Why guys finish by masturbating in 90% of movies?

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ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:16PM Why guys have an orgasm by masturbating in 90% of endings? Why would someone stop a girl from giving a blowjob just before an orgasm? would take a dick from her mouth, took girl’s hand of his dick and finish by masturbating himself? It seems pretty abnormal and unnatural to me. Such a turn off. I am curious, does any agrees with me, or it just me? Pleasure is a state of mind... [Link]
horny_1 Member Cali 215 Posts 8/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:18PM Probably cuz of the big V! [Link]
M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:20PM I agree. Why not have the girl blow the guy to completion, or if that's not possible, have the girl jerk the guy off for the money shot. I just don't understand why a guy wouldn't want the girl to get him off, after all that is the whole point of having sex, is it not? [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:24PM May be there is a legal issue. May be if guy masturbates and a girls does not finish him that consider to be some sort of massage, and it has different legal ramifications? :) [Link]
lindi Senior Member 12345 3205 Posts 9/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:29PM Sometimes it looks to me like the girl doesn't know how to get a guy off with her mouth or hands. And sometimes I think that the guys have trained themselves to stay hard for an hour or two, through anything, and the cue that releases them is their own habitual stroking pattern. It would be nice to see some 'natural' blowing and swallowing. But that also raises the question of why nobody believes that it's possible for a woman to suck off a guy into her mouth and swallow, unless the viewer sees the cum. Which leads to the showing of a mouth cavern full of cum, with a view of all her fillings. [Link]

dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:31PM It's not a legal issue, but I've been complaining about this very thing for a long time. Some of it has to do with time constraints. Some of it has to with the porn guys so used to doing it that way, it's the only way they can get off. Some of it has to do with no one complaining about it too much, so keep complaining! [Link]
Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:32PM I think, to be honest, it's because either, he's struggling to come to cue without taking matters into his own hands, or it is to reduce the likelihood of cum-dodging. Given most of these fellas have made 50 billion scenes each (the lucky lucky bastards) and the girls are, more often as not, a lot newer to the business, these guys are the ones who know exactly what the camera needs to see and what the director will expect. I agree with you though, when the girl loves come and is visually minded, to see the girl wank the guy off is ten times better. What really llove is to see the fella come inside the girls mouth and then see it flood out the sides: nice [Link]
Yani Z Vizual Films 179 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:40PM Hey I asked the guys if they can pop from a position! And yes 9 out of 10 times they can't! I don't get it! What really throws me is that they don't even want the girl touching them sometimes. NO its has nothing to do with it being legal or not. Hmm someone said it's the big "V" is that what it does, makes it harder to pop? Yani [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:44PM Surpassingly, every one I talked to agreed with me and complained about that same issue. It seems like free-market paradox and that supply-demand law does not apply here. Especially when you buy movie with emphasis on blowjob (e.g. “Blowjob #1” etc.), and in every ending producer makes a guy to masturbate at the end without girl even touching a dick! Why just call movie “Masturbation #1” instead of “Blowjob #1” [Link]
Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:49PM If you've seen how a sex scene is actually filmed, it's not surprising. Not only do you have all of the people standing around watching, but you have to change positions, pose for hardcore stills, and have sex (with frequent breaks) for around an hour. A lot of the time there's a transition shot that ties the action to the cumshot. What you don't see is several minutes of the guy jerking off to get to the point of popping. I'm not saying that a more "natural" ending doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen that often. - Saki [faqs] [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:56PM Ilex, I can't search, it doesn't work for me, but if you'll search this forum for an old thread I started called "I can't take it anymore!" you'll see many posters agree. [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:58PM Isn’t up to director to decide where guy should come? Ok, let the gay masturbate, but make a girl to take dick into her hands at least a second before he cums. I think producers do not relays demand for that. [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 2:59PM dumblonde, I will look for it dumblonde wrote: Ilex, I can't search, it doesn't work for me, but if you'll search this forum for an old thread I started called "I can't take it anymore!" you'll see many posters agree. Click to expand [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 3:02PM Yes, it's up to the director, but it's also up to us to let them know that this is not acceptable. I also agree with lindi, I do NOT always need to see it to believe it. In fact, this insistance on always having to see it ruins it in many cases. [Link]
Cyberchicken Member 900 Posts 4/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 3:08PM Look at how many facials are off target even when the guy is doing the aiming. If girls finished off the guys, you'd have a lot more misses, many of them intentional. Can you imagine shooting Swallow My Pride or Down The Hatch or Feeding Frenzy, if the guys couldn't use their own hands? It would be impossible. Cyberchicken [Link]

dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 3:23PM I would think that even a facial would come out better if the girl was allowed to do the finishing, intead of sitting there with her eyes closed or fluttering. [Link]
menace Member Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:05PM In the earlier volumes of "Shut Up & Blow Me" it's much more typical to see the girl finish the guy off manually. I'd also prefer to see it done this way. Some girls have the knack for it. But, as lindi remarked, many girls seems to not know how to jerk a guy off to orgasm. I think they have no clue about men's orgasms. More often than not, the girl stops jerking as soon as the guy starts to come (right in mid-orgasm)-NOT GOOD. [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:12PM Girls might not know, but we are talking about multibillion dollar porn industry. I am pretty sure that producers would take care of the lessons. menace wrote: But, as lindi remarked, many girls seems to not know how to jerk a guy off to orgasm. I think they have no clue about men's orgasms. More often than not, the girl stops jerking as soon as the guy starts to come (right in mid-orgasm)-NOT GOOD. Click to expand [Link]
Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:13PM This is yet another point of porn contention that I just don't see much in the movies I watch. I read lots of complaints about guys finishing themselves, but guys like Nacho, Toni Ribas and their associates (Dennis Marti excepted) generally either pull out of a pussy/ass just in time to shoot, or they let the girl(s) suck and stroke them off. These are the same movies that I also keep praising for intimacy, kissing, energy, enthusiasm, and so on. [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:18PM Isn't it possible that it's less about what the girls know and more about what the guys know about their own bodies and what it takes to get off on cue. I'm sure it works the other way around, too. If a woman had to climax for real, she'd more than likely take matters into her own hands at the appropriate moment (or just grab the guy's ears and use his face). [Link]
BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:19PM Edited due to stupidity, will answer later.. ---BIGmike's AEE Adventure (photos from) thread --- Edited by - BIGmike on 2/28/2003 4:20:21 PM [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:20PM Girls in the porn industry not knowing how to jerk a guy off? This isn't exactly rocket science we're talking about! btw ilex, you might like the Hand Job Hunnies series. The girls do ALL the work, you won't even see the guy's hands. Or mugs, for that matter. Edited by - dumblonde on 2/28/2003 4:25:44 PM [Link]
menace Member Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:22PM ilex wrote: Girls might not know, but we are talking about multibillion dollar porn industry. I am pretty sure that producers would take care of the lessons. You'd sure think so. But of all the bj movies I've seen, the "Shut Up & Blow Me" series seems to be one of the few in which the girls were properly directed in how it's done. Most of the time I find myself talking to the tv & saying "girl, keep stroking, damnit!" [Link]
menace Member Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:28PM dumblonde wrote: Girls in the porn industry not knowing how to jerk a guy off? This isn't exactly rocket science we're talking about! Click to expand No db-more like "jet" science [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:31PM Thank you! I definitely will buy it tonight. I've been trying to find “normal” one for quite some time. But of all the bj movies I've seen, the "Shut Up & Blow Me" series seems to be one of the few in which the girls were properly directed in how it's done. Click to expand [Link]

Yani Z Vizual Films 179 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:38PM Thanks for the look out Big Mike! But I was just typing it in like Horny_1 Saki wrote: If you've seen how a sex scene is actually filmed, it's not surprising. Not only do you have all of the people standing around watching, but you have to change positions, pose for hardcore stills, and have sex (with frequent breaks) for around an hour. A lot of the time there's a transition shot that ties the action to the cumshot. What you don't see is several minutes of the guy jerking off to get to the point of popping. ___________________________________________________________ This might be true but since I'm the only one on set and I worked with these guys so many times that they know what I want, there isn't that many breaks. Its as real as I can make it! So why can't they pop without doing it them selves! On the subject on Kissing. I just started having the pleasure of watching porn. But I notice no kissing! Even when I ask the talent to kiss they seem to turn white and really quit. Is there kissing in porn and I just haven't seen it yet? Yani Edited by - Yani Z on 2/28/2003 4:39:00 PM [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:47PM Yani Z writes: "Is there kissing in porn and I just haven't seen it yet?" I agree with you, there is no real passion, just thrusting of genitals. I would love to hear more talking as well. Dirty talking, whisper in his ear, whatever, just show some connection, more tease and body contact. [Link]
menace Member Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 4:55PM ilex wrote: Thank you! I definitely will buy it tonight. I've been trying to find “normal” one for quite some time. ilex-I can't vouch for all of them. Some I've sold so I can't take a look. I did take a quick look at Vol 1 & it looked like about 1/2 were girl finishes. Vol 15 looks like almost ALL are girl finishes. I still have 3 other volumes I still own & would be glad to check them. I'll edit this post so you can check back later. ilex-I checked Vol 2 & 7. I forgot that Vol 8 has some mastering problems that spoils the 1st half of the flick so don't even bother with it! Vol 2-all but 3-4 are girl finishes. Vol 7-all but 4-5 are girl finishes. Also, I see that 5 Star has a great sale on some vols (17-18-19). I've not seen them but they should follow the same routine-since "Gusher Mike" directs them. Edited by - menace on 2/28/2003 5:24:25 PM [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:08PM alright, i've seen this topic too many times, i've got to respond... Given the chance female talent can "destroy" a great cumshot. They can stop jerking, cover the tip so you blast in her hand, aim your dick to their tits, side, etc. One of the great things about the cumshot is, its truly unpredictable, probably the only thing thats very spontaneous. [Link]
BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:13PM Yani...Thanks for the look out Big Mike! So I guess you saw what I said before I realized it was my bad? Anyway, onto the topic... I don't mind if the guy pulls out and has to get it in place, and give it one last tug to it's destination, cum to mouth. But I don't particularly care to watch a guy whacking it for more than a few seconds to pop. ---BIGmike's AEE Adventure (photos from) thread --- [Link]
lindi Senior Member 12345 3205 Posts 9/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:35PM julesjordanvideo said Given the chance female talent can "destroy" a great cumshot. They can stop jerking, cover the tip so you blast in her hand, aim your dick to their tits, side, etc. Click to expand That sounds so incompetent. Why even let them in the movie at all? How about getting more-experienced girls? Handjob School? Blowjob School? -------------------------------------------------------- Edited by - lindi on 2/28/2003 5:36:38 PM [Link]
ilex Member Florida, USA 10 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:49PM thanx menace What is URL for "5 Star"? Also, I see that 5 Star has a great sale on some vols (17-18-19). I've not seen them but they should follow the same routine-since "Gusher Mike" directs them. Click to expand [Link]
Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:55PM Mr Jordan wrote: Given the chance female talent can "destroy" a great cumshot. They can stop jerking, cover the tip so you blast in her hand, aim your dick to their tits, side, etc. Click to expand I quite understand your point. That said, given the focal nature of the cumshot I am surprised (especially when dealing with girls who speak good english) that you don't discuss this with them. I would have thought reasonably experienced girls (movie wise) who aren't known to be 'cum shy' can surely be trusted to do the business. There really is something very erotic about watching a girl shake hot white coconuts from the veiny love tree and see her just keep going as relish is flying all around. You produce very arousing and at times intense porn with quite a lot of connectivity between those involved; to see the girl doing the wanking just carries this through to the end. I understand your reservations but perhaps this is a potential scene option that should be given greater consideration than it presently receives. Sir Noel. [Link]
vanish_062 Member 146 Posts 1/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:55PM ilex wrote: thanx menace What is URL for "5 Star"? Also, I see that 5 Star has a great sale on some vols (17-18-19). I've not seen them but they should follow the same routine-since "Gusher Mike" directs them. Click to expand Click to expand www.fivestardvd.com [Link]
menace Member Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 5:57PM ilex-5 Star is an ADT sponsor-& they also participate in the kickback program. Just do a search for the titles here in ADT & click the 5Star logo. Better yet, join the kickback program 1st-then click thru the "buy thru kickback link". There's also a link to 5Star & the othr sponsor stores at the bottom of each page of ADT. Edited by - menace on 2/28/2003 6:02:33 PM [Link]

dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 6:13PM Again, this is not rocket science, for Christssakes! Jules, you gotta do something about this problem, please. [Link]
Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 6:13PM Yani, I stand by what I wrote, Nacho, Toni Ribas and Christoph Clark have plenty of kissing in their movies, and I find it erotic as hell. Soemtimes I rewind and replay the kissing moments more than any other part of the movies. [Link]
futureofporn Member 658 Posts 1/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 6:31PM Its good when you want to have control, and blast a yummy facial all over a good face, or if you want to point the cumblast right into her mouth for a tasty swallow. I have no problem with it. [Link]
Yani Z Vizual Films 179 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 6:45PM Speelie cool!!! Which title are these been looking for that kind of stuff. I just haven't found any yet! Jules is right! If the girl takes control of the penis it takes only tilt to make it shoot someplace else. I Don't care if you paid her 5 times as much she will still do it to save her make up and say "oooppss you missed" and just smile at you! What you going to do not hire these girls and only have 5 porn girls in industry. But isn't that the point in cumming in a girls face because it's kind've not aloud and girls don't like it? Anyways that what I was told. Wow just came back and this topic blow up! [Link]
Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 8:04PM I recommend Beautiful Girls 7 and Hardcore Innocence 6 as two recent movies with plenty of kissing and passion, along with at least some of the guys not finishing themselves [Link]
hitman Member 42 Posts 12/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 9:36PM As long as the jizz gets everywhere and is messy i'm happy! I actually prefer the "no hands" cumshot that peter has done in Amazing Sex Talk (i think) with nikki tyler, and one other one he did with jewel in a north pole. Kind of interesting to watch, must be mind control. [Link]
lindi Senior Member 12345 3205 Posts 9/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 9:40PM As sb says, it's not rocket science. Any girl who has had sex with a busload of guys ought to know by now to keep a firm pressure and stroke to milk the cumshot. It's, like, a one-minute demo. If she doesn't know, it's because everybody always took the dick away from her at the last minute. Imagine that, how many guys she has to have sex with before somebody trusts her to get a guy off. It's not jet science either - any 12 year old boy can do it. You'd think a sexy 20 year-old woman could. They pay more for anal, double anal, etc - just add another tier to the pay scale for how much extra if it's a good facial (translation = a significant dock in pay if it's not). Or the guy, feeling close to cumming, can place his hand over hers and guide it gently to wherever it needs to splat. Come to think of it, maybe the reason the aim is off so much when guys do it is that they are sort of out-of-control when they are cumming. Maybe the girls, with proper financial incentive (if that's what it takes - jeez!) can do a better job. [Link]
menace Member Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02	Posted - Feb 28 2003 : 11:43PM One more comment on this subject. Obviously, all men’s external basic “equipment” is pretty much the same, but, there are certainly differences in each man’s length, girth, & relative “looseness” of the skin of the penis. With experience, a woman learns to use the correct amount of pressure & length of stroke for her man. I’ve had (most) women want to grip too hard &/or to pull too much (on either the up or down stroke). A too-hard squeeze or too long of a stroke can really hurt! I’m sure there are guys who like a hard grip, though I prefer just enough pressure to make the skin slide properly. For me, this more closely simulates vaginal pressure. We don't all have the same preferences. As I said earlier, I also would prefer to see the woman finish the guy off. Still, jacking a guy off may not be rocket (or “jet”) science, but it’s slightly more complicated than just yanking on a guy’s member like it’s a rubber hose! Edited by - menace on 3/1/2003 7:12:49 AM [Link]
MessyMarvin Member Atlanta 44 Posts 2/03	Posted - Mar 1 2003 : 12:37AM I agree with dumblonde and the others that the female should at least be involved in the pop shot. I can also see Jules point about the cumshot being off the mark. The problem is that quite a bit of porn these days is dealing with younger, inexperienced girls. There are several girls that I can think of off the top of my head that can handle a dick better than most males, but who wants to see the same girls in every movie? There are several issues involved here. The male has his own way of getting to orgasm, and the girl might throw his rhythm off. There is also a sensitivity issue involved that most of the inexperienced (and many experienced) women are not aware of. The dick gets very sensitive during orgasm. The male knows just how to control this (thru years of practice, both solo and otherwise). But don't take the girl's hand off or fucking jack off for a half-hour. That absolutely kills the heat of the scene. Guide the girl, let her help. The male can put their hand over the girls, both for guidance of white projectiles and for keeping the rhythm the guy wants. There is no bigger buzzkill than watching a guy slam his fist into his flopping balls for any long period of time. Every man has a different way of getting to orgasm, which produces the strongest orgasm and the greatest pleasure. If the women learn this thru male teaching, they will know better the next time they do a scene. And the males should learn at least a couple of ways to cum. That is their job! Jules, I can appreciate that you want every scene to be perfect, but at least think about letting the girls do the work or at least the males letting the girls help. It only increases the perfection of the sceen. I'm sure you agree that watching someone like Belladonna (with her two-handed technique) jack a guy off is beautiful to watch! I could almost come from just that. Technique that good only comes from knowledge and practice. "Linger on your pale blue eyes" -Velvet Underground [Link]
cal444 Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com 927 Posts 10/01	Posted - Mar 1 2003 : 9:24AM Bottom line on this subject is the cum dodger syndrome. If you leave it to the girl she'll, avoid it like it was the plauge. Guaranteed! Cal444 Someewhere [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Mar 1 2003 : 12:35PM When a director knows how to take charge, or is willing to take the time, the results are amazing. Mike Quasar doesn't seem to have a problem getting some of the prettiest girls in the biz to get the guys off, and by the way the guys holler, they love it, too. Here he's telling Mike Adam something like he doesn't give a shit, those girls are making good money. If they can't even manage a hand job, get a REAL job. That's how you do it! Edited by - dumblonde on 3/1/2003 7:34:39 PM [Link]
Hamilton Steele Member 62 Posts 12/02	Posted - Mar 1 2003 : 10:45PM Ok here is my response, There is no one single factor as to why most men jerk to a pop. But the majority of the time it comes down to what the male needs to bring him over. Pornstuds are not your normal men. When we fuck it takes alot of energy and control over our cock in order to keep it hard. For the video Lost Hienie I had to keep an errection for 2.5 hours before I was allowed to pop. The director, Veronica Hart, asked me if I could fuck from the anal to a pop and spew all over Kelly's ass. However after 2.5 hours my cock was still rock hard but alot of sensitivty was lost. I attempted for 5 mins to fuck to a pop and the speed and power of the thrust I needed was only causing Kelly pain. We would have been there all night, so I looked up at Veronica said, "Sweetie, I need to take care of this myself." The crew took their positions, went dead silent, so I could concentrate, and apx 2 mins later I blew my load. Of course they are only going to film the last few seconds before I shot.. can you imagine how boring it would be to leave in 2 mins of a dead silent jerk-off? And I've worked beside many of the male talent. No two of us are exactly alike and not every combination of male-female coupling is going to be "magical chemistry" and each director/vidographer demands different things. If you ask me, most of the time getting the right mix of these 3 ingrediants is very difficult. As such, the majority of porn vids will end with a guy jerking to a pop. Hamilton Steele http://www.Hamiltonsteele.net Edited by - Hamilton Steele on 3/1/2003 10:50:22 PM [Link]
The Wanderer All-Star Member 192 Posts 6/00	Posted - Mar 2 2003 : 8:08AM Of course they are only going to film the last few seconds before I shot.. can you imagine how boring it would be to leave in 2 mins of a dead silent jerk-off? Click to expand The problem is, they often do leave in the whole two minutes. I understand the reasons why male performers need to deliver the pop shot in this way. What I fail to understand is why so much of it is included in the finished product. Why don’t editors cut straight to the pop shot, without the entire unnecessary build-up? I can only conclude that most porno editors have no fucking idea what they are doing. [Link]
Remi_Charnel Member Los Angeles 12 Posts 1/03	Posted - Mar 2 2003 : 12:21PM The problem is, they often do leave in the whole two minutes. I understand the reasons why male performers need to deliver the pop shot in this way. What I fail to understand is why so much of it is included in the finished product. Why don’t editors cut straight to the pop shot, without the entire unnecessary build-up? I can only conclude that most porno editors have no fucking idea what they are doing. Click to expand Nah, its just that most porno editors are under nearly impossible deadlines and are overworked. I've heard of some editors pushing twenty hour days inside editing bays. Also, it depends on the way a cameraman and director shoot the sex and the pop. If oyu have a director that is fond of transitions (or a company that insist on getting transitions for every position) its harder to cut down the jerk off without making it look really cheesey. I just wonder why popshots are such a big deal anyway. I never got that whole 'love me, love my precious bodily fluids' thing. I really don't need to see the beauty of the male orgasm on somebody's tits. To me it just looks goofy. All the girlfriends and one nighters I've never just randomly pulled it out and sprayed it on her face, or tits. My 2 cents. R [Link]
Mythsong Member 306 Posts 8/02	Posted - Mar 2 2003 : 11:01PM FWIW (and I feel like I'm beating the proverbial dead horse here), the old classics had far less emphasis on the men masturbating, and much more on "natural" ejaculation. People were the same back then (biologically speaking) as they are now so the only explanation can be that attitudes towards how things "should be done" have changed within the industry, and almost certainly this would be by the directors and/or producers. (Or there's some kind of audience that prefers things as they are now, which precipitated the change - but judging from the reaction here I find that hard to believe.) [Link]
Hamilton Steele Member 62 Posts 12/02	Posted - Mar 3 2003 : 11:24AM Mythsong wrote: FWIW (and I feel like I'm beating the proverbial dead horse here), the old classics had far less emphasis on the men masturbating, and much more on "natural" ejaculation. People were the same back then (biologically speaking) Click to expand [bold] We might have been the same biologically but the circumstances making a porn are much different.[/bold] If you talk with any of the old school directors they will tell you that the golden age of porn was a nightmare. People had to meet in super market parking lots and drive to an unknown location. I've heard that some went as far as to post look-outs with walkie talkies so they could warn everyone when law enforcement was on their way. Crews would scramble to pack equipment and take off before they got caught. With that said, everything was fine until the clothes came off. Whatever footage and whatever angle the director could get was all he was going to get. There was no luxuary of time, the longer people were fucking the greater the risk. And the pornstud was under a ton of pressure. I once spoke to an old school performer and he looked me in the eye and said, "We could get it up in those days but the air was so tense that sometimes you didn't last very long and for the most part the director wanted it over with as quickly as possiable." Now if the public wants more natural ejaculation, I'll be the first to sign on for it. However, I'm sure we would start to have people complaining about "lack of footage." Because speaking as a pornstud, there is no way anyone is going to be able to get me to fuck at high energy for over an hour and expect me to finish from just a blow job. Hamilton Steele www.hamiltonsteele.net [Link]