones responsible and guilty for choosing to appear in porn and do all that, and then some. Edited by - doug v on 11/14/2016 8:22:45 PM
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Posted - Nov 14 2016 : 2:26AM
doug.. you keep asking the same questions over and over again I am canadian, I used to order internationally regularly from the mid 90s up until a few years back when things became commonly available for download and most producers went to membership sites for their scenes. I have had stuff siezed from my packages. I know what I am talking about when I give you this advice. having your dvds seized at the border does not mean you are committing a criminal offense, you will not be arrested or charged. If they were actual children, of course you will be arrested. A particular agent may see a dvd cover with women dressed as young girls, or subject to physical acts, and deem it obscene and seize it. This does not make you a criminal.. it just means they won't let you import it. There is no law that specifically says a specific DVD or sex act is banned... they define child porn, beastiality, snuff, and things of that nature... commercial porn is a discretionary issue at the border. Another agent that looks at your next order may do nothing! again, border control are not courts... they make instant decisions based on their own discretion.... they are human, bias plays a part, and sometimes they will get it wrong. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR AND PLEASE TRY TO READ THIS.... You can order that lost DVD again, and it may end up at your door. YOUR DVD WAS NOT SEIZED BECAUSE THEY DEEMED IT MIGHT BE CHILD PORN. IF THEY SUSPECTED YOUR COUSIN , HE WOULD HAVE HAD POLICE AT HIS DOOR WITH A WARRANT SEARCHING HIS COMPUTERS. AN AGENT USED THEIR DISCRETION, NOTHING MORE. You can not seem to understand how the borders work and I am sad we have to explain this 100 times. You have three options here... 1 - take them to court over your lost DVD, explain your case, and you have a very good chance of retrieving it 2 - go digital and never worry about a border agent again 3 - accept that seizures are part of the cost of ordering internationally, and keep ordering your legal porn from the US. Most packages will not be searched. Those that do, most of your stuff will make it to your door. Accept the loss once in a while as the cost of doing things this way If you won't pursue one of those three, and you keep asking the same question over and over, then you are beyond help at this stage. Edited by - A_Fan on 11/14/2016 2:34:18 AM
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