Yeah, they all say they are "totally new to this" and "only 19" but I have my doubts.....

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I do like the way you think! Money is a prime motivator.

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After looking at the girls that I have seen doing anal that also appear in that series I would say there are more teens doing anal than you would think. Assuming of course that they are really teens like 2Big says.

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This is where the cafe of life serves us a slice of reality pie. I've never been fucked in the ass (and have no great aspirations in that dept) but I certainly would want to gain a little confidence in the comfort of my own home first before I would consider doing so on film. If you ask me 'how much for Jewel D'Nyle to fuck you on-screen' my price may be quite low (okay, very low ) but start including a ten inch strap-on in the mix and it becomes a different kettle of fish. Why should young women whose anuses are like mine, virginal minus a finger or so, feel any differently?

Having said all of this I do agree with Shameless inasmuch as, when I have seen rates for anal and non-anal, I am surprised at how small the differential is considering all the extra considerations and implications of the (beautiful) act.

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Right off the bat let me say no offense attended but I must respectfully disagree with your above quote.

Let me explain. First, I am in no way a shill for Anabolic, but this was the only series I know of that prints the supposed "real" ages of the girls right on the box cover. I thought that would be a quick way to see if your assumption about teen girls not doing anal right out of the gate was correct. For this discussion, if we assume that Anabolic has indeed printed the "correct" ages of the girls in the Bring Um Young series, here is a list of the ladies who are teenagers AND do anal - Jessie J., Shyla, Gauge, Bella Donna, Kacey, Aurora Snow, Monica Sweetheart, Kinky, Rochelle Devore, Sunrise Adams (??) Judy Star, Paris, Brook Ballentyne, Nickey Reed and Sabina Black.

Yeah I know that some of them aren't in the biz any more but there are quite a few "lookers" in that group and they all have done anal in TONS of releases.

I will agree that this group of ladies is a special breed and many of the newbies today keep the ass "off limits."

I want to add that Jenna Haze came on the scene with anal and she is hot as hell. I don't know her age however. You can also possibly add Ashly Blue, Jasmine Lynn and Angela Crystal to the list, however I don't know if any of these girls are under 20. Sorry!

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So they'll start with mainstream stuff, and as work becomes more difficult to find, slowly drift into ir, anal, double anal, gang bangs, and swallowing.

So to answer your question, it's smart for a new girl to put off anal as long as possible, if they're trying to stretch out (hehe) their career.

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But aren't we all idealistic idiots at that age?

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I mean, Giovanna takes two dicks in her ass in her THIRD scene and then splits! What is their motivation expect they like to fuck and push their sexual limits? The bigger question is how can I find these type of girls myself?

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Your bigger question: Offer them some money, too.

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And shameless, are you saying I need to pay for it to get laid?

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I really find it hard to believe all these girls are doing DAP for the love of the job or just to push their own sexual horizons - it just sounds far too good to be true.

Not all girls do porn just because they are sex loving nymphos but because they want to earn money. Not all girls like anal and, even for those that do, knowing you're going to get fucked in the ass by a couple of well hung guys every single time you go to work maybe isn't that appealing.

This is the crux of the issue as far as I'm concerned. Pinkincide lists some possible reasons but I would think for most it boils down to - 'do I have a relatively easy time of my working day or is each day going to be a potentially painful stressful challenge?'
If it's going to be the latter then it has to be worthwhile (although as some girls are much better as taking anal than others for them the premium can be set lower and it's still attractive.

Perhaps.
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Sure there are many negative reasons why girls get into porn (drug addiction, pimp boyfriends, etc.) but I have to believe that the bottom line for a teen girl to get DAP'd is because she LIKES it. The money is the gravy. Ah well, what do I know.

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In NN #35 she says in her pre-sex interview that she shot for somebody else before Ana/Dia. The interviewer asks if it was for the internet and she said no. So maybe there is some more Giovanna stuff out there not yet released.

Forgot to mention that after running a Yahoo search on her a while back (just for the hell of it) I found she is on a foot fetish website.

Edited by - Tom on 4/26/2003 12:43:50 PM

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I love how a bunch of fans are posting to this thread and offering their own arm-chair theories and pretending that they know more about the delicate business of this business than the producers do. When what it really boils down to is that the anal that IS present in some-odd 80%-90% of todays porn simply isn't enough for you.

Geez you guys. Is there not enough anal out there already to satisfy you all?

I know I must sound like a broken record, but not all fans are quite as anally obsessive as some of you seem to be. I don't delude myself into thinking that the women in this business aren't doing what they do primarily for the money, but the very nature of real sexuality and chemistry in porn requires a bit more than money... it requires a comfort level... and an understanding of what will and won't work for a specific performer. The full spectrum of porn just simply can't confine itself to monetary motivations. Otherwise it runs the risk of turning into a completely mechanical series of acts that cease to have any meaning whatsoever--and lord knows we seem to have too much porn like that already. Like it or not, not every girl is, or should be into anal, no matter what amount of salary structure is concocted, and those girls that do get into it need some time to do so. That's just my two cents. You can't have your cake and eat it too... you can't expect that every scene will have anal sex, and at the same time that every girl will be (or even act like she's) into it (which seems also to be a primary requirement when watching porn for most fans).

I'm not averse to anal--not in the least, but I do have problems with taking potential heat and chemistry out of a scene simply because there's heavy financial pressure laid down to perform specific acts. It's a supremely delicate balancing act that many porn producers perform extremely well. I can't imagine that many of them appreciate this kind of know-it-all criticism of their methods largely from a bunch of very anally biased fans who really don't know the business on the inside. Just take a second to note how many industry people are participating in this thread....

I for one am going to leave the porn production and business practices to those who actually know what they're doing. Sometimes I feel that it's a wonder the producers listen to their fickle fans at all. It must be maddening for them at times.

Just a dissenting opinion. Lord knows, I don't know shit either. :)

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I like anal scenes, but I also like a lot of other type of scenes as well. I like the variety that is available in porn.

One act, and one act only, in every scene could lead to a certain degree of boredom.

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Of course this issue boils down to personal taste in many cases. I realize that. So if you are happy with a girl who looks bored, distracted, or unhappy, but at least has a dick in her ass, then so be it. But my personal taste is for girls who have lust and passion in their eyes, and I follow the work of porn actors and directors who allow this to happen.

We also shouldn't forget that the sex ought to be fun for the guys as well. Many actors have reported that they prefer the feel of a pussy wrapping their cock to that of an anus. And when I look carefully at a DP, I understand what the actors mean when they say it usually requires uncomfortable contortions that kill the heat of a scene for them. It isn't something most people do for fun when having sex, which is why, for example, you'll rarely see DPs in the movies of Nacho and Toni Ribas. They are all about what is fun for both the girls and the guys, who together create an atmosphere of energy and excitement that can't be found in more conventional, highly directed porn. And again, I realize that what I just described is not to the taste of many viewers, but then again, I think there already is plenty that would be to the taste of those people (especially from A/D and RLD).

I'm sure some people are reading this and wondering, what the hell is he talking about? Porn is all fake, no one puts any effort into it, so if I'm going to watch crap product, at least I want to see some anal, even if the girl doesn't like it. If that IS how you feel, I would then suggest that you are watching the wrong movies. And if simply enjoy seeing anal, DP, DAP etc. above all else, I'll say again that, as Mike pointed out, there already exists plenty of porn with that. I think that in the long run, this thread is all about coming up with solutions to a problem that doesn't exist.

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I'm with Mike, Don and Speelie on this one.
Although I love seeing anal scenes, I don't have to see an anal scene to get turned on. And I would never be able to get turned on watching an anal scene that looks like the girl isn't enjoying herself.

Money is a big factor, but I would personally never try to BRIBE a girl with more money to entice her to do more than she is comfortable with. However, if a girl gets into the scene and would tell me, hey, I'm cool with the anal, let's go for it. Awesome. She gets a BIG raise. And we all get to watch an incredible scene!

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But a very common practice in the
Porno industry. When a girl says
she's 18 (usually with pigtails),
it's given she's probably actually
closer to 25. hehe

Laissez-faire!

All Porn Girls should do Anal (without condoms)!

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Do bear in mind the title of the thread is 'Why is anal not that popular for porn teens' and so the comments Jewel made are very relevent especially when people are giving evidence to the contrary based on girls who are 20+

My tastes coincide with yours here FOP, I'll take anal non-teens over non-anal teens anyday, but that's not really the question under discussion.

Porn Scout,
You make the porn industry sound like one giant anally obsessed cartel that breathes as one - as far as I'm aware it isn't and it isn't and it doesn't, so your goal is one that doesn't suit everybody and couldn't be contrived even if it did (IMHO).

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PS: I'd just generally like to add that I don't see the point of these MLyons inspired 'whats the point discussing this' comments. On these boards we discuss religion (without the Pope taking much notice I would have thought), politics (without world leaders altering their policies on our say so) and choice of pet (the kennel club is surely not holding its breath on the outcome). These boards are for discussion and if we all confine our posts solely to our own fields of expertise 90% of the posts would disappear (and 100% of mine )

kisses,
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I have to admit though, that there are some ridiculous "teen" series out there, with performers obviously over 18.

on another point, for most girls, teens included, if they are uncomfortble or unwilling to do anal, there is no amount of money you can pay to "get" them to do it. How good would it be anyway? Dont you wanna see a girl that is really into it?

I think it is great to be able to advertise 100% real teens, but damn, i know how long its taking me to put together trained teens 3, trying to make it with plenty of anal.

...and yes cris taliana really did just turn 18 when i shot her in flesh hunter 4....

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Hell now I've got Jewel D'Nyle and Jules Jordan disagreeing over my stupid little "Bring Um Young" list.

First, my original posts were to politely disagree with Porn Scout's observations about teenagers doing anal. I thought that the Anabolic teen series, where they print the ages on the box cover, would be a good place to quickly research ages. I even prefaced it by saying that I am assuming that they are the REAL ages. I never said they were legit and I wouldn't know anyway.

Second, To MLyons. I am not trying to start anything but I didn't know this site was only for porno producers and people in the industry. I thought it was also for consumers like me who watch and buy these products. My "arm-chair" opinions to Porno Scouts comments are as good as anybody's. Thanks to Sir Noel for supporting all posters and their opinions.

Third, I am not one of these ADT posters consumed with anal sex videos as your comments would tend to imply. As a matter of fact some of the girls getting me off lately are Charley Laine, Mandy Starr, Mandy Lee and Veronica Lace and I don't think you'll see them with a cock anywhere near their asses anytime soon.

Fourth, you are right that Tricia, Jewel, Jewels Jordan and other industry folks, who have been kind enough to post with us, sure as hell know what the story is, even if they can't agree either.

To MLyons, I apologize if my comments appear combative. I've vented and now re-thought my words. As far a Jenna Haze. I started seeing her in videos around the summer/fall of 2001. How long did Jewel say she's been shooting her? Didn't Jenna say in her Joey Silvera shoot that it was her first one??

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Let's not start reacting against things I didn't say. My post was not directed to any specific person, at no time did I say that fan's opinions aren't welcome here (if that were the case I would have had to shut up long ago), and finally just so everyone is clear I was not speaking as a moderator in any way! :) I refuse to censor my thoughts about things just because I wear that hat.

I admit that I might have gone too far to suggest that it's silly to debate this topic when most of us really don't know what's behind the curtains in this business (although I didn't exactly say that), but hey.. we all have our faults, and I have some strong opinions about this (and other) topic(s) that can all too easily cloud my objectivity. I do apologize for that, but I still stand by my comments, and really, they're just my stupid comments. They weren't an attack. We're all friends here, I hope, and a little healthy, irrational subjectivity now and then never hurt anyone.

Mike L.

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Well, maybe my dwelling on unknown newbies, Giovanna, my dislike of Angel and Ashley Long and my disgust for Ed Powers' post-prodution skills may lump me into that category after all.

For that matter, add my disgust of Ed's pre-production skills, his lighting and his pre-sex rap/interview of the babes as well.

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I dont like anal all the time, too. Watch that Barbarells-scene in Superfuckers 12, I already related to(reed Speelies review about it!), and tell me: Do you really want to see such an act on a girl who is that obviousely at pain and not into it at all? BUT that is not the question. And besides everybody tries everything once for the first time.
So the question is, WHEN is this first time. And WHY is it so late.

If youlisten to Jewel it is easy to say why: Jewel boasts about to be one of the only directors to have real teens in their teeny series, and that fact alone lets her keep anal at second place, even she knows how popular it is.
Probabely it is like Porn Scout - who knows much more about porn production in West than me - says: <Teen> implies no anal; thus only solution is getting away from teen-fixation.

Frankly speaking, I dont care about <Teen>-label as well. I think it is silly label, I dont want girls in pigtails, school-skirts and barefoot, dressed like 12 year-olds. Seems Porn-Scout is right: <Teen> is American obsession.
But what I want is new faces, and new girls trying to do anal as soon as possible. Just trying. If they dont like it, thy shall leave it (see Barbarella-example above).
So: call it teen, call it something else, I just wonder why they dont try anal and I think it is because of price structure (actually payed only a bit more than pussy, I thin anal is very cheep this way for producers, too cheap!!!). And I dont want somebody like MyLyons telling us who discuss about act he does not like so much as others, we were just stupid people discussing about something we did not know. (Do you have porn-insider-knowledge test for us to pass ready, already, MyLyons? )

And just to end long post: Speelie, I dont think we discuss problem that does not really exist. If so, why than there is no single anal in PX <Teens Revealed>? I dont want watch anal all the time, but I would like to have possibility to watch it, if I feel like watching it. And if I dont like it, I just <FF> trough or even better skip to nexr dvd-chapter. Hope this makes sense.

So, to sum all up: Why is anal payed only a small percentage more than pussy only?

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There is a RLD film with Taylor Rain where the director comments that it is her 7th anal scene in as many days (or something like that). Now that's pretty serious assfucking especially given these guys are all well hung and penetration goes on for quite a while. Now, I don't know the exact pay structures of the people she had filmed for but why would she have 7 'difficult' days work if for only slightly less she could have 7 much easier days earnings (she must have been sore by the end of that week)? Could it be that if she didn't do anal she wouldn't have been able to secure so much work in such a short time?

Just a thought.
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I do like the Barbarella observation, she's one of a number of actresses (Vanessa/Nikolette, is another example) who tried anal for Woodman, and didn't like it, therefore not doing it in other movies.

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Of Barbarella I know only that Superfuckers #12 scene, but it looks like a good decision of her not to do anal anymore. (It is a pity, she does not like it, though).

Besides: I liked your SF12-review very much.

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I characterized this as a problem earlier only in the context of the discussion at hand. I'm pretty sure that the industry as a whole doesn't recognize it as a problem or we'd hear more about it. Of course, if it was me making the porn production decisions, I would definitely think it's a problem. I'd be frustrated as hell by it. But maybe that's just me and maybe it's only because I'm obsessed with the idea hot women taking it in the ass.

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I've never been a fan of teen movies. First off, they generally aren't teens. Second, there is nothing that looks quite as silly as an adult porn star trying to dress and babble like a pre-pubescent school girl. I mean, in some ways this whole braids and school girl clothing on girls with AA tits is a little repulsive, so adding anal to the mix just doesn't really cut it in my book.

OTOH, seeing some new girls to the industry show up and shake things about is a really good event. I love it when new hotties start to show up on the scene. I remember when I first saw Shyla and Jenna and Austin and Taylor and... you get the point.

As far as anal goes, I don't find it to be a necessity... after all variety is the spice of life. I've ripped more than one movie in my reivews for taking a formulaic approach to a film. But, in all honesty, I frequently feel a little let down when I watch a scene with a hot little honey, particularly when the flic is from a studio known for lots of anal, and the girl doesn't get sodomized. I mean honestly... who among you has watched Krystal Steal in a Jules flic and hasn't felt at least a little perturbed that she didn't take it in the amazingly sweet bunghole of hers!

So, as I said in post #2 of this thread... Shameless, I like how you think!

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Shyla was 19 when she first got into the biz, but i think anabolic just put out one of her first scenes in bring um young #12. Shyla sure looks alot different these days...

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