Christian breaking the law

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LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 12:28AM Christian writes on his blog christiansingstheblues.com... "So I headed over to the MGM Grand and we shot it right there in a hotel room (which is highly illegal by the way). The only legal place to shoot pornographic movies in the United States is Los Angeles, California." Doesn't Brazzers and other companies shoot lots of their stuff in Las Vegas year round? Depicting shooting porn in areas other than Los Angeles as "highly illegal" is not accurate. I would say that it might be, it could be. It just hasn't been brought up in a court case yet. And quite frankly, I wonder if a charge would even hold up in other areas. Los Angeles is the only place where a court case has taken place. I just don't see how it would be illegal elsewhere. What is the actual law that is being broken if an adult film is being shots outside of LA? I don't know the answer. This is just food for thought. A good topic for discussion maybe? PS - nice blogging Christian. Keep it up. PUN INTENDED! [Link]
xxaru Member 128 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 12:40AM I believe cases have been brought to court in NY. [Link]
Ohri Member 23 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 1:02AM LuckyBastard wrote: What is the actual law that is being broken if an adult film is being shots outside of LA? Click to expand you can shoot girls bound being fucked- at least in New York Just about everything I see online says that CA is the only legal place to hire actors, but I think that as long as you have a signed model release, business license & tax ID number, and a lawyer's ok, you can shoot where ever you want to. I recently watched Eden, and that was shot in Hawai'i. If it was really "illegal" to shoot outside of CA it would be foolhardy to make permanent records (DVDs) and go blathering about it on one's website. The DoJ needs little to no provocation to pursue obscenity charges. Why make their case and lay out the evidence for them? Some of these guys are simply playing to the taboo factor, hoping it'll hook them some extra buyers. It's a marketing game. [Link]
Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 2:56AM You may be interested in reading about the charges brought against a company shooting internet porn in Florida. They were on the Florida panhandle if I recall correctly. I will link to some information if someone here doesn't link to it first. They were charged with racketeering. I will go searching for the information. Edited to add: Here is the story: Ray Guhn Edited by - Walter on 1/13/2008 3:01:42 AM Edited by - Walter on 1/13/2008 3:06:05 AM [Link]
cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 6:21AM Hi, The more i read about the strange customs in america the less i ever wanna go there I probably could understand if it wouldn´t be legal to shoot in front of national buildings or things alike but i can not understand why it should not be allowed to shoot in »any« hotel room what´s so ever. Don´t get me started on adult shows for adults where adult performers are not allowed to show off their nipples. did i mention that only adults are allowed to enter these adult shows ? ridiculous Cube [Link]

LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 6:22AM Walter wrote: You may be interested in reading about the charges brought against a company shooting internet porn in Florida. They were on the Florida panhandle if I recall correctly. I will link to some information if someone here doesn't link to it first. They were charged with racketeering. I will go searching for the information. Edited to add: Here is the story: Ray Guhn Edited by - Walter on 1/13/2008 3:01:42 AM Edited by - Walter on 1/13/2008 3:06:05 AM Click to expand Yes, thank you I've read about that story. I think two of the charges brought in that case are pimping and prostitution. But that is exactly what the case in CA many years ago set the precedent for. That it is not pimping, pandering or prostitution if a producer/director hires actors for a film. I am sure that charge will get tossed. I'm leaning towards the belief that even though that the case was in CA. it still sets a precedent. My question still remains. If a company in Las Vegas, or anywhere for that matter, produces an adult film, what law are they breaking? [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 7:04AM I don't know anything about the state to state legalities, but I believe that they can only prosecute if you are caught in the act. Even with a dvd as record, after the fact, they can't do dick, again, from my understanding. [Link]
Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 8:14AM Hmmm. (Strokes beard) I thought it was the sale of certain types of porn in certain areas that broke obscenity laws? E.g. B/G vag is not illegal in the UK, butt fisting is. I was under the impression that it don't matter where the hell you shoot the damn thing, as long as you don't do it in public where the act itself, being viewable to uninvolved others, is obscene. Same as shagging in a park. It only matters where you try to sell it, I believed. I had my fun and that's all that matters. [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 8:59AM It seems clear that none of us know what the hell the deal is. I think someone who actually knows this should step in. [Link]
Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 9:08AM Here, here. (Picks up phone in urgent manner) Operator, get me Stevie Holmes" I had my fun and that's all that matters. [Link]
melpster Member 582 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 9:14AM Kensington Chapp wrote: Here, here. (Picks up phone in urgent manner) Operator, get me Stevie Holmes" I had my fun and that's all that matters. Click to expand I think I remember reading somewhere here on this forum that Brandon Iron once shot a scene with Steve Holmes and Hillary Scott in a Vegas hotel room, although it never came out to DVD (as far as I know, and believe me, I've been looking for it!). I was under the impression that this happens often, but maybe I'm thinking of the hotel rooms I've seen in European porn, like when Vince Voyeur went to the Venus Fest in Raw & Uncut In Berlin. [Link]
Ohri Member 23 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 10:33AM jrsl76 wrote: I don't know anything about the state to state legalities, but I believe that they can only prosecute if you are caught in the act. Even with a dvd as record, after the fact, they can't do dick, again, from my understanding. Click to expand They absolutely can and will prosecute if they believe they have a solid case. Screen caps of some guy announcing "this is illegal!" would certainly not help his defense. Kensington Chapp wrote: Hmmm. (Strokes beard) I thought it was the sale of certain types of porn in certain areas that broke obscenity laws? Click to expand Each state gets to define it's own standard, so we've got at least 50 different definitions of what constitutes obscenity and what doesn't. Thus leading to CALIFORNIA v. FREEMAN, 488 U.S. 1311 (1989) is [ invalid url ] isn't a crime in those parts? [Link]
pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 11:18AM California (not just Los Angeles) is the only state that has case law that protects anyone's First Amendment right to produce adult hardcore content. Porn is shot in probably every other state, however, by shooting in other states those production companies run the risk of prosecution. It rarely happens, but it can. As for New York, there was a criminal case that compared porn production to prostitution but that case did not establish the legalization of content production. It is still illegal there as well. Michael www.adultbizlaw.com [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 11:23AM pornlaw wrote: California (not just Los Angeles) is the only state that has case law that protects anyone's First Amendment right to produce adult hardcore content. Porn is shot in probably every other state, however, by shooting in other states those production companies run the risk of prosecution. It rarely happens, but it can. As for New York, there was a criminal case that compared porn production to prostitution but that case did not establish the legalization of content production. It is still illegal there as well. Michael www.adultbizlaw.com Click to expand So what is the charge then if a company in Las Vegas gets busted for shooting porn? [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 12:53PM I think that the charge would likely be pandering, just like it was in CA vs. Freeman. In some locations, I would think that prosecutors would just avoid a case like this because, if they lose, it could become a "green light" for others to shoot porn, in that same jurisdiction, without any fear of prosecution. They're probably better off if people continue to confuse "not explicitly legal" with "illegal" in places like Las Vegas. [Link]

LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 1:28PM pornlaw wrote: California (not just Los Angeles) is the only state that has case law that protects anyone's First Amendment right to produce adult hardcore content. Porn is shot in probably every other state, however, by shooting in other states those production companies run the risk of prosecution. It rarely happens, but it can. As for New York, there was a criminal case that compared porn production to prostitution but that case did not establish the legalization of content production. It is still illegal there as well. Michael www.adultbizlaw.com Click to expand What about the Mann Act? Could it apply to porn productions when a company flies a girl into Las Vegas (Or anywhere for tht matter) to shoot an adult film? [Link]
jazzman Member 20 Posts 12/06	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 3:07PM In terms of shoots in hotel rooms being "illegal", I wonder if it has more to do with local ordinances and the contract that exists between the renter and the establishment regarding a prohibition on conducting for-profit commercial activities on the premises without specific consent of the owner. Although I'm not a lawyer, I could see where the owner of the property might be able to enjoin the release of any such photos or video, or at least attempt to compel a disgorgement of the revenues. Either way, the producer would have an unwelcome legal fight on their hands, and might lose control of the product at the end of the day. And looking at it like this, it wouldn't matter one bit whether we're talking about a porn shoot or just about any other type -- the same logic (and restrictions) would seem to apply. [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 3:11PM i love the title of this post, it makes me seem nefarious. [Link]
Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 3:29PM Oh, get over yourself and answer the bloody question. I had my fun and that's all that matters. [Link]
pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 11:54PM I think that the charge would likely be pandering, just like it was in CA vs. Freeman. In some locations, I would think that prosecutors would just avoid a case like this because, if they lose, it could become a "green light" for others to shoot porn, in that same jurisdiction, without any fear of prosecution. They're probably better off if people continue to confuse "not explicitly legal" with "illegal" in places like Las Vegas. Click to expand Thats a great analysis. Mann Act can apply. The Feds have not used it in a long time, but from what I understand, it might rear its head again in regards to the on-going prostitution investigation they have going on. And Jazzman is correct as well. Location releases are needed. If there's art on the wall, those would also need releases. There are a bunch of problems with shooting in hotel rooms in Vegas. Whether it would happen, well I haven't heard of it so far. Michael www.adultbizlaw.com [Link]
absynth Member absynth makes the heart grow fonder 434 Posts 8/06	Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 12:13AM They have legal prostitution in Vegas, but you can't video record it? Basically makes no fuckin' sense.... [Link]
lampman Member 6 Posts 11/05	Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 1:01AM Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas. [Link]
absynth Member absynth makes the heart grow fonder 434 Posts 8/06	Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 1:06AM I'm not talking about hookin' on the strip, I was referring to the legalized brothels or whatever the fuck they have. [Link]
melpster Member 582 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 1:30AM As I understand it, the brothels are only legal outside of Vegas city limits. [Link]
absynth Member absynth makes the heart grow fonder 434 Posts 8/06	Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 1:41AM I see... So I should have said Nevada, instead. Shows how much I've been there.... :P [Link]

Offender Member 158 Posts 12/06	Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 8:46PM I can't remember the name, but I know there's one porn company that prides itself on shooting in Maine and using only local performers (to distance themselves from the stigma of "corporate porn" in southern CA). It says that right on their website. Maybe now that John Ashcroft's not Attorney General the Justice Department realized there were better things to worry about. [Link]
lurflurf Member 115 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 12:43AM my know nothing opinion It seams there are about five reasons filming might be illegal -acts performed are illegal -obscenity -prostitution -permits -zoning/ So lets say our scene involves only consenting adults preforming mainstream acts and the location does not have any silly laws against fornication/homosexual acts/oral sex ect. Obscenity is probably not a problem most places at the time of shooting since there is no finished product to show the jury and no copies got to backwards towns yet via undercover agents ordering them yet. Prostitution is a potential problem in 48 states a California court case settled the point that in California adult film making does not constitute prostitution similar arguments might work else where but this has not yet been done In Nevada prostitution is legal under some circumstances permits Many places will not permit adult productions making them illegal For that matter I suspect many southern California productions are not properly permited hence technically illegal. Zoning This is the problem that might occur in some Nevada Brothels if they are not zoned or licensed in a way that allows filming [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 1:49AM absynth wrote: They have legal prostitution in Vegas, but you can't video record it? Basically makes no fuckin' sense.... Click to expand It's all part of the crazy, convoluted hydra that is the law in America. There's not much about it that makes any sense. But rest assured. It's all there for our own good [Link]
Bramm_Brazzers Member Do you see what happens, Larry? 125 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 12:46PM LA is not the only place you can shoot...that's bullshit... [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 12:48PM Bramm_Brazzers wrote: LA is not the only place you can shoot...that's bullshit... Click to expand I agree. So why does everyone keep saying that? [Link]
MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 2:26PM all I can say here is that 95% of you (excluding Fattarosi of course) are doing nothing here but exhibiting your ignorance of local, state and federal law. stick to being fan bois and leave the legal stuff to them what knows. [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 2:44PM MikeSouth wrote: all I can say here is that 95% of you (excluding Fattarosi of course) are doing nothing here but exhibiting your ignorance of local, state and federal law. stick to being fan bois and leave the legal stuff to them what knows. Click to expand You failed to post your opinion. Please post. It's good to hear lots of opinions and points of view. [Link]
Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 3:55PM Maybe he doesn't know so he doesn't feel like showing his ignorance. Bramm, maybe you can help us fanboy lowlifes out? I had my fun and that's all that matters. [Link]
MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 3:56PM My opinion is I do as my attorney advises me Im not a lawyer and Im not about to give legal advice to anyone what applies to me in GA may not apply to you in BFE [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 4:01PM MikeSouth wrote: My opinion is I do as my attorney advises me Im not a lawyer and Im not about to give legal advice to anyone what applies to me in GA may not apply to you in BFE Click to expand No one asked for your legal advice, just your opinion on the topic at hand. Edited by - LuckyBastard on 1/15/2008 4:05:36 PM [Link]

Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 4:37PM BFE = British Fucking England? I had my fun and that's all that matters. [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 4:41PM Kensington Chapp wrote: BFE = British Fucking England? I had my fun and that's all that matters. Click to expand Maybe BFE = Big Fucking Ego? [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 5:52PM [Link]
maniac killa Deactivated User "Allow me to extend my hand in friendship and shake yo fuckin neck" 82 Posts 10/07	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 8:19PM wow u people r bitter beer face! who the fuck cares where christian shot a scene, these porno people prolly shoot without permits all the time. r u a cop? if not mind ya biz and quit hatin on christian cuz he gets to bang gorgeous girls. [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 8:31PM maniac killa wrote: wow u people r bitter beer face! who the fuck cares where christian shot a scene, these porno people prolly shoot without permits all the time. r u a cop? if not mind ya biz and quit hatin on christian cuz he gets to bang gorgeous girls. Click to expand Who is hating on Christian? I don't think there was even one negative comment towards him. We're discussing an issue here. No hate towards him at all. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 8:35PM maniac killa wrote: wow u people r bitter beer face! who the fuck cares where christian shot a scene, these porno people prolly shoot without permits all the time. r u a cop? Click to expand You didn't read this thread before posting. Try again. Edited by - conquistador on 1/15/2008 8:35:50 PM [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Jan 15 2008 : 10:27PM Kensington Chapp wrote: BFE = British Fucking England? I had my fun and that's all that matters. Click to expand Butt Fuck Egypt...its a term for living far away from civilization [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jan 16 2008 : 12:13AM I think I remember reading somewhere here on this forum that Brandon Iron once shot a scene with Steve Holmes and Hillary Scott in a Vegas hotel room, although it never came out to DVD (as far as I know, and believe me, I've been looking for it!). I was under the impression that this happens often, but maybe I'm thinking of the hotel rooms I've seen in European porn, like when Vince Voyeur went to the Venus Fest in Raw & Uncut In Berlin. Click to expand Wow! Great memory! The scene was meant to be a part of INTENSITIES IN 10 CITIES and released by Platinum X. My status changed over there and it didn't get put out. It's going to come out in March as a different title through JM Productions. You've been very patient so e-mail me at brandoniron_99@yahoo.com and I'll send it to you closer to the street date. Muchos gracias. [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jan 17 2008 : 4:22PM christianx wrote: i love the title of this post, it makes me seem nefarious. Click to expand I thought it was going to be something really bad, like you went on some wild King Kong rampage through the city, cops chasing you, the Army brought in. Biologists with tranquilizer darts. Climbing to the top of the Stratosphere with a screaming blonde in your grip. Or some kind of Oceans 11 heist. That would be cool. Ooh! The heist first, and then when the heat is on, Christian goes on the love-crazed, misunderstood simian destruction spree. I'd pay good money to see that. [Link]
P3-2A Member 173 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 1:57AM I thought it was Christian singing Judas Priest. I'm so lame. [Link]
ouroboros Member 22 Posts 11/07	Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 2:45AM P3-2A wrote: I thought it was Christian singing Judas Priest. I'm so lame. Click to expand and...cue the sound of crickets... [Link]
LuckyBastard Member I like whores, is that bad? 273 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 4:36AM ouroboros wrote: P3-2A wrote: I thought it was Christian singing Judas Priest. I'm so lame. Click to expand and...cue the sound of crickets... Click to expand Actually, I thought that was pretty funny. Because there is the possibility that it's true. "Breaking the law" was a popular song. [Link]
Kendra Kay Member 31 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jan 29 2008 : 6:39PM We shot our "Room Service" video in a hotel, but we removed anything that had the hotels name on it, so good luck in determing where we were :) [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 30 2008 : 10:30PM Kendra Kay wrote: We shot our "Room Service" video in a hotel, but we removed anything that had the hotels name on it, so good luck in determing where we were :) Click to expand As do most film crews. The most shocking thing in a video (to me anyway) would be to see performers going into the front door of a hotel showing the name and everything. [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 30 2008 : 10:44PM absynth wrote: I see... So I should have said Nevada, instead. Shows how much I've been there.... :P Click to expand Legally, you can only operate a brothel that is in a Nevada County with less than 400,000 people in the pop.(No I have no idea where they came up with that number.) Clark County (Vegas) and Washoe County (Reno) are the only places with those numbers so anywhere else in Nevada is fair game. But you're right, lots of people have the impression that it's legal in Vegas. Mainly because there ARE 100s of escort services in Vegas, probably more than in any other US city. Like other cities, these flourish, because renting an "escort" for an evening of "companionship" is not illegal. It would be interesting (and legally expensive I'll bet) to see what would happen if someone living in Vegas openly announced that he was filming scenes in his own home. Additionally, in Rhode Island (!) street solicitation and brothels are illegal, but otherwise sex for money is perfectly legal. Again, it would be interesting to see what would happen if a shoot was made in someone's home there. Of course, I somehow just don't see Providence becoming a hotbed of the industry. :) [Link]