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Not that that's a badthing, on occasion it can be fun, but I wish there was not so much of it in porn.

(Now it's not so fun when it dribbles in your ear...that is "ewww, that's gross!")

-lunacy-

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I really don't get turned on by it. I admit..if the girl..nicely..and in a horny way says "Please baby please..cum on my face baby!" then yes..I would get turned on. But in porno movies..once the guy removes his pee-pee from that juicy hot hole...almost everytime..he has to hold on to that pretty face and "SPLAT!" shoot his goo on it.

I find it humiliating. Actually..disrespectful.

Now I know why some porn stars don't let their faces get blown by cum..because it's disrespectful..and not erotic. A.K.A. Chasey Lain.

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I agree with Bono in that one thing I hate to see is a girl who is obviously not into a facial cum shot take one. That is just wrong.

Though I do have a question for everyone. Why is it that a man eating out a woman until she cums is expected (heaven forbid he stop and use his hand). Women find nothing "gross" about this yet returning the favor is "gross" or all about "male domination".

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A man's cum blast is not only more potent, but powerful. A female's cum blast is...lacking. Just a minor splosh; heck, it doesn't even splash.

Not even that..if the woman did cum hard almost like a male..I feel we deserve it on our faces. Aren't we the ones penetrating that pussyhole..and asshole bright painfully red..yet we don't get our assholes touched..shouldn't we be the ones to stoop low? I think WE deserve the humiliation.

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I agree... there is a dominance factor. But that same factor is also shown as the guy pounds her. She is helpless laying/kneeling there while he pounds the hell out of her. I don't see how her eating is cum is any different.

I agree with lee_carver that a woman cumming on a man's face should be the same as us cumming on theirs.

It's all sex... and it's all good as long as everyone is consenting. It can't be degrading if both people are wanting it.

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Edited by - ultradamno on Jun 3 2001

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I'm not saying facials are bad necessarily, or to stop doing them entirely. Obviously, like you guys, there are many who enjoy seeing these, and there should be something for everyone. It's just that this trend is so prevelant, it's difficult to find a flick without one. Christ, even all-girl scenes are no longer safe from these gonad gushers, as they've started using squirting dildos. Stop the madness now!!!

Lee, to answer your question, females don't ejaculate, except maybe in a very minor, unnoticable way.
To say you don't see any difference between cunnilingus and a facial boggles the mind, and I'm sure you would feel very differently if it were you getting a load of splooge blasted to your face.

Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't bother ME a bit if they stopped showing cunnilingus altogether in flicks, either. It's weird, but unless the pussy is actually mine that's getting licked, it does absolutely nothing for me to see it performed. The guy with his snake-like tongue stretched beyond human limits, to get the side shot, please, don't bother. But then, I'm a chick, and we all know chicks don't like or buy porn.
Studios! Here's a Newsflash: Maybe if you'd lighten up on all the freakin facials, more women would buy porn!

Thanks for letting me vent!

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A womyn does not spooge all over your face or in your mouth when she cums. If men were being coated on their faces with thick, sticky cum while performing oral on a womyn I would agree. But your not!

It's oranges and apples.

(And there is nothing wrong with finishing with your hand if you are so inclined)

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Lunacy - I seem to remember several instances where I came up with a face that was sticky. Don't get me wrong I love doing it though and always will but if this whole thing is about the "gross factor" when it comes to coming into contact with bodily fluids then I don't really understand.

Question?? Do your opinions extend to swallowing or are we just talking about facials??

Now forgive me for not believing all of you lovely ladies when you say you wouldn't mind a guy who stops licking when you are about to cum and using his hand. Every girl I have ever been with has been about pace and pressure in the right spot and time. For a lot of them any change at the critical moment can ruin it for them. So stopping would be about the same as a bucket of ice water. Except there is a better chance of me living through the ice water.

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To answer the first part first - no, it has to do with degrading your sex partner. Coming up with a little sticky face from eating at the Y is very different, but I don't think there's anything we could say that would convince you.

As far as swallowing, again that's a whole different ballgame. I've got no problem with that at all, but you can't really equate that either. Now, if a chick refused to let you ejaculate into her mouth, a facial would be more acceptable, maybe even unavoidable.

quote lee: "Now forgive me for not believing all of you lovely ladies when you say you wouldn't mind a guy who stops licking when you are about to cum and using his hand. "

Although I never said that, I actually prefer a hand-job, as I've never cum from oral sex. Fingers are much more versatile.
It's when you withdraw THEM right when I'm ready to cum that drives me crazy!

I think Takeo said it best about just wanting some diversity, instead of the same cookie-cutter type of flicks, with the same guys feverishly pounding their pud.
This might be asking too much however, since this is the ONLY way they're able to cum. I say we need some fresh studs!

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Though I will admit that facials have become way to common place in movies these days. Too many girls are doing them for the money even though they obviously hate to do them. The problem is what then. To many directors have no idea what to do if they don't do a facial so we get stuck with a guys face contorted in "agony" before cumming on the girls behind, tits, etc. For me that just kills all the momentum a scene had going for it.

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If like you say..those directors have no idea what to do..guess what? They suck!

It I was a director..I say to the chick..he's cumming..now bend over and spread your ass so he can cum all over your adorable brown asshole. Or over her juicy pink pussy lips. (I get SOOO turned on when the guy cums on her ass or inside..but basically all over her buttcheeks. )

Or on her gorgeous natural breasts! Dammit...are directors running out of body parts and just focusing on eyes, nose and mouth???

P.S: If I find humiliating the guy cumming on her face..I wonder what sonic then feels about the guy cumming in her eye. A.K.A. Obession getting blasted by Black Gorilla Monkey Jake Steed. I felt bad for her. That has got to hurt. It's irratating. :(

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How about guy cums on his own face?

How about girl jerks guy off and she decides where it goes?

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Yeah..how about the guy cums on his own face? Or she transfers the cum from her mouth to his. LOL!!!

heh heh..

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Comparing a man's ejaculation to a womyn's cum again and again misses the point. A man's cum is a much larger amount, it's thicker and it's shot out from the penis.

I mean truly put yourself in the womyn's place as she recives a facial from a man. (not you going down on a womyn) Imagine how that would feel to your skin, how it would smell, how it would taste, how it would feel as you smear it off...

is that pleasurable? Not in my book.

As far as the submission end of it, somehow it got interperted to mean that becasue it is seen as a submissive position that he womyn cannot enjoy it, not true. .

Sex by it's very nature for a womyn is a submissive roll. That is why 99% of the time ultimatly it is the womyn that decides if sex will occur. We accept a man into our bodies, that is the ultimate submission.

I kind of relate facials to beginners anal, when you first start anal it's painful and embarrassing and there is very little pleasure. But you choose to share and experiement with your partner. A facial is one of those things that you allow/ask your partner to do because you know they'll enjoy it. And eventually you may find some pleasure in it too.

I know we're going back and forth between real life sex and porn but to me it would be nice to see some more realistic porn so they kind of go hand and hand.

-lunacy-

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But, I will agree to disagree.

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And again, I'm not saying do away with all facials in porn.
Just give those of us who don't find this erotic, to say the least, something else, anything else at this point. Most of the men I know personally feel the same way, but then they
don't watch that much porn, this being one of the reasons why.

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Anyway, and however, in Victorian erotica, a woman's orgasm is frequently described as "spending" or "discharge". In one instance: "...her two powerful and fleshy thighs closed on my cheeks on each side and fixed me as in a vice, while she poured down into my mouth and all over my chin, neck, and hand a perfect rush of sperm , and then lay in convulsive movements of enjoyment..." (my italics). Curiouser and curiouser...

As far as facials in porn go, I'd say some of them are erotic, and some of them are boring, but that has little to do with the act itself, or the idea of it, at least.

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As always everything here depends on the point of view. It's all about prejudices and how we were educated. It's about assuming what the partner is thinking without knowing for sure and connecting this assumption to what we learned earlier in our life.

So what does a woman think when a man is giving her a facial ? Of course, in order to follow this theory consequently, we have to assume that it's also an assumption to a certain extent that we'll be able to know what a woman thinks, but don't let's make this too complicated at the beginning, and anyway, this also goes for a male's thoughts.

We have to realize that an act itself can never be degrading. Giving a facial is just an act like receiving one, it's just an act like having sex, and it's just an act like going shopping for instance.

The degradation someone feels results from ones education and former experiences. Someone feels degraded when he thinks he's got some reason for that. From looking at my above example most of you would certainly say that it was stupid to compare receiving a facial with shopping. But is it really that stupid ?

If a woman has grown up in a very emancipated environment or was educated in a way that makes her think all men were evil, stupid and lazy machos, she could also feel degraded by going shopping because she would think "Why do I have to do the shopping ? Why doesn't HE do it ? He certainly thinks he doesn't have to because he's a man." Then she'll feel degraded because of her assumption that she knows exactly what her friend / husband is thinking. In reality it's only what she thinks he is thinking or what she learned he was probably thinking.

It's just the same with a facial. Maybe she was educated in a submissive way. Maybe she learned from the beginning to "behave like a woman" and be kind of submissive and receiving in a man's world. Maybe her parents' also influenced her in thinking sex was something dirty. Maybe someone simply told her that getting a facial is degrading. Maybe she even made the experience with a former lover who was also influenced into thinking he was dominating her by giving her a facial.

So when receiving a facial she connects all the things she has learned and experienced in her life and feels degraded. But not because the act itself is degrading, but because she THINKS that her partner thinks he is dominating and degrading her, no matter if that's true or not. As I said above it might even be true since all the above is also valid for males' thoughts, and a man might also have learned and experienced that this act could be assumed degrading. So that's nothing against women or men. Both are "working" the same way and are both "victims" of their education.

A woman who has grown up in a very uninhibited way and has never made a bad experience with an aggressive partner, and was never taught that this was a bad thing is certainly more likely to enjoy this act or at least not feel degraded because she won't think "What does he think when he's doing that ? Does he think he controls me ? Am I submissive ? Does he want to degrade me ?"

Now imagine the following situation :

There's a man who doesn't think facials are degrading. He grew up in a very uninhibited way and wasn't taught that women have to cook and clean the house while the man is going to work. He doesn't think about these things and he doesn't find anything bad about any sexual practice. Until now he also had only girlfriends who were educated the same way and didn't have problems with sexual practices like facials.

Now he gets a new girlfriend, and he eventually tries giving her a facial. She's shocked because she thinks that's dirty and degrading, and she also tells him that she wouldn't let him treat her that way.
He wonders what she means. Then they talk about it, and she tells him a thousand reasons why she thinks that's degrading. He thinks about it and stops trying to give her facials because he just "learned" that this was degrading for a woman.

Next scene (some time later):

He finds out that his girlfriend (not necessarily the same one as in the last paragraph) is cheating him with another guy. He's angry and thinks she's a slut. He's telling his best friend about that who tells him that basically all girls are sluts. Remember me talking about prejudices at the beginning ? That's where they come in. Once he's convinced that most girls are sluts who have to be treated like one he "remembers" that facials are supposed to be degrading for women. We can't really say "remember" since it's obviously a subconscious process. From now on chances are he'll feel satisfaction from dominating women by giving them facials.

Well... of course that's only one scenario out of many possible scenarios. But it could happen that way.

Degradation is all about the psychological aspects of the people involved in a certain act. Any act can be assumed degrading by one partner or the other depending on the personalities which were created through their growing up, their education and their experiences. That's also one reason why there are so many men complaining about their girlfriends not doing certain things and so many women are complaining about their boyfriends to be unromantic perverts. And as always this also works in the other direction.

So what's the essence of all this ?

No sexual act is degrading. It's only degrading if you think you have a reason to find it degrading. That's all there is about it.

Greetings,

Spesedy

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No more yankee my wankee!!

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Edited by - dumblonde on Jun 11 2001

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Edited by - Introitoconforza on 7/30/2003 10:59:15 AM

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Edited by - Introitoconforza on 7/30/2003 10:47:34 AM

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Edited by - Introitoconforza on 7/30/2003 10:53:51 AM

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So did anyone actually answer the question?

I love cum. I love facials, watching them and receiving them. I've never felt "submissive" receiving one because *I* wanted it so bad. If anything, I have felt a little dominant at times in the way I demand that I be fed it. The people who wrote about faces and acceptance struck a chord with me. During a facial it's like the center of my personality is meeting the center of his sexual being. A facial feels to me like I'm expressing the ultimate form of acceptance. I am embracing you at your most vulnerable point. I am awash in the liquid state of your soul. I open my mouth awaiting your spunk as I open my soul and await your cosmic energy. I accept your bucking orgasm utterly. Shoot your sex all over my shoulders and hair. Make me unabashedly laugh as juicy jets of sweet surprise overtake my face. Let your semen seep into the skin surrounding my cerebrum so that my mind can soak you in. Paint me with your passion. Spread it all around. Play with it. Feed it to me. Lick it off me. Share your body butter with me. I'm hungry. Feed me. Feed me. Feed me. Take a picture of me before the splooge dries--I want the whole world to see how much I love you.

You haven't lived until you've made a man cry because you told him you love him while your face was covered in his cum.

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SueR is the closest thing to the ultimate woman that I've ever encountered at an online forum.

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But I have to say that I HATE it when it turns bad. I really don't like it when it is obvious that the woman does not want cum on her face (tight lips and no post-cum head). I also don't like cum literally "on the face". Nothing above the lips. Up her nose, her forhead, and especially the eyes is a very big no-no. I only want to see lots of eye-contact, lips, tongue, and post-cum head. I also don't like swallowing. I wouldn't mind it so much if the girls enjoyed it, but I always see them gagging and having watery eyes (too much of an intimate act IMO). Very unappealing. Plus, it's much more visually pleasing to see cum run down her breasts and body. And don't get me started with all this girgling, blowing bubbles and foam (like you have rabies), Bukkake, cum in a glass or spoon, or any of this funnel crap like in "Gangbang Girl".

In the end, I want to see a woman enjoy cock and cum, NOT A FREAKSHOW! Now THAT is degrading IMO. Watch Sunrise Adams take a facial. That is absolutely the most perfect facial to watch. No one takes a facial like she does!

Edited by - kristi on 8/3/2003 6:02:50 AM

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Personally, I think it's pretty far off to the extreme; sounding almost like there should be some Yanni music playing in the background while candles illuminate the shadows during a harvest moon. Or something...

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Ooo, ooo... My 100th post -- do I win anything?

Edited by - Phil Thee G on 8/5/2003 10:29:11 PM

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