There seems to have been a lot of discussion in recent threads (particularly the ones inspired by the Deep Throat This series) about the lack of "true" deepthroat. Some folks have claimed that there is almost no true deepthroating in the series, rendering the series title a misnomer.
I've seen many of the more recent releases of the series (I think I've seen all of them at least once since about #15 or so). I'm almost positive that there has been deepthroating going on. I'd say that the frequency is probably something like 2-3 scenes per release. I'm talking about cocks going all the way down throats and noses touching bellies or balls. Admittedly, this is a very low frequency - there are usually about a baker's dozen (sorry Brandon!) worth of scenes in each release.
What I'd like to know is, how does each fan define "true" deepthroating. Is it any of the following types?
The "Hi, Mom" - Extended periods where the girl is all the way down on the cock and looking up into the camera (sometimes even winking!), as if to say "Hi, Mom!" (A rarity in porn - Bobbi Bliss was one exponent of this lovely technique)
The "Clean and Jerk" - cock all the way down throat, even if only for a second or two, with little or no gagging (clean), and then pulls off (jerk). Usually occurs multiple times per scene
The "Quick and Dirty" - cock does make it into the throat, but usually just barely, with lots of effort, gagging, etc. (I love spit, so I like watching this - It's something about the effort the girl is making that turns me on)
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Posted - Mar 27 2005 : 11:02AM
I think anytime the cock disappears completely for any amount of time, it constitutes a deep throat. My personal preference is the classic type with pursed lips exemplified by women like Little Oral Annie and Jeanna Fine, but the gagging, tonsil hammering is pretty cool, too. In fact, any attempt at getting past the gag reflex is appreciated by me.
To me, the definition of deep throating is when the girl is able to go all the down without some guy forcing her head down. I also like to see a lot of spit and gagging is fine as long as it is not forced. I use to like Gia Paloma a lot but her gagging all the time has turned into a "circus act" to me.
I also would prefer the deep throating is done with the girl's lips tightly sealed around the cock instead of the all the gagging you currently see. Watching a Bobbi Bliss blow job should be required viewing for all new porn girls.
Tiffany Hopkin's scene is O-Ring Blowout is a perfect example of what I consider deep throating.
Agreed! So it shall be written. So it shall be done!
Is Bobbi still around? She should open up a school for pornstars. I bet she could get lots of these newbies doing the "Hi Mom!" deepthroat style in no time. Let's matriculate as many new stars as possible in the Bobbi Bliss School of True Deepthroating
Edited by - Cumwhipper on 3/27/2005 11:43:20 AM
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Posted - Mar 27 2005 : 12:09PM
They should take it all the way down to the base and it should look effortless. The lips should stay locked on the shaft the WHOLE time. Its okay for a brief "pause" while they open their mouth to to take that final peice, but there are some girls that don't even need to do this.
If at any times it looks like the girl straining to take it all down, then the BJ would have been better off if she just stopped when she reached her max. I am soo sick of all these stop and gags we see in some gonzo. It is NOT sexy, it is NOT hot.
For "true" effortless deepthroat see:
-That Heather girl at iDeepThroat.com -Mika Tan -Jeanna Fine -Nikita Denise (Sometimes) -Bobbi Bliss (a bit too much spit at times) -Little Oral Annie -BellaDonna -Obsession
There are probably more if you look at amateur videos & stuff. But the list is small for a reason -- the TRUE deeptrhoat is rare. If I think of any more I'll let you know.
What about this current trend of "tongue job" where the starlet swallows the shaft and then sticks her tongue out to show the viewers at home her exposed tongue?
I find it extremely hot and watching Mika Tan do it is top notch!
I figure deep throating is when a girl like me can shove a cock down my throat and have the lips pucker around the base of the balls. Same goes for if my face is buried into them or if my tongue can reach under the sac.
Sometimes, guys are afraid of hurting me, but I can take it all the way down. I like when they hold my head down on it.
Gia is an amazing deepthroater. I've seen at least two movies (the BTS of Anal Retentive #3 is one, I think) where she deepthroats a cock to the base, and then manages to push both balls into her mouth as well. Visually it's incredible to watch. It's definitely in the "Hi Mom!" category. The guys have mixed reactions. One of them couldn't take it - his balls were probably just too sensitive for it!
Gia - whatever inspired you to try that? Can you list all the scenes where you do it? And, most importantly, do you need anyone to practice on?
Ahhh what a lovely thought thank you Gia! Tritone is right about Heather for ideepthroat though I am still amazed. I have never saw ANYTHING like her! Just breathtaking to look at to boot! I have been in love with her for years and I would love to see her make DVDs even if they are with her husband.
Excuse me George, but is your cock as tanned as the rest of you? What would Alana think?
As the poster who started all this fuss 'n feathers back on the Deep Throat 24 post, I agree with cumwhipper that there is more than one type of genuine DT.
I think rip-offs hurt the industry, and it's important to point out when a box cover promises something that isn't there.
Bobbi Bliss always did it for me but after reading Gia Jordans's comments, I'll definitely check out her site. If she digs taking the balls in her mouth at the same time, I'm in love.
btw, I agree with the assessment of Gia Paloma's old routine with the slobbering and spit and all. This girl is WAY over exposed.
Gia Jordan wrote: Not sure what inspires me to shove the balls in my mouth while I deep throat. I JUST WANT IT ALL SO BAD!
I love your attitude. When a guy doesn't worry about how sensitive the girls might be before doing something it's nice to find a girl with the same attitude.
Make the guy squirm for it like guys make girls is HOT.
Keep up the good work. Deep throat Balls deep and then take in the Balls.
Having thought about all this I picked up a copy of Asseaters Unanamous to catch Gia Jordans talents. OH YEAH, she can take it down beautifully, balls and all. In this flick, the guy is a little sensitive about it though.
Anyways, Gia makes up for it by diving into his butthole, at one point telling him "payback is a bitch". She's clearly the star of the movie - great voice and ultra nasty. He doesn't even fuck her but the oral work is unbelievable.
Taking it down balls and all is an incredible talent and this girl really digs it. Keep it up.
Does anyone know of another movie with Gia Jordan that features something very similar to the BTS of Anal Retentive #3 where she takes the cock all the way down including the balls? I was hoping for a longer scene of this in the main feature of the film.
By the way, I'm not looking for an asseaters feature - i'm just not into that.
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Posted - Jun 25 2005 : 12:07PM
I did a review on Deep Throat This #2 where I have a short description of what a deep throat was.
I don't mean to toot my own horn here, but for sure something got missed here. I've been throatfucking girls for years, and do it in every scene. It's basically what started the craze. Now days we take it for granted almost, although most is pretty poorly done. As Jeff Mike who was the inspiration for Gag Factor. I was the first person to put a girl on her back with her head hanging over the edge of something, so her throat it straight and you can ram it right down to the nuts. I call it the 'back-breaker' when I have them arch backwards kneeling on the floor.
I especially like ramming a dildo down a girl's throat while I'm assfucking her, as it makes her gag and tightens her asspipe. This goes way back even before I shot the infamous scenes with Briana Banks in early 1999.
I even throatfuck girls while pissing, basically injecting piss right into their tummies. So if it's throatfucking you want, you can get it in every movie at MaxHardcore.com. Take the tour and enjoy!
As Max, the ever artful visionary, cruises by atop the deck of his weathered, salt strewn trawler, he casts a pungent lure, that will inevitably draw creatures up, from any and all depths.
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Posted - Jun 25 2005 : 9:21PM
There are more and more women doing this everyday. Marie Luv has taken to swallowing some big dicks down to the short hairs. I've seen her do Lee Stone, who is very long, and almost get all of Byron Long's massive member. I think that there's a great challenge there and the performers are responding to it. Jayna Oso took on three guys in Black Cravings 14 and she inhaled this huge member belonging to some guy named Rico. I'm surprised WCP isn't pushing this guy, he's as big as Lex.
Hey Endless, that it some clever writing! Can I quote you in later interviews? And Solid, you're obviously not familiar with my work, or else you would know I am the original, master of disaster. Take the tour, bro, and check it out. The scene only looks good if the rod is a hundred percent, and it blows if it don't squirt out her nose.
And btw, was that a real airline shitter that you were throatfucking Layla Rivera, upside down in, and on what appeared, a rather crowded flight at 30,000 ft?
You bet your bottom dollar that was a real airline toilet. And man let me tell you it is not too fucking easy to fuck and film in one of those cabins. But I do it every time I go overseas, both going and coming back. Layla is a great flexible fuck-hole so it was at least a little easier.
If you want to see another strange location check out my scene with Summerluv in an open chopper flying over Rio de Janeiro. The piss was flying all over the place! Here's the trailer:
No offense Max, but a girl deepthroating you is not nearly as challenging as a girl deepthroating the likes of Manuel Ferrara, Steve Holmes, Eric Everhard and countless others.
As far as your movies are concerned, I stopped watching your material ever since you started with that ridiculous habit of makeup smearing on the girl's faces. I just don't find that erotic, sexy or entertaining. I still check out your boxcovers in hope that I stop seeing it but so far it is to no avail.
Well to each their own, as they say. But I don't think you've seen much, because the makeup smearing thing was lipstick, and I only did that in a dozen or so scenes out of thousands. Thanks for checking them out anyway. As for degree of difficulty, well, you'll have to take a look at the scenes to determine that, but from what most of my fans can see, it's very difficult for most girls to handle. Take a look at this typical new boxcover with a new girl who only did a few scenes.
Some of us like the makeup smearing, it somehow gives the girl a sluttier appearance. The excessive makeup helps give the cheap french whore look which is also appealing to some of us.
Max is big enough to get it into the girls throat and each girl is able to take all of it in Max's films. As I see it, Girls who can take larger members is great but only if they can take it all the way which they can't many of the times with Manuel Ferrara, Steve Holmes, and Eric Everhard. These guys can rarely ever ram a girls throat the way Max does, so their large size works against them in a way.
Belladonna easily made 100% of Nacho's cock disappear and not for just one time down, but many. And she still looked cute as hell and innocent doing it.
We used two choppers on that shoot in Rio. One to do the scene in with one cameraman which is all we could fit, and a second chopper with two camerament in it to film the my chopper and get secondary angles on the action. The day cost around five grand, but in my opinion was well worth it. But they cleaned up the slop!
Max
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Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 11:40PM
The best "dry" deepthroater is Heather form ideepthroat.com
The best "wet" deepthroater is Michelle Raven. She has taken some monster cocks deep into her throat and brings them out dripping with saliva. Then again, I'm partial towards the wet blowjobs - but a wet deepthroat is pretty amazing. Track down her gloryhole.com scene online.
Oh yeah, don't let anyone give you trouble Max Hardcore. You dispense more throat punishment on your girls than any other three porn studs combined.
Thanks Kataboom. Plenty more where that movie came from. And Phlogiston, you're right about the punishment. If a cock is too big to 'pop' it past the back of the mouth and into the throat, it just doesn't count as throatfucking. More like... tosnil pounding? But that would be for another thread.
They were covering it, under their 'Wild Animals' series! There were amazed how I was able to tame the savage whore by injecting her with piss! Said one, 'This ain't gonna work with alligators, no way!'
Would have been better if you were suspended by cables and harnesses below the chopper. Then the puke and piss could just simply rain down on the unsuspecting population below.
Just kidding there, over a non-populated area would be more appropriate. Maybe I have the makings of an adult porn director afterall. I bet that I could easily sell this idea in Japan.
The "Hi, Mom" - Extended periods where the girl is all the way down on the cock and looking up into the camera (sometimes even winking!), as if to say "Hi, Mom!" (A rarity in porn - Bobbi Bliss was one exponent of this lovely technique)
I just saw Katsumi in Ass Worship #7 --- she has developed into a deepthroat artist - plenty of the "Hi, Mom" variety in her scene, and there's one segment where she deepthroats this GIGANTIC fucking dildo (I swear this thing is 15" long at least and fat, too!) that Jules just stuffed in her ass. Amazing stuff.
Speaking of Jules, Feeding Frenzy 7 has some good deepthroating too (almost every girl attempts and often succeeds at deepthroating at several points during each scene), including a fleeting "Hi, Mom" look into the camera by Leah Luv as she stuff a cock all the way down her throat.
Bobbi Bliss for all time!! She ascended to Goddess status in the dicksucking department. No one else achieves what Bobbi can. Compare her to Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat. Harry Reems was nowhere the size of Lex Steele or Byron Long whom Bobbi pulled a disappearing act on both of their johnsons in 'I Swallow 1'. Byron has a soft-hardon & Lex has a hard-hardon. It's difficult to explain. But I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it that Bobbi reduced Lex to whimpers by taking him completely down to the nuts into her esophagus. Bobbie wins out over such great dicksuckers as Little Oral Annie & Jeanna Fine because the dicks she sucked were monsters and adds to the mix.
Others: *Linda Lovelace(great 70s bj of Harry Reems in the original Deep Throat nearly sucking his & two other males lungs out.) *Little Oral Annie(She did all kinds of things with a dick while sucking it. could make friends with a guys' dick) *Jeanna Fine(check her out in a great early interracial bj of Field Marshall Bradley from 1990. The movie's title escapes me.) *Belladonna(a second runner up to Bobbi Bliss. Makes sexy gurgling sounds when the dick or dildo is stuck in the back of her throat) *Susan Vegas(worked only with her husband Steve Vegas in early 90s. He had a 'bat' of a dick and she could make his whole shaft disappear into her gullet. Susan is a very underrated & forgotten dicksucker.) *Laura Lazare(could give serious head when she wanted to. 1983 rock-n-roll style movie has her blowing a band member during a concert and he unleashes a firestorm of cum past her face. Unforgettable!) *Kim Chambers(in her better more horny moments can take a man all the way to the root and stick her tongue out like a lizard.)
...these are just some. There's more but I can't think of at the moment.
I've only seen Bobbi Bliss several times. Yes, she is indeed impressive.
I would rate Annette from the GGG movies at least the equal of Bobbi Bliss in the deepthroating department. She is very enthusiastic, has no apparant gag reflex, size does not appear to be an issue, etc.
And even though she is retired (at least I haven't seen anything new from her in quite some time), I still think Jeanna Fine is one of the best deepthropat artists of all time. A blowjob from Jeanna must be an absolutely incredible experience.
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