I bought Un-Natural Sex 10, which is your work I believe, and I have to say that something did disapoint me. I wanted to get a good taste of Brianna Blaze, and on the cover there is a closeup of a pussy and a cock in an ass and its says that its Brianna Blazes pussy, but there is only vaginal sex in the scene. I feel a little ripped off and I would have bought a different Brianna Blaze dvd so I could get an anal scene. It might have been okay, if not for the fact I didnt really like the other scenes or girls. Im not trying to sound like too much of a complainer or criticize the hard work you probably did on the movie, and many probably loved it, but that was a big letdown. thanks
The boxcover was a mistake. For the record, for those who want to know, there are 8 full scenes in Un-Natural Sex 10. The only non-anal scene was the Brianna Blaze double vag scene. I've actually gotten a little bit involved with the boxes to ensure this doesn't happen again. The next Un-Natural #11 will again have 7 scenes, the interview inbetweener and an entire bizarro blowjob scene for DVD extras. But again, in this one, there will be one scene which isn't anal. (Hollie Stevens first double vag). Hey, I can't please everyone.
un-natural sex was one of my favorite series because of the "every girl is an anal sex fiend" theme and the fact that there was anal sex in every scene. i own eight of the first nine!
i'm sure the fans of this series including myself appreciate you getting involved to see that the box covers do not misrepresent the content of the movies inside ... however ...... i for one would much rather see the series stick to being all anal.
Actually in my defense, I did put 8 scenes in the movie which was slotted for only 6 scenes. Originally, I was going to put the Brianna scene as an extra which would've made the 7 key scenes all anal. It was a choice.
For the record, I'm finally pretty much used to the series at this point. I'm shooting for all Double Anal for Un-Natural #12.
I'll always vote for more girls, more scenes. That way, once I FF thru the inevitable 50% of the girls that don;t work for me, I've still got the equivalent of a fully-loaded porno movie. And a really good interstitial blowjob, cumbath or wiggly giggle tease sequence or two can sometimes be hotter than a honey basket stuffed with piping up salamis.
i thought you did a good job with the movie itself, i reviewed it and gave it four and a half stars overall.
also, the additional scenes were a great add on and glad to see ana/dia finally adding something to their dvds besides preview trailers.
you're the director and the movie's content is up to you ... i understand putting the double vaginal scene in there as it does fit the bill of "un-natural sex" ...i just personally buy only anal themed movies and the double vaginal scenes are not for me.
Hello Chico. Sound good with the dap in every scene in Un-natural sex 12, however it would be even better it there was both double vag and double anal in each scene. The best in the series is still number 7 to me, because almost every girl did dpp and dap. I like your work on the series so far though(But that Jayna Oso interwiev was a little too fucked up, and really shouldn't have been included in the movie, only in the extras.) Chris
Chris, sorry to burst it but I've been trying to shoot double anals all week. I've completed scene 4 of Un-Natural Sex #12. And so far, one of the scenes isn't a double anal. I'm not going to let you know who the girl was because you won't believe who I convinced to do the double anal.
There's one problem with double anal especially with new dap girls. It's tough to convince them, but once they are willing, it's tough to pull off especially their first time through.
I tried to shoot Crystal Ray's first double anal but she was really in pain so I stopped it. I flipped it to another video which I hate doing.
On Friday, we all tried to get Melissa Lauren's first dap but again she was in pain. It's a delicate balance. When a girl can't pull it off cause of the perceived or real pain, you have to coax them otherwise the energy of the rest of the scene dies.
I'm not in Europe where the girls practically are born with gapes.
But the tally so far for Un-Natural Sex 12 is 3 D.A.P. and one D.P. I'm trying to squeeze two more D.A.P. as long as the girls are available.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 9 2004 : 6:01AM
Hey Chico,
Please put the failed daps somewhere in the DVD extras so at least we get to see the partial dap of Crystal Ray and Melissa Lauren (and without the Diabolic logo blocking the scene). Somehow Skeet the magician was able to catch Crystal Ray in a dap. An all dap UNS will be nice if possible, but the gals need the GOG exercise. Ron the GOG trainer will be willing to provide the exercise in a GOG outlet near you (coming very soon .
Zander69's recommendation notwithstanding, I will put the outtakes on the Behind The Scenes section. All the failed DAPs. But the tally is pretty good so far. I'm going to flip the Crystal Ray scene into another movie. In the meantime, I will put the Melissa scene in. Though the DAP scene failed, her scene with Steve Holmes and John Strong was absolutely gnarly. This girl loves being brutal.
The tally is as follows: Three DAP, One DP, and one combination DoubleVag/D.P with a very fresh new girl. I'm just waiting on the perfect DAP to shoot to finish the movie off and may wait until I get it.
Though I have five lines, I only shoot one series at a time. I really hate to flip a scene to another movie cause the theme changes. My feeling is that if I shoot several movies at the same time, each scene feels the same and I feel like an assembly line factory worker.
With Cal444 gone, I'm gonna edit this one on my own with an editor watching over me in case I fuck up. I did invest in a complete editing system some time ago and it's time to make the plunge. Therefore, I can make the statement that the failed DAP will be in the DVD extras with relative ease.
I recently rented Unnatural sex 11 and Up Your Ass 21. I've gotta say these have to be the best Anabolics i've seen for about 2 years. Not sure who directed Up Your Ass 21 though but Unnatural 11 is FUCKING quality. Top work!
I can't believe I'm up so late. Thanks for your input Sanchez. The director of Up Your Ass 21 is Su.
Regarding the vid cam, I use a VX2000. I was considering upgrading to the VX2100 but I'm going to be tinkering with the new Panasonic 24P this weekend and may go for a full scale camera change. Most of the industry uses the VX2000 though. It's a true workhorse and I recommend it highly to anyone. I may dish mine off to the weasel minions I have surrounding me.
hey Chico, just want to say you did a good job with the Olivia del Rio Scene in 2 on 1 #15, i laughed my ass off when i heard that she doesn´t like Steve Holmes and he is so horny that this is the first time he fucks this "legend" can´t believe she doesn´t like him, he´s such a nice guy....or was it just acting and you told her to say that?
any chance to bring them together in one of your future movies? it was just hilarious and the fucking was great, too :-)
Nah, everything in that scene was pre-planned and choreographed albeit in a spontaneous way. I was just shooting scenes at that point though now SU has taken over directing ranks for 2 on 1. In fact, I think you'll dig her next video. It's pretty perverted.
Not sure if Olivia del Rio is still in the business. Last I heard she was a high paid escort.
To be honest, I'm only relaying what others have told me about Euro girls. The general pattern of the info I've heard is that they fuck 'robotically' but will do anything as scheduled.
I've just scene alot of Euro stuff with Euro girls that I can't pull off with 98% of the girls in America. I guess doing anal, double anal, triple anal, etc is de rigeur in Eastern Europe.
I'm actually going to Hungary in the coming months and can give a full status report while I'm there.
Hi Chico, it sound pretty damn good so far. I'll be looking forward to your next videos. Be sure to give us a full status report while you're in Hungary :-)
No biggie. Wherever I go, I will give a full status report on a daily basis on the web (maybe Lukeford.com?) including pictures.
I particularly am not completely excited about the prospects. I don't know why, but it's just a gut feeling. I have several friends and business partners who'll be in Hungary but I'm not particularly fond of the 'robot sex' that some directors complain about in regards to Eastern European women. However, some of the female talent in America just seems a bit too played out for my tastes. Realistically, just how many times can you see the same girl getting fucked the same way multiple times for every company out there? It becomes an act of repetive redundancy where the director is looking for any angle to make his stuff just a tad bit different than everyone else's. I don't know. Perhaps I doth complaineth too much.
Nah, you speak the truth, El Chico. Maybe you will coax from those Eurobots the juice that makes the sunrise sing and the jism gliimmer like jewels in the morning sun. Not that I would ascribe to you anything so poetically overblown, but you get my drift.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 15 2004 : 2:40PM
Here is my completely unprofessional horndog opinion.
I don't know which directors you are referring to, but I have seen this time and time again. The very same Euro babes giving "robot sex" like performances for certain directors will yet deliver completely different performances for other directors. So tell me, who is to blame? Me thinks that you reap what you sow. Treat a girl like she is a 'robot', and you will get 'robot sex' like performances. Make them feel 'special' (whatever that means), and you are much more likely to get a 'special' performance. Be they American or European.
The European variant of 'robot sex' like performance = the quiet-is-there-anything-happening-at-all variant. The American variant of 'robot sex' like performance = the hyper-active-kill-me-now-you-mother-fucker-there-is-nothing against-overkill variant.
aybesea said: "When did guys in their 40's become middle aged? Sound like nice young guys to me!"
Well, come to think of it Dubya B, you are probably right. But even some pretty great US directors have met their Waterloo in EuroLand. For some reason, it seems like that Holmes&Ferrarra-type guys manage to turn even the chilliest spokesmodels into ferociously quim-quashed fuck kittens, lapping up bowl after bowl of joyously spewed cockseed. What do THEY know that no one else does? Do they know where the magic "fuck kitten" button is?
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 15 2004 : 7:14PM
Can I have some names? Maybe some American directors are doing reasonably well with American girls because the girls can actually understand what they are trying to do, simply because they understand English. Maybe those directors have no interest in adaptating their style to the European 'mentality' — for lack of a better word — and they don't have the patience to make the Euro babes feel comfortable. Speelie can explains this much better than I can, but I am convinced it all has to do with communication on AND off the set. What I have seen time and time again with some American product shot in Budapest and Prague, is that the American crew is more or less relating amongst themselves, excluding the girl, who half the time has trouble understanding what is to be expected of her. Instead of establishing some trust with his female star, the director is much more likely to hang around with his male performers-buddies, with whom he is working week in, week out. The girl is only the next one on line of many more to come. Why waste 'sociable' time on her, right? That is why I like most of the Hungarian and Czech male performers, even though not all of them are top performers. At least the girls can relate to them and sometimes they even seem to be making fun of all the 'crazy' Americans. I believe that is also a big part of the success of both Rocco and Christoph. They have made an effort to learn at least a handful of phrases. And more often than not, they make fun of themselves (certainly Christoph) instead of the girl, so that they can make fun together, instead of at the expense of the girl.
EagleSpirit said: "I am in charge of my own destiny and fate will take me there."
That goes both ways, Walter. Consider the fact that the American shooting or performing is dealing with, among other things, jet-lag, complete culture shock, not being able to understand a word of what's being spoken around him, etc. It's understandable that they would want to hang around people who they can at least have a conversation with.
As far as spending sociable time or establishing trust or having patience, a director has to shoot X number of scenes to make the trip cost effective. If he has to spend time coaxing a performance out of someone, and less scenes are shot as a result, it makes the whole purpose of going fruitless, what with airfare, food and lodging, etc. No matter how much any of us love what we do, the objective is to make money.
That said, I think American performers are just as capable of fucking robotically as Europeans. It depends on the individual. When I go to Europe to shoot, I know going in I'm going to get some good scenes, some not so good. Just like in America!
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 15 2004 : 8:06PM
I completely understand, Tom. But that only makes the result even worse, doesn't it, and by doing so is congruent with what I am saying? Maybe that is the reason why the shooters who are staying in Budapest and Prague come up with better product. They are less tired, feel more at home and can invest in some 'down time' with the girls after the shoot is over. If the girls are interested, that is. I understand from Speelie that some of them are, in specific circumstances.
OTOH, what do I know. I have never been on a set and I have no interest in doing so. What I do know as a porn viewer, is that I pay special attention to what is going on when a Euro babe starts making noice and when an American babe is getting quiet.
skronker said: "That'll be Tarantino's next movie: Kill Cal."
Certainly you have a point Tom but I believe Walter was not so much trying to besmirch American directors but rather to counter this idea that (Eastern) European girls fuck robotically. I suppose another way to look at it is that American girls would maybe act a little differently on-set if a load of Bolivian porn stars/directors turned up and started speaking whatever language Bolivians speak to each other thereby isolating them in a way they are not used to so all they can think is 'I wonder what they are saying and whether I am doing what is wanted'. I know if it was me (I'd need a boob job first, of course) I'd be looking totally non-plussed all the way through the scene!
SNP.
And no, I don't know why I chose Bolivia, I just did.
Of course I could have just waited for Walter to post his own response thereby avoiding looking like I've been swirling in some kind of time vortex for the last fifteen minutes.
SNP. Somewhere swirling in a time vortex (for fifteen minutes).
I'm thinking of some select RLD titles that are pretty inconsistent. Though things have improved in the past year with their Euro-style releases, I still tend to find them the least interesting or exciting.
Anabolic's World Sex Tour series has often been very strong. But I'll vote for Christoph and Rocco as the kings of EuroBabe bonding, with Nacho and Ferrarra and Holmes in close behind them (perhaps as literally as figuratively if you're studying those DP screenshots )
When I talk about the robotic nature of Eastern European girls, it's just the feeling I get when I watch their scenes.
Case in point. Monica Sweetheart, in my mind, is the hottest girl ever to enter porno. I personally think she blows Tera Patrick away. She should be walking down a catwalk modeling the latest fur beret.
However, I can't help when I watch her scenes that she has a clock in her head counting down the end of her scene with her moans. This isn't at all to bag on her. I've seen scenes from other companies where they loop her moaning cause it sounds so monotone.
When I was at Extreme, I've seen Euro girls check their watch during breaks a split second after their DP then start moaning endlessly the minute the scene resumes. It's not fair to lump all Eastern Euro girls together.
Trust me, I ain't as stupid as I look. Not all Eastern Euro girls should be lumped in this category. And I'm well aware that the girls are thinking cash first. Anytime you put chemistry in the mix, a scene will always be better. However, the general feel from the sets I've been in, I've seen the Euro girls look at D.P.s as 'another day on the job'.
Hopefully I'm just flat out wrong when I go to Europe. I hope so. Nope, I'm not going to make them quack like chickens but I just hope I could capture their essence to make them reveal themselves just a bit more than to just see a perfect body and an ass made for dick.
I'm just not looking for the monotone to begin with. Hope hope hope.
I'm late finding this, but Walter alerted me to it, and now I see he's been referencing me.
This is a subject on which I have strong opinions. They begin with the idea that you'll rarely get good scenes by simply pairing two (or more) strangers up, and telling them to fuck. You'll also rarely get good scenes if you have a check list of "acts" to get included. And you'll rarely get good scenes if you use scummy guys.
It seems that every guy, and many of the girls, in porn reads what appears on ADT. I mean no offence to anyone, not in a personal way, but let's be honest. Most women are not going to be turned on by, for example, Brian Surewood. I still recall Mike Stefano's early trips to Europe, and while some girls found "Luciano" exciting, having Surewood as his tagteam partner didn't help. Now, Mike travels with Manuel Ferrara, and suddenly, the girls have two good options, and are more into it.
The "strangers" issue is tougher to deal with, but that's where local guys are useful. The ideal would be a situation like Nacho uses, where he hangs out with the girls off camera, and develops a degree of a relationship with them, so that when the camera does roll, it is more of a situation of friends getting it on. If you can't spend several days partying with the girls, at least try to hire some guys who are known to them, and get them in the mix (such as how many directors mix in Robert Rosenberg, a Czech around whom all the girls are comfortable, as Walter alluded).
And the guys need to show some excitement, to demonstrate that this isn't work, it's fun, even if it IS work. That's why Erik Everhard is so successful on his trips to Europe, he always gives the impression that he's a kid in the porno candy store. He's so excited to be around the Euro girls that his enthusiasm rubs off, and leads to good scenes. I know he's Canadian, but he works out of SoCal and represents "American porn" and his way of shooting in Europe deserves to be more widely copied.
The final issue is the check list. I'm afraid it is a requirement for some companies, even a necessity, since they have established a a track record. The fans of, for example (especially for this thread), A/D, expect plenty of anal play and DP, and would expect to see a lot of such activity, even at the expense of chemistry. But Everhard, in his time there, proved you can have it both ways in movies like Unnatural Sex 8. If the other factors listed above are brought into play, it is possible to minimize the negatives of a check list.
I hope all this is somehow helpful, the essential point remains that you can see the same girls being excited and turned on in certain movies, and dead meat in others, and I've mentioned some ways that seem to aid in achieving the former.
Is that why a good portion of the Euro girls wear watches during their scenes, compared to American girls? I knew there had to be a reason why...You know, if only someone would write a book, telling you about what it's like to visit a foreign country, what the food is like and how to read a menu, about the money, some of the customs, what hours shops are open, etc., etc. But what to call such a tome? A tourist guidebook?
Tom, you and every American knows that Barnes & Noble, or Borders, has shelves stocked with guidebooks that explain all this stuff. Myself, I can read a menu in French, German, Norwegian, Swedish, and a bit of Flemish. Well, at least for me, the worst thing is to be hungry and not know what the heck to order in a restaurant*
I've been on business trips to Europe, and it's not easy dealing with all the different stuff. And making a porn movie must be even harder, especially with actresses who don't speak much English. It seems to me the only way to deal with this is to have a European actor or actress always around whose English is really good.
Next time you watch a movie with Holmes in it, watch the BTS footage. You'll often see him talking nicely to the woman/women, kissing them, joking with them, normal stuff like that. It's not magic, not by a long shot. Though, apparently, this "secret" is unknown to a lot of porn guys, who prefer to joke around like they're in a locker room, usually ignoring the women whenever the camera is off . Even where there's 2 men and the director in the BTS, 9 times out of 10, the woman is sitting next to Holmes. These actresses aren't stupid.
* Because they serve way more rabbit meat in Europe , I have made it a point to learn the word for rabbit in different languages: lapin, conijn, kanin, kaninchen, hase, coniglio, conejo, and so on.
I jumped into this thread a little late but the last project I did at the shop was 2 on 1 # whatever, but I have to say I was impressed by the direction Su was going in. She's really comming into her own. Expect her to be a force to be reckoned with in the future. Being female she's got a different perspective that I think will serve her well.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 4:03PM
Not "conijn", but "konijn", Renee. Well, if you are referring to the Flemish translation, which is of course nothing other than Dutch. Isn't "hase" a hare rather than a rabbit. In Dutch/Flemish, "haas", rather than "konijn".
conquistador said: "Quebec is a large producer of 'fringe' porn, such as pissing and fisting, bondage and domination, they are pretty much north america's Germany."
Posted - Jan 19 2004 : 3:48AM
