it's bullshit expecially because those minors aren't customer of anything they steal material from tubesite and AFAIK no tubesite ask any proof of age.

It just a perfect excuse to forbid porn

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As long as anonymity remains in place and this info is not stored, I’m ok with it. There was talk of you being able to buy a more anonymous proof of age card in shops for £5.00 so you don’t have to provide proof of age online, just input a code on the card. Again though, I don’t know if these shops will want scans of your passport, drivers license etc before handing over the card or just ask for proof of age like they would if you were buying alcohol.

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1. More people using VPNs or Tor to access content without handing over their private information for verification purposes.

2. Data breach or selling of personal data by the age verification service.
As Gizmodo UK pointed out, MindGeek's privacy policy allows for the collection and analysis of user data in order to sell better advertisements.

3.Smaller internet service providers will block all porn sites.
Smaller ISPs may struggle to finance systems to implement and block websites that don't comply with the age policy.

4. Fake Age Verification Services - bad actors could create dodgy verification gateways to steal users' personal credit card details.

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anyway to access the internet from outside the UK won't be difficult you can use a VPN access the VPN server and access wherever you want through a foreign based IP , your UK ISP would access the VPN Server and it would be this latter the one accessing porn or whatever else, plus for payment you can just use some bitcoin or whatever else anonymous digital money to pay

third factor there's is a new tubesite apearing every day , who is going to update the list of the forbidden sites? Who will pay to maintain such list updated? Are the UK going to block anything until proven safe?
How about the torrents?
How about fake titles such as "bees from the sahara" who actually is "triple anal in the sunset" Are the iSP supposed to download and veryfy anything out there at their own expense?

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LOL the latest Firefox update asked for permission to prevent my PC from going to safe mode or freeze mode or whatever energy saver mode would prevent my PC to work without me in front of it.

I didn't update of course

I use regularly a VPN for work purposes , it's a paid one not one of those free , i wouldn't recommend any of those either , never had a problem

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But now that I think about it in a practical way, I mean how long is the list of those who would have access to my or yours ID copies?
I mean when I talked about jurisdiction abroad , how can the UK enforce a law abroad , some said they can prevent access to those site who don't comply with UK laws , letting aside the implications of this , my concerning where about inspections , how could the British Authorities inspect a foreign company? I mean a legal one who does comply such UK laws and do have proof of age of his customers. I mean just a regular inspection every Authority routinely performs. What if such Country , say a European one has strict privacy laws preventing anyone fro giving up personal and sensible data to anyone but the Authorities?
British law enforcers should pass through regular international official procedures to be allowed to access data granted protection by the local laws and verify that every customers of the porn provider has been verufied with proper IDs.Unless they'd force the provider to give up data he couldn't give up by laws , and mind you sexual preferences are sensible data, very sensible , may even involve people who aren't costumers in a direct form, for example their wives.
This could be done of course but is it worthy? Also what about their former customers? Should they record their ID in a database even though those in there are no longer customers and shouldn't be in any sexual related database any longer?

It's been said the iSP based in UK shouldn't give access to any of those site if they don't comply?
How?
I mean legally are they supposed to be given the IDs too? Just told about them? If so should thay inspect? On what Authority? Abroad even!
Could they be sued if they wrongly prevent access to some perfectly regular and law abiding site just because they wouldn't give up their customers database?
Shouldn't the ISP already know who is paying for their services and thus his age?
How could anybody know who is actually accessing the content?
What if a teenager hacks the data from some computer and shares those through social media?

I really believe it's too impractical and impossible to enforce , providing its purpose is really to prevent minors from accessing any uncontrolled sexual related material

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"Robust age verification and regulation for online pornography are important first steps in keeping children safe online.
But these steps do not go far enough.
The NSPCC is calling for social networks to be required by law to give under-18s safe accounts with extra protections built in, so that children are kept as safe online as they are in the real world."

Data breaches are my main issue with this. If it simply a matter of giving credit card details, then purchasers won't be too worried about that since the companies hold those details already. But the issue of data protection is more concerning if driving licence or passport details have to be uploaded. How secure will our details be?

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Of course if you can shut down every legal porn source you will be drying the well for the illegals too but this only in UK

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All these attempts at regulation are going to regulate something that is not an issue anyway. No teens are logging into brazzers with a legitimate account. They're going to tube sites, or downloading torrents, or using discord servers or whatever else. And all these new rules do nothing to prevent those activities.

It's clear that the people making the laws have never spoken with a teenager.

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Seriously, how many people are going to walk into their newsagents & ask for a porn licence? Considering that Mindgeek are it seems running this for the government & couldn't stop their Brazzers forum from being hacked with customers personal data being stolen & have never put it back online it doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Also how would this data be used by the government? If it is on a big database could it then be used in the future to stop people adopting children as being unsuitable parents for instance in their next puritanical crusade? Perhaps the NSPCC should be more worried about the abysmal state of social services that continually allows children to be beaten to death, sexually abused/raped etc while overworked social workers, doctors, nurses, police etc somehow manage to miss the fractured bones & obvious signs than kids being curious about sex.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/18/porn-sites-offer-loopholes-get-around-web-ban-bbfc-admits-powerless/

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As I've said, data protection is much more of an issue for me.

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But gradually more and more concerns have been raised about the negative sides of such freedom - stalking, harassment,extremist radicalisation, bullying induced suicides, trolling, fake news, inference with elections, grooming of children by pedophiles, data breaches, the dark net; all that off the top off my head. Maybe the honeymoon's over folks!

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And you're not being discarded without a thought. You're being discarded because we don't have the resources to deal with compliance. ADT is not some big company with dedicated staff and budgets to implement these regulatory schemes. And we don't want to be responsible for maintaining the data involved with age verification. I don't want to know anyone's real name, birthday and have a digital copy of their identification documents. I don't want anyone to be able to connect a real person to the things they post on this site.

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"any platform that hosts pornography but does not do so on a commercial basis - meaning it does not charge a fee or make money from adverts or other activity - will not be affected."

Ultimately it will be for the British Board of Film Classification to regulate the scheme and decide which sites 'offend' the new law. There will also be some discretion for pornn providers to decide how to verify ages; so buying tokens from shops may not be necessary.

Like many new schemes, it won't be until it happens that we know what impact it will have and how it will work in practice.

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You have missed the point entirely-the kids know how to get around tech issues, the watchdog overseeing this have said it will not stop children from looking at hardcore material, so again I ask what is the point of it then? It has been a rushed & badly thought out piece of legislation to appease the mother of Jane Longhurst who started this crusade 15 years ago & to win votes. It is doomed to failure because most people will still be able to access material easily as the majority of video sites are not going to be blocked by the looks of things.

Again the buying a card comes under data protection & what will happen once your name is in a government controlled database-a government whose ministers regularly lose sensitive information on public transport, dump it in skips & even in the past sent it via carrier pigeon! We now know GCHQ's levels of surveillance. Will it be hacked resulting in attempted blackmail ransoms? How could it be used against you by the government?

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When I mentioned the exagerration, it wasn't about the numbers of cases of sexual abuse. I have some experience in the field and I'm only too aware of the extent of the problem. What was an exagerration was the reference to the authorities consistently failing to recognise broken bones and obvious signs of abuse. That doesn't happen anywhere near as frequently as some irresponsible elements of the media would have you believe; and the statistics you referred me to don't make that allegation anyway. The trouble is that when it does happen, it's front page news for weeks.

Welfare of children is about as emotional an issue as you can get. It's easy for the press to point a finger at the authorities but as you say, they are massively unresourced and it's actually amazing to me what a fantastic job they do against the odds. It's also tempting to rail against the government, and believe me I do all the time! But let's not let our emotions run away from us. Ministers don't "regularly" lose sensitive information on public transport, dump it in skips & send it via carrier pigeon. Once or twice maybe.

It looks like people may not have to go into shops for an embarrassing purchase. But if that was in fact the ONLY way of watching porn online, then yes, I'm absolutey positive they would.

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2-No matter how some people feel about the entire age restriction of adult entertainment. I think most of us can agree that porn availability has gotten more and more pervasive since the advent of Tube Sites and since kids can easily access the net from multiple locations and are curious by nature than any system that could help curb even a percentage of those children from watching something that they are not remotely close to being ready for is better than not doing anything.

3-In some ways having some kind of age verification system across the world would in many ways be advantageous to the porn industry because it would be one example of the positive thing that could be used to defend the industry from the various groups attacking it on moral grounds. It's really hard to defend unfettered personal freedoms when those allow a 10 year old to have access to porn 30 seconds after he/she is on the net.

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I don't see any scat or piss porn coming from North America

The only thing that's forbidden in European countries is animalporn and kiddystuf ..

Incestporn without the stepword is also no taboo in most countries

Only the UK has stricter laws.. but that's no surpirse because the UK does not want to have anything to do with europe

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I agree with most of the rest you said though. Fisting is another thing regularly seen in European porn.

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If we are comparing the US to most European Countries on the extreme nature of their content than the US is likely going to be win out over Europe more often than not.

-Scat porn is quite rare in the US but still exist in some corners of the net. You might say it's because Americans have laws that regulate that type of porn(they don't) but I argue that it's because it's literally fecal porn and very few people want to see that shit(sorry for the terrible pun).

-Piss porn while again quite rare is something you see in many of Bryan Gozzling videos and he isn't getting any negative feedback from the US Government. I would also argue that you regularly see squirting videos and if we are being honest with ourselves that it's really women pissing on each other in the guise of female ejaculate.

-Incest porn is still rampant in the US and while it's more often than not done as step-sibbling incest porn. It's still incest porn if the performers don't use the step portion of their relationship or they emphasize that they have been step-something for many years.

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Also about stricter laws in Europe it depends we do have stricter laws on Privacy , which is most understandable since we saw and experimented first hand what goverment databases over their citizens over personal habits , preferences and stuff could do ,from Fascisms to STASI , we are very wary about that.

As for the rest there's only a simple rule once, you reach your adulthood at 18 years of age you can do just about anything , we don't have "adults" forbidden to drink until they are 21 , or to gamble and least of all if you can do porn at 18 you can also watch it at that very same age.
Either you're an adult or you're not, in the USA it looks like at 18 you're just "almost" adult, the real adulthood would be at 21.

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I must make the remark that 10 years ago fisting was a big no no too in the us. Nowadays you can also see this in us porn.

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But if online is fine... why don't we see at least pissing stuff being produced in the states. I have seen several US pornactresses (Veronica Avluv) on sites such as legal porno pissing and receiving piss.

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Sorry for the misunderstanding.. my point is that USA actresses are also into pissing...

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However, once an idea has been raised, there's nothing to stop it being picked up again, either by the UK or any other state.

Watch this space.

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