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Edited by - melissalauren on 1/1/2006 7:43:43 PM

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Twisted Tommy does Eastern Euro movies. Check them out, they are pretty hot.

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Based on last year's review's, Jules Jordan, Francesca Le' and TT Boy are the only directors with 3 titles that each have a rating greater than 9.0, yet none of them are on your list for director of the year. Granted, you review 50 TT Boy titles, which would give his titles an advantage. But you only reviewed 9 titles each of Jules' and Francesca's, with 3 from each of them being in your top 30 or so (It hard to get a quick count of the totel because of duplicates across the different lists).

Personally, I think that the Director of the Year should really go to directors who put out the best titles of the year, not the ones with the highest overall average. You're rewarding someone for consistantly being above average rather than rewarding directors who take risks and sometimes hit one out of the park and sometimes strike out.

I'm watching porn for the guy (or girl) who hits the home runs every 2 or 3 at bats. Not they guy who hits singles and doubles all of the time.

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It is for the body of work for the year and I am looking for a 'home run' all the time, not just most of the time.

Seems fair to me.

What is your methodology suggestion?

Thanks,
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They 3 people leading the league in home runs (which I'm equating to reviews scores > 9) aren't even on the ballot.

Maybe it should be a hybrid methodology. Use an average for a part of the nominations and then look the percentage of movies reviewed for given directors that appear in the top 5 or 10% of the movies that you reviewed for the year.

Just using the numbers using the directors with 7 or more titles reviewed, you have 938 reviews this year. From what I saw, there were about 30 titles with scores > 9.0, which is about 3% of the titles that you reviewed. You reviewed 9 titles each from Jules & Francesca. Both of them had 33.3% of the titles that you reviewed of theirs fall in the top 3% of all titles that you reviewed this year. I don't see how people who do that can be excluded from a list of potential Directors of the Year.

The only director, who made the list, that's even close to that is Denis Marti at 28% (2 of 7). I just think that there should be greater consideration to the people at the absolute top level a significant percentage of the time, regardless of the overall average.

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JJ has won Director of the Year many times.
Mike John has won a DVD of the Year award.

Sorry, neither made it this year.

If it were Most Popular award, both would be nominated.

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Mike John didn't do enough releases that I reviewed. He has promised to send me DVDs for review and the next one he sends me will be the first one! I don't go and rent DVDs anymore.

JJ didn't make the top 10 in points.

I don't understand your point?

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Yet another reason why I tend to ignore polls like this. You can't tell me that these guys shouldn't at least be considered in the running. I'd be happy to produce a list of Jake Malone movies from '05 that really rocked (and probably did quite well at the box office too).

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That's why Jules Jordan isn't on the list for Director of the Year. The 4 titles that he received an 8.5 for really had overall ratings of 9.01, 9.03, 9.05 and 9.04.

I realize that they're Den's awards and he makes the rules. But when the result of those rules produces a list of nominees for Director of the Year like the one above, then whole thing seem like a waste of time to me.

Yeah, there are some directors on that list who actually belong there. But, IMO, they are in the minority.

As far as I'm concerned, voting in Den's poll constitutes agreement with the "rules". I don't. Therefore, I won't be voting.

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I can't remember the choking and slapping in any JJ flick being that significantly worse than in a Brandon Iron title, though.

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I was really wondering if Evil Angel had done anything to seriously piss Den off this year. Apparently, it might just be that girls get choked in our movies.

On a personal level, I'm very sad that Den feels so badly about choking. On his site, he listed me as Best New Female in 1996. Yet, in over half of the movies I'm in, I get choked. I understand his rule wasn't made back then, but it makes me feel that he probably didn't enjoy watching my scenes, or was bothered when watching them. Thing is, the reason I was choked in so many of those scenes (mind you, choking was not nearly as predominant way back then) was because before the scene, when the guy and I would be talking about our likes and dislikes, I would tell him that among my likes were kissing, anal, slapping my face once I was really turned on, and yes-- a hand on my through while I was getting fucked.

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I just want to say I think your list is full of quality directors man. I think some of the people giving you a hard time would only be happy if your list was all Evil Angel and RLD directors....

Belladonna
Erik Everhard
Jake Malone
Joey Silvera
Jonni Darkko
Jules Jordan
Justin Slayer
Manuel Ferrara
Mike John
Vince Voyeur

Might as well call it the battle of RLD/Evil Angel award.

I think a gonzo director that puts out 5 or 6 sub par or a bunch of the exact same titles in a year shouldn't be an automatic best director choice simply because of their past directing, their past spectacular performing, or the fact the company they work for is huge.

Seeing people/directors like Jewel De'Nyle, Chris Streams, Sean Michaels, Denis Marti, and Tim Von Swine get noms is great to me.

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These are Den's awards, he can make up whatever rules he likes.
There are names on the list that are a little odd, for me.

Then again, suggesting that directors like Jules or Joey or Mike John don't belong on such a list is just as bizarre. I don't think Evil and RLD (until recently) necessarily have a lock on the best directors in porn, but they come pretty damn close, and it's probably no coincidence that the "own your product" policies (again, RLD less so, especially now) are what set both companys' business models apart from the rest of the competition.

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Of course I have the "polls" and then the awards. The polls is called a Fan Fave for a reason. It's a popularity contest. Hopefully the voters pick people who deserve to win. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone who argues with that poll is just arguing "favorites." The awards on the other hand are more open for discussion and that's in another thread. There were some great points raised and some that were just snippy. You take the good with the bad and in the end, the discussion is half the fun.

The point of any list like this is for discussion and recognition. Those on Den's list should be proud that they made it. A discussion about, and disagreement with, any such list is fun. On the other hand when it gets personal and snippy then it's just pathetic and sad.

Den has his system, I have mine and yes Ramsey you have your own subjective view of porn.

All porn is subjective.

Personally I like Den's no choking policy. This year I think I will just toss aside any DVDs that have squir...aww hell, let's be honest, pissing, cream pies, fake gagging noises and a few select male peerformers who shall remain nameless.

It is also limited to what we see. I haven't seen a Bobbi Rinaldi movie since Cherry Mirage left that company. On the other hand, I've seen a lot more Mike John movies than Den has.

Good work as always Den. I don't have to agree with a list to understand just how difficult it is to compile.

You're the best and always will be.

LATE
Rog

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I prefer to hear what people think, especially from people who disagree.

I hope this discussion can be continued at the ADT Party in Vegas in a few days.

As strong as I feel about this, I also agree that others feel just as strong about their position.

As Rog has said and knows, it's a lot of work and sleepless nights putting these awards things together. Rog does a hell of a good job!

Thanks to all.

Den

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I'd hazard a guess that Den watches and reviews more porn than any individual here. He's got a system. If you think his system is so bad, great. Go out and devise your own system, don't just sit back and crack his.

Happy New Year.

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As for complaints about missing a director in his list: most companies do send him screeners (and rightly so!) and for those who may not: don't complain about not being listed. That is only fair.

As for Jules Jordan, he has made it pretty clear that, if not penalized for choking, his overall rating would be waaaay above most everyone else's.

Den also enjoys making little comments intended to make people think about things. He doesn't have an ounce of hate or animosity in his body. He does this w/o managing to harbor personal feeling against anyone - but again he may like a person but dislike their actions when it is detremental to the overall health of the individual or industry.

Remember, folks, he does this for his love for the industry and does it all on his own. No bribes, no payment for writing his reviews, nothing.

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That last line was supposed to be ironic I hope after what you said above.

Thanks Ramsey, I needed that.

PS: The "voting" on my site was based on nominations made by other people and Slayer was part of that field. So if you could have voted for him. You can complain that Robby and Van were nominated for the other award and not Slayer, but that isn't a voting thing. Sorry I haven't quite jumped on the Slayer bandwagon just yet, but if you keep shaking those pom poms hard enough, I just might see what others have thrust upon him.

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I almost did a "Worst Director of the Year" and oddly enough two people mentioned in this thread would have been up for that one. Just goes to show that everything is subjective when it comes to porn.

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Den has his reasoning for what he does, I consider him a great guy and his site provides lots of usefull info. I do think his list of directors has alot of gaps but....so be it. I find it amusing that one of the nominees was someone who (I believe)blatently called him out on his stance on rough sex....

hope to see you in vegas den!
jules

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I don't need to agree with people to treat them with decency and respect. I realize that doesn't work for everyone, but I can keep trying and hoping.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and have a lovely day.

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p.s.; god bless America.

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I'll just reiterate that these are Den's awards and he can list whoever he wants, even if neither you or Melissa have heard of one of the directors, and that I'd bet good money that Den has seen more porn (probably in one year) than yourself and Melissa combined.

Feel free to make your own set of awards though, if Den's poll (a poll on the internet) incenses you that much. You can even fill all the nom spots with your friends.

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last, if den wants to post his personal picks for awards, then he is leaving himself open to OUR opinion about those picks. so get off your high horse. thats MY opinion. :)

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Melissa Lauren:
I respect your liking what you like sexwise. If you want to do it, do it. I'm glad that you like so called "rough sex" and that it's done with your consent. But doing anything dangerous requires justification and precautions being taken, plain and simple.

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