"be prepared for me to preach my pro-porn rhetoric."
Legs, given your previous ranting, I'm prepared for you to preach, or be paranoid about my intentions, or do whatever you like.
"I say sex can be fun outside of marriage. I also say many couples are in porn don't have a problem with it. YOU do."
Since when I do?
"So save your fucking sarcasm for someone who cares."
I haven't been sarcastic, but don't let that stop your paranoid rant.
"How do you know Christian is HIV or do you assume simply because he is in porn he must be."
I don't assume christianx is HIV. You are writing a lot more than you're reading.
"this may be a shock to you but in many porn productions you have a less chance of catching HIV than you would not having sex with strangers even having sex in a committed relationship"
How does the HIV-risk compare between boy/girl porn and boy/boy? If you tell me boy/boy is as safe as boy/girl, it will indeed come as a shock to me.
Geez! Another thread taken off on a negative tangent.
Christian, I know absolutely nothing about you personally. All I know is the onscreen persona which appears in a lot of my favorite scenes and series. All I know is what I've heard second hand and from people I know and like. And it seems that the remarks of Katja and other femmes in the industry seems to be the general consensus.
If the men & women who work with and know this guy think he is professional, charming and decent - thats good enough for me!
You obviously don't need to be told to ignore the haters out there, so I'll just say "keep on keeping on, bro"
and thanks for not stomping on me at Rouge...
"I'm not a pimp, I just play one on TV"
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 9:59PM
because.. any mention of HIV-risk illicits personal attacks from people who think christianx is a swell guy and don't mind if a bunch of us die of AIDS. How about you guys control yourselves, so we can discuss serious things like HIV, without all the dramatics? If HIV discussion is unbearable to you, it can be ignored, but I don't see a reason for all the personal attacks.
Here the story Mark. When a person signs up and right off the bat starts to try and bring down another person on this board he is considered a troll. All you are doing is rehashing the same BS other people have tried to bring up. Do I think HIV is BS, no. Do I think you are just trolling, yes.
I do mind people dying from AIDS, where is the evidence Chris is HIV positive. Where is the evidence that it is rampant in the adult industry. Please show us facts and not just your biases. You are a troll, face it.
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 10:35PM
No doubt I'm biased against HIV, but the only things that need facing are your misreading of what I've typed, and your paranoid assumptions. I haven't the time to correct your mistakes, but you may review what I've actually written.But if christianx tries to bring down another person, he's not considered a troll; I'm sorry I cannot adopt such a double-standard. If new people are treated worse than people with high post-counts, you have yourself a nice circle-jerk but not a real discussion forum.You're upset that the HIV-issue has been raised, but I have not 'bashed' anyone, except possibly in response to their bashing me. If christianx doesn't want to be bashed, he didn't have to introduce himself to me with a personal attack. That choice was his, not mine.
I'm sorry I haven't followed every thread about christianx, but I'll try to avoid rehashing, by reading any threads you refer me to. If the issue's unresolved, it's because of the persons turning every HIV-discussion into a personal fight.
Interesting to note how this drama started: with christianx's presumptive statement above that any performer withholding support must be expressing "concerns and fears for their own careers". Sorry to burst his bubble, but the reason I'm withholding support is HIV-risk -- granted my aversion to HIV might be considered trolling by the more paranoid here.
A person who comes in this forum(assuming that you aren't just signing in as another person to hide your true identity) and right off the bat tries to start shit with another person has a lot less credibility that someone who has been around alot longer to this forum. Okay, we get it, your not a fan of Christian's move on.
You should be concerned about catching HIV from other places as well. Why do you target christian? I think I know the answer, but I'll let you explain.
Of course you think you know; you're like that, I've noticed.
In answer to your question: Who was it that made the sweeping generalization about male talent to which I originally replied? Was it Peter North? No... it was not....
Great barrybrn, but no one's asking you to find me credible. (Is there even anything I've said that you actually doubt? Was it my stance against HIV that you find incredible??) But you do prove the point, when HIV is discussed, christian-philes can be counted on to rant and make personal attacks.
We don't need riddles we need you to make your point. What is it? Yes I think I know you're point, but just in case I am wrong, I'll allow you to state it. Why are you here talking about AIDS. Do you think it is rampant in adult compared the normal pouplartion. Facts and stats please. These riddles and questions without getting to the point is annoying. So get to your point.
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 11:09PM
If Christianx really wants people to stop bashing about this stuff I got an easy solution quit doing gay scenes. Hes knows people are going to bash him about it but he continues to do them. I think he enjoys the threads and the drama they stirs up
You guys are pissing me off. Christian is a great guy and what I like about him is that he is very honest, he's very real and not as as fake as most people. If you are a porn fan you should just stick to watching the movies and jerk off. Let us performers deal with our job and the risks that come with it. If you are a performer yourself, go and put Christian on your no-list and go on with your life. I assume Mark that you are not planning on doing any b/b scenes with Christian anytime soon, so what's your problem? everybody who is somewhat successful will have haters and people leaving jealous remarks. And I really must say that I don't like the way discussions always turn the wrong way lately on this board. Christian I hope you stay how you are!!!
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 11:14PM
To understand that, you must first understand why christianx made sweeping, false generalizations about male talent.Are you ready to address the difference between boy/girl and boy/boy yet? If not, I'll just let you keep ranting.Actually you did, as you addressed "all of you and other male and female performers".No, but your addressing "all performers" and then immediately forgetting you addressed us hints at some impairment on your part.Okay but you are wrong. Why do you doubt my sincerity?your HO being based on misreadings and paranoid assumptionsI have no more idea what you're ranting about here than I did in your earlier examples. (You are writing volumes of nonsense instead of reviewing what I actually did say about marriage).
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 11:22PM
My problem is that I can catch HIV from a girl who catches it from a guy, even as I decline b/b scenes. If it weren't for that, I would agree with your simple no-list advice.
On the other hand, why didn't christianx just ignore my silence about him, as I've afforded him for so long? Instead, he had to go make a statement bashing everyone who's remained silent.
Mark, if you are that concerned you should look for another job or only perform in condom scenes. At least Christian is very open about what he does. You never know if the girl you are about to work with had unprotected anal cream pie sex with some guy she picked up at a club the night before. the world is full of cowards like you and one more or less doesn't even matter... If it's not you talking shit here, it's somebody else. You don't even have the guts to say who you are so why would anybody care if you agree with the way they do things?
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 11:46PM
Why would I, especially considering the hostility to which some members here seem predisposed? Why do you care?Have I insulted anyone who didn't first insult me? No, so spare me your self-righteous act.
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Posted - Apr 8 2007 : 11:58PM
lol. You tell me, Katja, why are you caring so much whether I agree? All this over my original one-and-a-half line post in this thread. wowCorrect me if I'm wrong, but didn't christianx at one point claim he was done with b/b, and did he not proceed then to do more b/b work?I might suggest the one who needs a different line of work is you, since HIV-discussions piss you off.
Everybody get's tested right? If the partner(s) test(s) is/are negative then the virus is not present. The virus does not magically appear out of nowhere. It's all a matter of trust between you and your scene partner(s).
Mark, Move on. You've made your statement. I think Katja is on the right track. If you have issues with HIV and the way it is being regulated in the industry, find another job.
Your argument regarding catching HIV from a woman in the industry via the risky practices of a man she has worked with is a little suspect to me. It would be just as easy for you to get it from an industry insider who was infected by any civilian.
Since you don't address any of this and continue to bash on Christian, you're statements are bound to be seen purely as invective.
You stated your view(s), now leave the man alone.
"I'm not a pimp, I just play one on TV"
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 9 2007 : 1:12AM
It's actually left up to the individual performers, or the individual director, to require tests. If there are no tests, but everyone's game, it still happens.The test is likely to miss a recently contracted infection, and performers are normally tested no more than every 30 days. That leaves a considerable window of opportunity for transmission.
Edited by - Mark90000 on 4/9/2007 1:22:52 AM
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Posted - Apr 9 2007 : 1:18AM
You've stated yours, so now you leave the man (me) alone.You're statements are bound to be seen purely as invective, since you continue to bash me, without addressing the points I've raised.I think Katja is on the right track: If you have issues with HIV and the way it is being regulated in the industry, find another discussion-forum. You've made your statement. Move on.
Not at all, Mark. I guess maybe you aren't as intelligent as I was giving you credit for. Christian is bemoaning the lack of support from his peers. You, however, are stating that you feel your very life is endangered by pursuing this career.
Hardly the same.
Now, as I said, your point has been made. The thread was regarding Christian. Others have honored him, you had the right to state your opinion. You have even answered others responses.
Now why not let it go? No one continues to attack you and you have argued your position.
WOW! This is the most ridiculous transformation of a positive thread I've read in a while. I love Christian as everyone knows and he knows...but this isn't about Christian. I don't even need to write anything remotely close to sticking up for him...he knows where he stands and his friends like Katja and myself know that he's an amazing person. For someone to be as ignorant as to say that Christian's performances and "risky acts" put him/her in more of a risk to catch HIV/Aids it's just the most "moronic" thing you could write in this forum. What about the girls that go get tested and after have unprotected sex with the guy they met at the club? What about the guys that do the same? We as performers should be aware of the risk we take in this line of business... If you feel like it's that much of a risk, then just like everyone else says, you are in the wrong business. HIV is a very serious topic, you are very right about that, but to single out a performer and use him as an example it's just dumb! Especially when the performer shoots so much (pretty much everyday) in a controlled environment, that probably has very little time to be fucking around on the side! Therefor you should instead of making a statement about Christian, it would have been more appropriate to make a general statement, maybe in a brand new topic. Then you would have looked like less of an ass! My cheap 2 cents.... XOXO Katarina Kat
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 9 2007 : 2:57AM
Because on this forum, boy/boy is no riskier than boy/girl. But that's only in the pretend-world on this forum; in the real world, boy/boy is riskier.Thank you, and back at you.But my post was only a response to christianx's post, which was in this thread. He could have started a new thread to complain about male performers, couldn't he have? But instead, he turned this once-positive thread into a thread about bashing other performers :(
And in my first couple of posts I definitely did clarify my statement was a general one, about risky behavior. If you deny the generality of my initial posts, I'll assume you're another here just to make drama.
The one who singled him out was himself, by making his peculiar complaint about other male performers. He just started whining about us out of nowhere. All your drama is a result of christianx's whining about other male performers.JAGnLA, no one continues to attack you and you have argued your position. Now why not let it go?Not especially smart of you to over-credit people, is it?Very lives are endangered by many careers, not just this one; what's peculiar here, however, is the complaint about non-supportive coworkers, and that complaint is all christanx's.
Get things into perspective, ok? This line of discussion was initiated by christian, not by me. He initiated it with his ignorant statement about male performers. I responded by correcting him. That is all it took for a drama-storm to flare up, and you can look at yourself to figure out why.
LOL....i love this.....Mark 9000 (who i am assuming is also Whiteboy, and the other aliases that got banned from the other threads about me)is trying to bait me. I was not complaining about the lack of support from other male performers. Maybe that came out wrong. My point was that lets say I am booked in a scene with a girl, and then she doesnt want to work with me, and so they switch me out with another male performer. Well 90 percent of the time its usually with a guy who has done the same things on or off camera that I have. And you KNOW that the girl is explaining to him why she doesnt want to work with me. And the guy doesnt speak up about his own proclivities. And why should he, its an extra 600 bucks for him and less hassle. But it still makes me sad sometimes. That is what i was trying to say. Did that make sense?
Thanks again Katja and Katarina, you are good people. But I think I have proven myself time and time again to be a reliable, able performer for just about every company in this business. And the fact remains that for every girl who doesnt want to work with me, there are 10 that do. I love my job and i love my life. How could I not getting to work with some the industries most beautiful and talented performers. Hate on haters! lol.
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Mark90000 Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 9 2007 : 4:29AM
1. boy/boy baiting is christianx's kick, not mine. 2. christianx is only resorting again to his patended ad-hominem argumentation. Maybe if I get my post-count high enough, I can attack people too? 3. I'm not Whiteboy. Please stop acting foolish.I understand now; thanks for your clarification. For what it's worth (not much, since I'm said to be some non-credible person named 'Whiteboy' (when I'm not busy being said to be Pornlaw)), I'm one of those male performers who does no b/b ever -- in case that helps you understand my befuddlement over your earlier statement about male performers.
Despite all the drama your buddies have made here, I was not trying to bait you. I was trying to help you understand why the support you receive is less than universal. Since you were really only talking about the male-performers who do secret b/b, you didn't mean me, so I do apologize for taking it personally. We might have gotten to that a page earlier, but your friends' thirst for drama prevailed.
Why do you say 90% of the guys are secretly doing boy/boy? I can believe some are, so I do understand your frustration with their getting work instead of you -- but 90%?
Anyway, I have proven myself to be a reliable, able performer. For icing on the cake, I present a relatively low risk to our co-workers, and to our employers, who will find the cost of talent skyrocket if there's an outbreak. So hate on.
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Posted - Apr 9 2007 : 7:50AM
Mark, if you're going to participate here as a performer then you need to say who you are. That's the only way we can prevent people pretending to be in the industry. Otherwise you are not welcome to participate.
I have defended Christian repeatedly for this very reason. He is open and honest and allows the girls to make their own decisions. It's the people who lie and have something to hide that are riskier than those who put it all out there, allowing the girls to make informed decisions.
Kind of like you, MarkTroll900000... hiding something... However, I do want to congratulate you on figuring out how to use the quote feature. And I promise you that no man has ever caught HIV from my strap-on. Real men take the strap-on in the ass. Come on, go for it. You know you wanna.
why would he NEVER answer my phone calls... ALWAYS text... and then, sight unseen, randomly invite me to his hotel room at the wynn when i arrived in vegas?
Only from jabbering morons like you.I do my job for the sake of money. People giving me attention is only an unwanted side-effect, and your policy promotes stalking, which you purport to be against. Why not just ban anyone pretending I'm not in the industry? They are breaking your rules.The truth is bound to be disappointing, when you pretend that 90% of male performers take phalices.
I can't cite chapter and verse, but I think no one will disagree that a certain percentage of the "straight" male performer pool is, to use a phrase I do not intend as a slur, a tad "fruity." Some of this percentage overlaps with performers who have done serious jail time, so maybe they are not entirely acquainted with same-sex action by happy choice, but I'm just saying ... parts is parts. If everyone was as honest as Christian, even 70% honest, perhaps there would be too much fallout? I don't know and it's not for me to say. All I can say is that I never heard a female performer say a bad word about him, and have heard many say very good words about him. He generates a lot of affection among his peers. All I hear about many male performers is trash talk. Especially from female performers. So, Christian must be doing something right. As long as he's playing safe and has a clean test, his personal tastes should be his own.
