Jules Jordan

But piracy sucks even more, so I guess it´s your right to protect your movies.

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I guess I don't understand your rationale, Jules. From a consumer standpoint, however, I don't think I would find a watermark overly distracting. I think it would be better not to have it, but the presence of one wouldn't stop me from buying a movie I really wanted. But if my desire for a movie wasn't sufficiently strong, a watermark might, however subtly, be a factor in my deciding not to purchase it.

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Exactly.

This is a bit too drastic, and not an approach I would take. Though, as you, Jules, say, this is definitely a problem, with some fuckers out there.

Seeing a watermark throughout will be disappointing, especially to the honest paying fans. But those fuckers who brought this on will find a way to fuck up every great thing.

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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But this isn't an issue of DVD piracy, it's some fucker who takes the DVD and puts images from it up on the internet without any acknowledgement as to where it came from, usually for profit to themselves and not the copyright holder. So many topics on this forum come from people who see these fuckers sites, see a good looking girl, then ask what film that came from? Well, if those fuckers would tell that said scene came from a certain DVD, get permission to post screen grabs, then that would eliminate many posts on these forum.

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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If it´s something WRITTEN, it will ALWAYS be distracting, no matter what. That´s plain psychology. But...

If it´s a symbol, like an stilyzed JJ, then it gets absorbed by the mind and forgotten in, say, ten minutes.

But if you put a logo on Gauge´s bungholio, we´re going to tear your asshole a new asshole!

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stopping piracy is like pissing in the wind, you'll always get splash back

i don't know why companies bother with anti-piracy software, you WILL NEVER stop piracy. the only way to stop people buying pirates is to make the official discs cheaper, that goes for porn aswell as mainstream, especialy mainstream.

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Copying DVDs to VHS is pretty much like going out with Gauge and spend the entire night wanking off to a naked pic of Aybesea.

Edited by - Planet Sex on 1/14/2003 10:36:50 PM

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I don't think the net effect of watermarking would be positive. It will probably hurt sales but for what benefit? Pirates are going to continue pirating and the downloaders are no more likely to buy the DVDs than they were before. In fact, having seen the watermarking themselves they may be less inclined to buy the DVDs.

There are a lot of other issues to be considered and discussed, but ultimately I think watermarking is a counter-productive idea. I would like to see the test watermark before stating anything absolutely, but I can't imagine a good watermark at all.

It's a no-win situation. I don't think I should be punished for legally buying a DVD and I certainly don't think Jules should be punished for turning out fantastic product. All I can say is I'm against watermarking and it would probably hurt my decision to buy JJ DVDs in future.

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You can look at it this way, If you're the most pirated porn director out there, that means YOU ARE THE BEST porn director out there (wich I think you are !)

Keep up the good work Jules, I will buy your dvds with or without watermarks, you have my support !

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I think that this will tend to look a lot like the "bugs" that most television stations are currently using to "brand" their broadcasts.

Although I understand the reasoning behind this decision, I don't like it. I don't like these logos on TV shows, but I haven't bought those TV shows. I definitely don't like the idea of a logo on a product that I legally purchased because the holder of the copyright wants to advertise his website when other people illegally violate that copyright.

IMO, this is a situation where the innocent are being punished because of potential actions of the guilty.

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As an occassionally downloader of free pix, I know that I have very often gone to the site that was watermarked on the pic.

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As long as the movie is shot with it in mind (making sure that no important action is happening right there) I don't think it's that big of a deal.

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A visible watermark will hopefully make it easier for Jules to get the pirate's upstream service providers to shut them off via a DMCA action. These kinds of sites chew up a shitload of bandwidth, bandwidth that is not easily replaced when their providers pull the plug.

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Edited by - julesjordanvideo on 1/15/2003 1:41:53 AM

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Ultimately, it is of course Jules' choice. I'm not comfortable with opposing an artist's assertion of ownership and I'll just end by saying that whether or not the watermark goes ahead, I hope consumer rights and respect for the consumer factor heavily into the consideration.

There are alternative ways to combat piracy and I believe they should be tried before any method that impacts legal consumers.

Edited by - rieekan333 on 1/15/2003 1:58:48 AM

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GGG bottom tight.
Sattelite company top left
Then the Interactive sattelite feature button active top right.

Now that would be disturbing, but then to have those films broadcast on UK pay sattelite one might see pigs fly.

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Of course I understand why measures like these are being taken, I just hope it helps. I hate these fucking pirates, they ruin it for everybody.

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Edited by - M.B. on 1/15/2003 9:39:23 AM

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They only serve to remind you that NYPD Blue is on ABC. I see no problem, especially given your legitimate piracy concerns, to let folks know they are watching a Jules Jordan production.

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Edited by - Mr Web Reviews on 1/15/2003 10:14:06 AM

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Have you thought of legal action against those companies or P2P Users that pirate your Videos? I know it is costly but Anabolic recently stop a DVD Duplication plant for stop make illegal copies of it DVDs.

Also, have about having your DVD/Video for Sales only and not Rental? To prevent someone from rent your excellent DVD and then making an illegal copy and then sharing it with the world or create a website.

On most Rear Projected Television and new RP HDTV have burn in issue.

So if someone was to have a Jules Jordan DVD marathon with his new Watermarks, after a while it could damage a Rear Projected Television.

Granted it would take a while for it to cause a Burn-in effect.

That is why my HDTV-NonHDTV Rear Projected Televsion viewers did not watch any CNN channels or channels with a watermark or a ticker.

A clear watermark is okay better then a solid color logo.
You should pick a corner of the screen to place your watermark that is not near any action.

BTW the most TVs have a 7-10% Overscan where Computer Monitor do have any other scan.

BTW, Jules have you thought about making any of your DVDs in the 16:9 ratio (widescreen)

Have Evil Angel thought about using 5.1 Audio for your Video Shoots?

Later

Scarhappy

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I once saw a porn mixed in DD Surround, with the moans of the girl in front and the grunts of the guy in the BACK speakers. Horrid.

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Edited by - julesjordanvideo on 1/15/2003 11:50:08 AM

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Plus, we all know that you´re not stupid and you would never put a logo over Gauge´s arseholio. That would be un-american.

So, post the screengrabs so we can see it and THEN bash you!... No, just kidding!

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-just kidding :)

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But hey, how about subliminary messages instead of the watermark?

At regular intervals, you could put some frames of Belladonna´s bodacious butt with "Julesjordan.com" written in bold letters on each cheek. THAT would be cool!

Edited by - Planet Sex on 1/15/2003 12:00:07 PM

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But seriously, you've gotta do what you've gotta do. The only thing that's really sad is that people are immediately jumping on the idea without seeing it after how much care you've shown to all your movies. Do I like the idea? Not really, but from what I've seen you put a lot of care into most everything and listen to the people who watch your movies. There isn't much you can do with piracy that's feasable money-wise, so this seems like a practical move.

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Of course I'm still gonna buy your movies Jules, watermark or no watermark.

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---BIGmike, over and out!---

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First impression: I didn´t liked it as it is, but then it´s just a still image. Maybe with the moving picture (and Belladonna´s ass) we can forget the presence of the watermark.

But the good thing is that it can be easily fixed by pushing it more to the corner, and maybe lowering it a lil´ bit more. Transparency is good.

IMHO, a more compressed type font would be nicer. I´ve read somethere that the perfect watermark takes only 1/8 of the screen, but I´m not into tech stuff.

Edited by - Planet Sex on 1/15/2003 6:53:54 PM

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