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| bossanova Member 96 Posts 6/10 | (Preface: I am a fan of anal porn and anal sex. I even have no problem with prolapse porn. This is something I'm curious about because so few performers are on the record discussing it, and I realize that much of the current information on prolapsing in porn is basically anti-porn propaganda from the right.) (Second Note: Read the whole post before responding. I'm not asking, "Why is prolapse porn so popular?" or anything like that.) Anal Prolapsing: at one time it was reserved solely for girls who did it naturally due to existing medical issues or girls who had performed one too many double anal scenes along with their regular anal workload. (Ava Devine, Amy Brooke: we're looking at you.) Now, we're seeing much more of it on screen, even from performers who are fairly new to the industry. One could argue that rougher anal scenes and more anal scenes over a performer's career are changing things, but I think this is wrong. If that were the case, then the great anal queens of the late 90s and 2000s (Aurora Snow, Katja, Belladonna, Ashley Blue, Bobbi Starr, Sophie Dee, Gauge, Flower Tucci, Aurora Jolie just to name a few) would have prolapsed on camera years ago. Conversely, there are a number of performers who are young and have been in the biz for only a year or two (these ones I'm having a hard time remembering but there's a few who have done a lot of work for Evil Angel) and are between 19-22 who are already partially or completely prolapsing on camera. Anal scenes have obviously gotten rougher since the 70s/80s, but I think they've remained pretty consistent for the past 10-15 years. Assuming that there were a. as many anal scenes and/or dedicated anal perfomers 10 years ago as there are now and b. that anal scenes have not gotten significantly rougher in the past 10 years leads to the following conclusion: many anal performers have been prolapsing off-camera before now but are now only showing it on screen because it has become acceptable and there is a growing market for it. Jada Stevens is prime example. She has partially prolapsed in two scenes. In the earlier one, she's blatantly struggling to avoid a visible prolapse while expelling a creampie. First she tries to do it without having to gape her ass at all, but then she settles for just trying expel the cum without having her ass fall out. The whole thing appears to have been unplanned. (In the more recent scene she seems less concerned.) Amber Rayne is another one; I've seen her partially prolapse after a creampie once, though there was a recent Kink scene where they cut just as one was starting to happen. I've noticed this sort of thing from other anal starlets trying to gape but appearing to be holding back, perhaps to avoid a visible prolapse as well. Given how good Jada and Amber are at hiding it most of the time during somewhere between 50-100 anal scenes each, I wonder how many other performers (many of whom have done as many or more scenes) are doing the same thing. I'm mainly curious because so few anal performers are on the record regarding this subject. Even the great Tristian Taormino has been strangely silent on the matter. I would assume that the performers don't want to share the gory details, and Tristian is reluctant to imperil her livelihood as an educator and director by challenging her main thesis: that anal is 100% safe, especially when performed by experienced (sober) professionals like porn stars, and that frequent anal *reduces* the chance of anal muscle weakness and prolapse. My questions: 1. Have long-term performers who rarely prolapsed on camera been doing so off-camera before now? 2. Does "porn-level" (frequent, large insertion) anal inevitably lead to prolapse, despite most/all performers claiming otherwise? 3. If not, are the women who are showing signs of prolapse cutting corners or out of the norm in some way? (Drugs, not warming up enough, doing more scenes before things are healed, doing lots hard anal off camera, etc) 4. Does the prolapsing pose a long-term health risk? I remember some time back that Ava Devine claimed that everything is in great condition despite the state of her rectal muscles. Edited by - bossanova on Sep 16 2013 [Link] |
| bossanova Member 96 Posts 6/10 | "Guess that's what happens after taking so much in the butt! LOL I also did a scene for hardcoregangbang.com 3 days before that, where I was doing things like DA, TP, fisting and getting a cock jerked off inside my asshole. I'm not sure since when my ass has been gaping more, I think its been happening over-time as I stretch it more. I started to really prolapse in Dec 2012, I did it for my first time in "Anal Perverts" (Evil Angel/ Mike Adriano). I watched some prolaspeparty.com content the night before, then did something I've always done but reached in a little further because of what I had seen. Afterwards I was really confused that more girls can't do this but I have prolapsed a little on accident several times before that, like while pushing out enema water." [invalid URL removed]The Official Sarah Shevon Thread.[/url] Edited by - bossanova on 9/16/2013 6:32:21 PM |
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| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Frankly I never saw the appeal but then again I also don't see the appeal for ATM, PTM or rimming. |
| bossanova Member 96 Posts 6/10 | A good counter argument: 2 of the 3 performers that I mentioned in my second half have done multiple DAPs and fistings on screen, and Jada has done at least one DAP and some large insertions for Kink , so they're all on the "extreme" end of the anal spectrum. Someone like Jayden Jaymes is probably in fine shape seeing as she only does one or two anal scenes a year and doesn't really do it off camera. I still think part of my argument holds, i.e. Tory Lane has done anal scenes for around 10 years and recently prolapsed partially in an Adriano scene. Katja Kassin has probably done just as many scenes as Tory and has done multiple DAPs but has never prolapsed on screen. Therefore, Katja can probably prolapse as well, though sometimes I wonder if her ass is made of steel. 3: I think the ones who do it a lot *do* train themselves to prolapse on command, but I also think there has to be some heavy alteration of their inner workings before they get to that point. The debate is whether you classify that as damage, or "extreme relaxation/loosening of the muscles." The only study performed on the health effects of anal sex (based on gay men) found that the muscles in bottoms were looser when at rest but could still contract perfectly well when needed. 4: It would be interesting if one of the more open anal performers talked about their experience with prolapse and if there have been any related health issues, what their OB/GYN says about it, etc. I agree that the risk of infection alone from the inner tissue being exposed probably isn't good in the long term. Once again, it would be very enlightening if Tristian Taormino were to enter the overall discussion given her personal experience and knowledge as well as her relationship with long term performers. Edit: Take it for what is is (I'm not going to repost the text here because it's long, unformatted, and rambling at times): a post by Prolapse Queen claiming that her knowledgeable doctor friend (sitting next to her as she types) says that "trained" prolapsing is 100% okay so long as there is no damage (i.e a cut) to the membrane while it is out there. [invalid URL removed]Jay Sin Appreciation Society Edited by - bossanova on 9/17/2013 10:53:45 PM Edited by - bossanova on 9/17/2013 10:54:17 PM |
| geralt Member 495 Posts 7/11 |
2. The bigger the objects the higher risk of anal damage, prolapse, destroyed sphincter, anal incontinence etc. Fisting was kinda taboo just a few years ago, now fisting is a staple in porn, sometimes double fisting aswell. Happens to people outside of porn that are in to lots of anal extremes, but probably don't have anal sex several times a week as porn girls do. Ofcourse the girls who suffer from it don't want to tell anyone if they have become incontinent since it may deter some of their fans. I remember a tweet by hotkinkyjo she had done a scene the day before and literally said that her ass was still gaping. Other physical factors like strength of the pelvic floor plays in, like for normal people it's much more likely that old people who have weaker pelvic muscles can get anal prolapse from eg. chronic constipation. 3. The more traumatic injury to the anal the more the damage and prolapse. But most prolapse is on intention, girls pushing and using vacuum pumps to prolapse (I bet that most people could proplapse to some extent if using a vacuum pump with hard suction) 4. It can be corrected with surgery, with various sucess. It's problematic since all surgery in the colons and anal area has a high risk of infection. |
| Cloudburst Deactivated User 392 Posts 1/14 | Some interesting quotes: "Even so, self-inflicted anal prolapses are extremely risky. Few performers will risk losing their fans by admitting this, but bowel problems are a common side effect of repeated rosebud scenes. While many stars claim to take breaks, even time off doesn’t really tighten everything back up." "When it comes to what happens to performers once they leave the business, South glumly notes that there are absolutely zero safety nets to catch them should they develop physical issues further down the line. He puts it this way: “The porn industry doesn’t care about performers. They care about better train wrecks.” |
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| ashar Member 67 Posts 12/12 | First ever were rosebutt (yes rosebutt becouse rosebud is anal jewelry not open anus what looks like rose) and then first model doing it for money were amazingty at her site. Soon after her was polish model Bubdzia (from bubdzia.com). She pump her rosebutt every single day for 20 minutes till is start prolapsing. This were something new and become spread over web everywere. Main place where disucsion about this kind of fetish grow were rosebuttboard.com making this fetish really mains stream betwen people. Far after this apepar JaySinn with his prolapse movies and actually much more. I`m huge fan of prolapse from time when I first time see it on old site what manager of RBB create before his board. Was rosebutt.pornparks or something like this. Then I go more and more in to it. I not know why I like it so much :-) Actually top one producer is the same person who were in team of Bubdzia site: AlexThorn. He own dirtygardengirl.com what brings prolapse to new level (Jay also work with her). We have also prolapseparty site how ever I can`t find it interesting since first wow at begining. Also main guy (performing one) of this site have bad reputation (mess a lot with one model). |
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