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Walter Burns
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Posted - Dec 25 2002 : 2:35PM
A combination of circumstances lead me to question myself regarding my "loyalty" to porn stars over the years. There were threads started here and in rame concerning pornstars in their pre and post boobjob periods; girls "fattening up or out" (Jewel De Nyle and Tracey Adams come to mind); and then there is the fate of Christy Canyon in the poll held by Speedy.
We all know how porn stars can change during their careers (just look at Kylie Ireland) and I wonder if these changes have an effect on their popularity or the relation to their devoted fans.
This question really hit me when I was downloading some pictures of Shelbee Myne. I had forgotten that I really liked her when she started out, in flicks such as Butt Row Swallowed with the Girls of Hooker U. and Fresh Meat 5: Sweetness Turns to Filth . Some of the pictures I downloaded, reminded me of why I originally liked her very much. Check out these 2 pictures:

Compare these with how she looks now:

Is there anyone who likes her more now? I can't imagine this at all.

I don't think this is just a question of the girls getting older or getting fake boobs or getting over exposed. I genuinely would like to find out if a make-over has an influence on a porn star's potential (of course it has, but how and why and when).
What I am asking for, I guess, is for fans to speak up why they suddenly stopped liking a particular girl or started liking her more than before. I would also like to know if there are girls that changed their looks without losing or gaining more appeal for you.

Let me illustrate with another example. I have always liked Jeanette Littledove. In opposition to Shelbee Myne above, it didn't really matter how she looked. For instance, I really can't tell you if I like her more in this picture from 1985:

or in this picture from 1987:

Could you please give examples like these and explain why the change did (like Shelbee's did for me) or didn't (like Jeanette Littledove's didn't for me) have any effect on you.

Topic Moved by - Bill on Dec 25 2002

Cyberchicken
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900 Posts
4/02
Posted - Dec 25 2002 : 7:16PM
Well this might sound cruel, but porn can age a girl real fast. Just look at a girl first starting out, and then check her out again, after she's done 70 or 80 movies. She'll probably look several years older, and a great deal more skanked out. I prefer the fresh natural look, and hate hate hate the fake boobs stripper look, and unfortunately, most porn girls end up looking like burnt out strippers no matter how fresh and cute they were at the beginning of their career.

Cyberchicken

T Mac
Member

166 Posts
1/03
Posted - Jan 12 2003 : 5:24AM
Yeah, that's kinda why I like Gauge so much. She already looks totally skanky, so I know she can only get better from here. I agree w/what you said. There's nothing worse than seeing "roast beef clit" after a girl's been in the biz for a few years. Personally, I don't mind implants, but they need to look natural. As long as they don't stand out, they're great. Good examples are Jenteal, Taylor Hayes and actually Jenna Jameson's look great.
Druber
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187 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 12 2003 : 8:59AM
Barely remembering Shelbee Myne, I think the middle picture is by far the worst. How she looks now is as ok to me as the first picture. To me she looks basically just older (and therefore not as cute anymore) now.
What really counts for me is performance (does she still do the raincoater-friendly stuff I wanna see?) and presentation (i.e. your pic 1 with her being fucked in her pussy does not convince an anal-freak like me much). Presentation in fact can change a lot even in the same few casting months.
Take Laura Angel for example: I just re-watched her scene in Please #4 (1999) and comparing how she is presented by Private in the same period, once again I realized the use of a good make-up artist behind the set. (I still did enjoy Lauras more natural look a lot in PLease#4 of course - how could I possibly not enjoy a Laura Angel dp...!)

To sum up: To me its a lot more than age and boobjob that counts. And with still photographs I tend to be more picky than watching them actually performing.

Druber

cubesnake
Senior Member

3858 Posts
10/02
Posted - Jan 13 2003 : 5:33AM
Hi,

This answer is to no one in particular. Porn (imho) is fantasy stuff for the viewer. He or she gets to
see fantasy one can-not or may-not be able to experience him/her self. Sometimes i wonder if
the actors are really into the stuff they are doing onscreen or are they just late with their bills.
Keep in mind they are still human beings not some cyber-created-fuckmeat !

They work their brains out to deliver what the audience (or at least what the producer/filmmaker
thinks the audience wants) wants to see. And after they reach a certain point they are nothing more
than waste ? There are quite enough tragedies bundled with porn (search the net for stories about porn
stars and their life). Often enough they are people like you and me trying to make a living. Mabye
they get ´convinced´ to to this or that and in the end they even may end up alone with no one ... and
no self-esteeme. I doubt it if any male would like to get fucked over and over again (not literally)
and then being dumped away.

A little more respect for people in general wouldn´t hurt too much would it ?

cube

 
Druber
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187 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 14 2003 : 5:28AM
Now, finally we have morals and PC-talk invading ADT, too.
Thanks for your concern, cubesnake.
But the clue lays in your word fantasy, imho. Porn girls on dvd are pixelized electronically converted viewers fantasies. Sure its not real life and sure there are people/human beings behind those productions.
But watching porn I simply do not care, how those girls feel doing that on set. Wanna hear it: Yes, I wanna watch well presented fuckmeat.

I am not the one that falls in love with a porn girl. Instead I ask for performance and I am willing to pay for that, in oder to have my fantasy on dvd. If the performers can consequently pay off there bills, even better.

Druber

Walter Burns
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IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no.
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Posted - Jan 14 2003 : 9:50AM
Why are you shouting?

This discussion has nothing to do with the question I was asking. If this thread is developing the way it is now, I would like to see it closed by the moderators.
If you want to discuss this topic further, start a new thread.

Edited by - Walter Burns on 1/14/2003 9:51:34 AM

Druber
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187 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 14 2003 : 10:12AM
My excuses, Walter. I did not mean to shout at all, the fat letters appeared somehow on the screan after posting. Would love to get rid of them again.

I am also sorry to direct your post, which I found very interesting in a direction not intended by your post. Probabely I just got too upset by rame-PC-talk invading ADT, imho.

Maybe the moderators can seperate this tread. Or I can try to start a seperate discussion.

My appologies again!

Druber

Walter Burns
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Posted - Jan 14 2003 : 11:20AM
No problem.

I guess the problem started with cubesnake. While he raises some valid points, I wonder why he did it in this thread.

cubesnake
Senior Member

3858 Posts
10/02
Posted - Jan 15 2003 : 1:55AM
Hi,
I could have raised the points in any thread ... i guess i was just bored about reading once too many this kinda ´no respect for people´ writing. And like i wrote it´s not even specially intended for Druber. I too had a lot of porn stars i liked more than others but than again i didn´t and do not know any porn star personally. And on occasions like porn fairs (with dozens of fans) you don´t get to have conversations that are more like some friendly shit chat.

ok enough for now ... gotta go

see ya

cube

Edited by - cubesnake on 1/15/2003 1:56:28 AM

Walter Burns
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Posted - Jan 15 2003 : 1:20PM
I am sorry but I can't follow you on this at all. What are you saying here and what is the relation to the topic I tried to raise with this thread? I didn't say anything about respect or disrespect, or about caring or not, or about fantasy, or about porn stars being human beings or not .
The only thing I wanted to know was this:
There is no reflection on porn stars' "real life situations" whatsoever, or if fans know them and/or appreciate them as persons. Now, if you are saying that the reason why you are loyal to certain porn stars is because you (got to) know them or respect them, or care for them, or fantasize about them,or whatever it is you are trying to say, I would consider that at least as a partial anwser to my question. My follow up question than would be why this girl and not another. That was all I was asking.
Druber anwsered this question, very predictably I might add. If she starts doing 'raincoater' stuff, he is happy. He may be very crude in giving his anwser, and I certainly don't agree with him on almost anything, but he did stay on topic.

Please, don't get me wrong. I still believe that you made some very valid points and that you have every right to let your feelings about "this kinda ´no respect for people´ writing" known to the ADT forum, but please, don't say "I could have raised the points in any thread." If you feel so strong about all this, you should have started a new thread specifically devoted to that problem. Now, you have only succeeded in confusing me and possibly others, who might think that my question belongs to the "no respect for people" school of thought. Which I think it is not.

End of rant.

Edited later:

I am sorry. You caught me on a bad day. I don't usually like flaming posters. In fact, I still don't like it now.

Edited by - Walter Burns on 1/15/2003 1:45:49 PM

cubesnake
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Posted - Jan 15 2003 : 1:43PM
Dear Walter,
You are right ... it may be confusing. That hasn´t been my intention. It has nothing to do with your initial question and maybe i shouldn´t have answered it in your thread but since it kinda made me throw up i had to say something :) ... no offense !

to your question:

I think a lot of girls should have stayed with their natural looks. I don´t mean boobs in general ... some have bad boobjobs some have tatoos who are either bad or placed in a bad position. But that´s not really such a turn off for me. What bothers me more ...if she does a scene which i can not relate to or does sexual things i don´t consider erotic in any way ... thats a turn off. I can understand (at least i think i can understand the feeling of not feeling good in your own body) if a woman wants to have bigger boobs. For a little time (relative) it even may look good (if done right) but when it starts to look artifficial it´s too late to be sorry. Take a look at Chelsea Charms ... i wish i had a picture b4 her boobjob. she has a nice face but those boobs are way too much.

cube

Edited by - cubesnake on 1/15/2003 1:48:27 PM

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Posted - Jan 15 2003 : 4:28PM
Walter,
In answer to your original question, I find that women I especially like tend to leave the business before I get tired of them. However, I can give you a current example of an actress I no longer follow as closely as I used to: Jewel Valmont. After she went with Vivid she stopped performing anals. Of course, her marriage may have had some influence there. At any rate, since I have all these great older scenes of hers, and I can't count on her to perform anals in her new material, I do not automatically pick up everything she's in. I do still check her out on occasion.
In addition, there have been times when an actress changed her appearance so drastically that I no longer found her attractive - but I'm not naming names. I will say that I agree with the general sentiment that most breast jobs are a complete waste, but I understand that they're practically a prerequisite for the dance circuit.

"I knew a girl who liked the prong
but alway brought her dog along..."




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