But like Hardware, I'm definitely not your average North American porn consumer either.

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To get good heat in European situations usually requires having guys, and directors, who spend time around the girls, get to know them (and what they like/dislike sexually), and are able to make them feel comfortable, and who then film the sex in a small setting (maybe just the cameraperson and the performers, with the camera sometimes even operated by a performer).

Guys like Nacho, Ribas, and Manuel Ferrara are able to achieve what I just described, and now Erik Everhard has too. note that Everhard goes to Europe as often as possible, and by now has gotten to know some of the actresses and develop some rapport. And I shouldn't leave Christoph out of this, he shoots scenes that have just as many circus acts as those shot by certain other companies, but the spark is there because hefinds ways to make the women comfortable and the sex fun.

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If you're referring to parts of Eastern Europe, what you say might (might!) have some (some!) merit - but my guess is that you're just putting forward this wild, sweeping, over-generalised claim with no basis of experience to back it up.

Feminism and political correctness are rife over here (Western Europe) and to say that European "women especially young women fear and respect men, they are docile" is just plain laughable.

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So there are a lot of Canadian boys eh? Which ones are Canadian? I know that Erik Everhard and Brandon Irons are from Canada, who else? Are Canadian men good at having sex on film? Hmm...

I have recently developed an interest in the Euro vids. I don't like extreme stuff, but the Euro guys are usually better looking than the American guys. Many of them I would have sex with if I met them. Other than Evan Stone and a few other guys, there aren't that many American men that appeal to me. Some of the Euro women are very attractive too.

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There is quite a lot of teen-girl rebellion going on all over the former East Bloc. Party scene at downtown Moscow is mad these days! For many Russian and Ukrainian girls working in the sex industry is means to liberate themselfs. Its feminism without theory, I think.

For my own fuck I much prefer the wild bunch, in my new role as Adult Agent old-fashioned girls are sometimes easier to convince of acts they would never have immagined they exist. They are really good material for the ongoing quest for <virgins doing DAP>-kind of projects. Still the wild bunch takes less time to recruit and they are probabely less time-consuming to work with on set.

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Still, Mutt, I can see how you would get the idea that most Eastern European women were like this, based on what you see in Euro-porn films. This reminds me of the parallel situation of men in the Middle East watching ‘Baywatch’, and thinking all American women are lifeguards with breast implants who spend their days running around a beach looking beautiful. Not so realistic.

Now if someone would care to draw generalizations on European men versus American/Canadian men based only on porn films, I’d be more than willing to make my contributions .

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There seems to be very little chemistry in porn , full stop. And yes I agree there may be more in US produced porn , but ..... When Euro porn works , you get the best of both worlds . Gorgeous women giving their all for king and country . Now what more could you ask for ?

Edited by - Lee O on 10/4/2003 5:24:02 PM

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However in the past couple of years, it seems that there are more beautiful American porn chicks coming out of woodwork, and they pretty much do everything that the Euro girls do. I guess competition has to do with this, and maybe economy as well.

So now I watch 50% American and %50 euro flicks. God bless freedom of speech and porn -:)

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I still think American porn girls are better. And that's mostly because the American girls can communicate with me, no language or cultural barriers, and I can relate to them. I just got off the phone with this "Christy" chick, a pretty new porn girl from Canada. I liked hearing her talk about herself and the porn biz, cuz it's like talking to the girl who works at 7-11 or my neighbor's kid but instead of making small talk about the weather or school, she's telling me how she loves to masturbate all the time and she loves being with girls and she has a huge porn collection and her parents are behind her in her new career - interesting stuff all spoken in the voice of your typical bubbly teen chick - talks FAST!
now if it had been a 19 year old Czech porn chick I was talking to it would have been one or two word responses due to the language barrier spoken in a thick Eastern European accent. And if anybody says that accent is sexy ....... it ain't.

I'm ethnocentric I admit, America is the most ethnocentric country in the world. Many Americans think Canadians live in igloos and Canada shares the same border. Both Canada and the United States were settled by Europeans, all of them shared one thing in common - they wanted out of Europe.

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I have my girls telling me how they run away from home because they wanted to be free. How much they enjoy the feeling of selling men what they often wanna act out anyway. I finally just got a call of that Stella girl and she tells me she in her thick accent how she was abused by a bunch of drunken businessmen last night, how she feels like a really <dirty slut> after she let them shower her first with cum, than chanpaign and last piss. How she still got off during all that, how she lost count on all her orgasms and just cannot fall asleep now, because she is too sick and too randy still to go to bed. And than she proudly tells me, that they payed her 1000$ for all that...and how she wants to carry on as an escort in Kiev while working for West porn companies...and while I really have my doubts about her further career, I pump up the volume of a Bella fuck flick on my TV and I hear all her dirty talk that brings me together with her being analed by a huge black dick close to shoot it off. <Bye Stella, you're my best devushka, but go to sleep now>, I tell my once favorite Moscow escort I was so worried about all day...And watch Bella being showered with thick streams of cream finally. I will always be loyal to her, I will always hope she gets happy with Nacho at one time, and she finally breaks up at the second. And if now a producer form the States would ring me up here in Moscow, I had no problem explaining him why he'd better invest his money in Ukrainian girls at this very moment. I would talk about cost effectiveness, new models, new market demands... - all in his own language.

But let me assure you: As a porn consumer I need both: US-talent and the Euro-pool. I sell Ukrainian flesh, but I still proudly spot US porn actress Taylor Rain in my avatar.

Edited by - Shameless on 10/4/2003 8:39:14 PM

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I just read that America leads the industrialized nation in teen pregnancies and youngest age to have sex. That tells me something is off sexually in this country. I think whatever that something is shows up somehow in the porn. And part of that subconciously is what I'm picking up on and why I like foreign stuff better.

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I'm glad narrow minded content producers like yourself stick to the overused west coast US market. Leaves the rest of the world's talent to people who know their sh**.

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