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| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | you are funny. you ignore almost everything said except that which you would like to adress, and that which you do respond to is always the same b-s. they are not children. there is no proof. ok man you're 100% correct. everything is always ok because... well... noone can prove to you that its not. the fact that these specific facts are unproveable in principle seems to not have any effect on your insistence that they be proven. if you think those really young lookin eurochicks at Young Throats don't seem to be actually distressed, then you are just blind to your own ugliness. you must be getting off on actually witnessing girls about to cry (not all of em but definitly some). not fake crying, like real, actual crying. now i say again, one last time. whaterver the world (aka the bandwagon) has to say about the "official" age when someone becomes an adult-- if a person is unable to effectively deal with reality in an adult fashion than he/she is in need of assurance and some degree of protection, or even support, to help them actualize their will and keep him/herself out of harmsway. i dont think anyone especially you is able to determine these things, thus your recourse to legal age and such nonesense. And if all imature girls stopped doing porn ( as you suggest) then i would most likely not have half of my best stuff. Sometimes you just need that teen feelin. but i for one would like to know that they are OK. you'd obviously rather hope, or ignore, or most likely not give a shit about any of it. i'm pretty sure you argue the points here just to annoy cogent, reasonable people, not because you have convictions. as you said you dont take this seriously and as that guy from Thank You For Smoking put so eloquently-- i'm not tryingto convince you, i'm trying to get through to them-- or something of that sort. |
| zaffer Member 208 Posts 8/08 | Plus you if one person is above certain age(18 in most countries) you can't provide him more protection based on that he is young. Above this age he/she is mature enough - and that is. Another question is why in USA you can shoot porn at 18 and drink at 21. |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | |
| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | macko69- your point about public image is certainly valid. this should indeed be a concern, and is likely a good way to make the industry see that, if only for their own preservation, something should be done. damage to beutiful things, however, is unacceptable to me and i my primary concern. loraine- i like the idea of established rules of conduct, and visited the site you referenced. if perhaps the entire industry signed off one something similar i would feel much more comfortable about things. Kink.com is a little bdsm form me, i.e. allot or ropes and leather and stuff. it seems like such hardcore-seeming stuff necessitated an earlier response to the protection issue. but i nonetheless can appriciate the ethics savoy- i agree 100% randomprecision- your avatar is fucking creepiny man zaffer- abbuse is definitly not cool. but the determining factor for acceptablility here seems to be the psychological reaction to the situation-- if a girl can come out with good feelings and lotsa money then who are we to dispute. its when things become explicitly not cool with the girls that things need to be done. As for the 18/21 thing-- this is more a response to driving fatalities than anything. in the USA drunk driving deaths are the number one killers of teens. the reason 18 year olds are considered afults legaly is beacuse at this age people are capable of a great many things for which they need to be held legally accountable. This distinction is nothing like the smoke cigs/dont smoke weed hypocracy, and i beleive it (18/21) has an actual basis in domestic necessity. blacksix- i have seen the cover and you are correct, it looks fluffy and sweet. lol arghh I put the question to you guys out there: if we assume that there is a problem, what is the best way to deal with it? i can only feel that legal documents, while binding and effective in most industries, would be dificult at best to effectively institute here. i mean, would we have gangbang, throatfucking porn shown in court as a character witness to the fact that Cody and the like have done these things before? would the defense need to prove that it was over and beyond what she excpected? how? man and i gotta say one last thing- realtip- "reality wake-up call" i'm almost speechless (luckily not fingerless)you sound like the retarded ignorant idiots who told the same thing to Al Gore after the presidence was captured in a coup de'etad. "everythigs OK" you people always say, willfully ignorant of all relevant considerations you and your like will indeed bring this counrty down if left to influence the masses. bigot. |
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| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Calling another poster, or suggesting they sound like, a "retarded ignorant idiot" is not cool. Don't do it.I also didn't read anything realtip has said in this thread, however questionable, that was in any way bigoted. But even if it was, you really have to have a lot of ammo to back up a claim like that, and I seriously doubt that you have it here. Let's keep the extreme insults like "bigot" to a minimum; that is to say, none. @realtip: you don't get off easy here either - you provoked him with the "reality wake-up call" comment, which was clearly intended to make him upset and nothing else. I'd suggest that you do not respond to dougdeman's post; there's simply no need. [edit: typo] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 8/29/2008 3:06:18 PM |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | |
| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | but for real that guys ignores every argument as to why his positions are inconsequential and besides the point; he doesn't refute them, he ignores them. ALso his claims (that no preformer is ever taken advantage of ect) are ignorant of basic observable facts. these in conjuction with a name that basically says: "i know what is really going down," and a policy of telling evreyone else in this forum: "you are wrong, i am right, and the right is with the status quo" (this is just from what i've read here and around the way) certainly seem to qualify him for the b-word. I didin't know their was a ban on precise and pogniant descriptive language. but in the end really maybe he's just playing devils advocate, and as such i think has brought out some important issues; i dont think we've really gotten to far off topic, until now, i guess. btw i did directly insult him first... in many ways. so i should get the heat for that. this is cool with me-- he deserves it |
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| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | |
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| CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User 225 Posts 9/08 | Heck, they should do more of this stuff, instead of that softcore, fake moaning crap. |
| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | perverts and professionals be warned: this guys has the most convincing argument for why porn should be illegal-- in the porn world there are apparently more of those who like psuedo-nonconsentual torture captured on film, where you get to see real tears and beaten faces, than those who like to see hardcore sex (rough or lame) where everyone knows exactly what is gonna go down, and thus do not become sad, actually hurt, or purplish-orange. I think if someone had beaten the shit out of me for a while, and all i had to do was choke myself a little at the end, i would finish the scene. and you can bet i'd cash my check. but if you think cody actually signed on for something where her face would look like that at the end you're fucking crazy. i dont say that a girl would have to be crazy to want that... but cody is a lameish sorostitute slut who wants money not pain. i dont have her pegged as one to enjoy a beaten, swollen face. like that one guys said before, she looked like a raped chipmunk by the end there are plenty of girls that can do hardcore, with real screams, without the obviouse surprise and discomfort we see in these scenes under dicussion. and of course its the no-name girls who usually receive the bad side of this system, just because this time it is cody lane, who's famous, who has a slightly uncool scene does not make this a localized issue. as you said there are allot equally as bad or worse. and i agree in certain respects. ... for just a sec lets examine a parallell case: animal actors. if they had actually shot the cool old bear in The Bear, would that have made the movie more touching? maybe you've never seen The Bear. My little girl loves it. but either way, would real bear anguish do it for you? --and you say: "but animal actors and pornstars are different."-- and of course this difference lies in the fact that a pornstar is an autonomous agent and can actuate her will, whereas a bear cannot defend itself. so we say that a bear needs legal defence against abuse on the job but a young girl does not (sorry, i mean young ADULT girl...).we all agree that animal cruelty is wrong. but it seems to me that allot of us here think teenage cruelty is fucking awesome. . Lets be honest now: what happens more often in the real world-- a girl being taken advantage of and/or raped/beaten/used in someway, or animal cruelty/torture? and in the case of real-world abuse, how often is the girl able to effectively instate her will in her defense? in the world of film an actual chipmunk has a fucking monitor to make sure nobody is hurting it. in the world of porn we encoursge abuse, and blithely yell freedom of speech, so that bad directors and unconvincing actresses can get a paycheck by exciting the human psyche with images that if made real (i.e. if you actually did this shit to a woman) would make a real man puke. so we watch it on film. and every once an a while...oops, someone gets actually hurt, dehumanized sometimes. but its ok beacue real is better than fake. what i'd like to hear from one of you guys is that in fact you like surprising the girls with evil shit, just for the effect, and that in fact this is what you are looking for, that if they knew what was comming it would be too "fake"-- then i could simply say fuck you and be done with it. ![]() p.s. sorry killbill for the pussyshot before.[Mod edit: image removed due to violation of the image policy] Edited by - dougdeman on 9/16/2008 12:18:06 PM Edited by - killbillvol69 on 9/16/2008 12:30:54 PM Edited by - dougdeman on 9/16/2008 1:06:06 PM |
| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | |
| CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User 225 Posts 9/08 |
How, do you know all of this information, are you a performer in adult film business? You, weren't there when they shot the scene. What I saw, with Cody Lane, seem just a act of fantasy for hardcore adult film viewers, I bet my money, they told her what they planning to do, before hand and she acted out as though it was bothering her. In the porn, busiess, anything goes, when you sign and agree what you are about to do, before hand. She could've walked off the set and gave them there money back, but she didn't, she followed through like a good girl scout. She has done plenty of this kind of hardcore stuff for awhile and seems to love it, just like her fans love it. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 9/16/2008 3:13:29 PM |
| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | thats also a weird habit you have of quoting the entire post..which is posted itself directly before hand. as for content of your post: what information do i lay claim to actually? that occasionally, sometimes, every once and a while, something unacceptable happens? i think the burden of proof is on you to prove thaht it does not. you would fail in the attempt. my concern, if you read anything i said b4 in this thread, doubtful, as i wass grouped with the rest of you guys, is the assurance, not assumption of profesionalism and safety. |
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| cocacoladdict Member 359 Posts 1/08 | and if it helps you can maybe sample Tia there http://hogtied.com/site/shootp?shootId=3609&c=1 and compare to the blue line scene I feel that any scene where I dont see the camera suddenly cut off and the scene never get resumed...or any scene where the girl doesnt grab her cell and dial 911 or her bf to come kick some ass...or any scene where the the girl doesant pull away and start screaming obscenities at the guy and/or director...is a scene where the girl was a willing participant and either enjoyed it..or was tolerant of it..or was willing to deal with it for the money. I have seen examples of all of the above and so I'm aware that abuse exists. I'm just saying you cant use what you see as the only guide. |
| dougdeman Member 41 Posts 8/08 | What is unacceptable here is purposfully taking the scene further than expected soas to elicit a reaction which can be caught on film so compensate for poor acting and worse directing i do not say that tia's scene was any more or less rough than a bondage film, and i have seen her hogtied... but in Teen Line she just looked like unhappy... i dont think that was acting... but you be the judge. we all must admit that getting tied up when you know its gonna happen, wwhipped when you excpect it, is different than the unwanted or unforseen. Kink.com (if you read the preveious posts here) has a standard disclosure and assurance of profesiojnalism. the issue here is profesionalism, not abuse per se |
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| picmov New Member 5 Posts 5/09 | second I've just seen the scene commented here. I must say that I was shocked and aroused at the same time (I don't know but maybe I'm a little "crazy":)), I mean I couldn't stop watching, although I noticed that something wasn't right. But the interesting fact is where I found this scene. It's a site called bangextreme.com. I'm not making advertisement. I just point out that this incident, I'm sad to say it's not singular. On this site you can find all sorts of crazy shit like the one with cody lane. I even saw one with Crystal Ray where she actually cries. I mean that's to much. Not to be misunderstood about the Cody Lane incident. I think she wasn't enjoying it at all. I mean when I saw her she was screaming her lungs out, and I don't mean in a good enjoying her self way. I was amazed about the roughness. I mean they treated her like she was just a fuck doll. Also I must say that I was shocked that it was turned into a movie: Teen Line. I mean it has such an innocent title and the cover is nice. But when i browsed the scenes, I couldn't believe it. There it was, the Cody Lane scene and also Tia Tanaka. Further more Cody Lane didn't had a chance. I mean one guy was strangling her pretty little neck. Furthermore I listened to what they were saying. At one point she couldn't take it and she started to curse them. And furthermore at one moment just before the finish of the movie, she even told that she is listening to them, meaning that she was doing whatever they wanted, just to know that is finished. In addition that's how I came here. After watching the scene. I wanted to find out if Cody Lane knew about the scene's scenario. I mean for example if you watch movies from kink.com you see at the end of the movie or at the beginning , a short statement in which the actress talk about the scene, and furthermore I found on youtube a short clip in which Cecilia Vega was talking with the director of the movie about the scene, and also she knew that she had a SAFETY WORD, red. That means if she said red the scene would immediately stop. But poor Cody Lane didn't had such a word (or I don't know maybe she did, but I don't think so). On the other hand I'm more interested who is the sick fuck that directed the Teen Line movie. And also who is to blame we the viewers or they the producers. Because let's face it porn industry is all about the money, it doesn't have limits. Regarding the ending career of Cody Lane, I sincerely don't know. Because I've seen that they still release movies with her (even in 2009). I must say that I totally agree with dougdemanabout what he said regarding the safety of women (especially teenagers) in the porn industry. Maybe we could start with boycotting or even banning sites like bangextreme.com. I mean there are far more worse things on the internet niches rather than on mainstream adult movies. Also I think that realtip, the sick bastard would have been satisfied if Cody Lane would have bled a little. Furthermore I would want to talk with Cody Lane myself. Maybe someone could help me with an email or blog of hers. Also did anyone searched for a disclouser interview. I mean for example Aurora Snow before starting the scene in the movie Gang Bang Auditions, talked with the director about what will happen. I mean she did some things even rougher than Cody Lane from the sexual content point of view, I mean double anal and vaginal penetration not DP, but at least she knew what was coming, and also she wasn't abused and thrown around like a fuck toy. As a conclusion this type of scenes like the Cody Lane incident should be categorized as snuff (and as I know those are illegal in some countries, maybe even USA I don't know). And I know that this is a thread for an old topic but for me it's new :). so it would be nice if someone would answer it. especially about the Contact Info for Cody Lane. Thanks. PS: sorry for the cursing but I had to express my self, I mean the Cody Lane incident it's just wrong. you can censor me if you like, but just listen to me. |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | |
| picmov New Member 5 Posts 5/09 | but why am I writing. Well because I went again on bangextreme.com (I know nuts right), and I found a video with Nikki Hunter that is really disturbing. I mean this sh it's just wrong. See for yourselves: http://bangextreme.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=501&title=Nikki_Hunter_treated_like_dirt__BRUTAL____WTF I mean what is this. Even if the site meatholes.com has a disclaimer in which is stated that this is done in a consent agreement, I think is still wrong. I mean come on this stuff isn't even entertaining. Again who is the ash that directs and produces this kind of bs. Plus, from the same site I saw the video with Crystal Ray, that I mentioned before. I mean is this really entertaining? For who? How sick can you must be ? And yeah sure you can say stop watching, but the fact that this kind of sites exist should be an Alarm Sign for the porn industry. I mean this is what it become. I mean I'm a porn connoisseur in different areas from softcore, hardcore, and even some softcore BDSM. But this type of videos or movies found on bangextreme, meatholes, ghettogaggers (I mean the girl freaking vomits) and other sites from this genre are NOT OK in my book. For instance look at the European porn industry. I mean you see hardcore scenes like never before, but you don't see the women manhandled and abused. So I think this could be an opportunity for the people on this forum which are related with the porn industry to take a stand against this genre (which I think it's just a niche, but still you never know when it gets into mainstream). And don't tell that it's just rough, I mean is psychological torture (if you know what that means). And especially if realtiptells me that he ENJOYED the Nikki Hunter scene that I posted I think he is sick as f and he needs a shrink So I'm looking forward for your reaction. And if you like you could make a new topic of discussion (I don't know how:)), regarding the niche category represented through the sites mentioned. Please check the sites first and after that give me a response (again this is not a commercial, I don't know if I'm allowed to mention other sites or not) Thanks. PS: as you can see I censored myself. Am I allowed to do it? I don't know |
| picmov New Member 5 Posts 5/09 | http://bangextreme.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=888&title=Most_brutal_meatholes_scene_ever__intense_ watch it yourselves. I mean she must be a masochist or something. She really enjoys it. wtf , I can't believe it. maybe some girls are just like that. btw she isn't famous, maybe in UK,. who knows. thanks |
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| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | |
| picmov New Member 5 Posts 5/09 | Second I'm not doing advertisement. I just wanted to show you the links that I talk about. But from now own I'll be just talking without the links. Although some users introduced links in their post. I don't know how it's done. maybe someone could help me. Third is anybody interested about what I said in my previous post (the longer one). And if so how do we do a new topic. Because I think that I'm not allowed to post of topic. Or am I? thanks. |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | 1. yes you're allowed to post links. But when you're new to a board (any board) and every post you make is a link to the same place, it starts to feel like you're advertising for that site. I mean, no one knows who you are yet; all they know is that you keep sending us to the same site; know what I mean? 2. Yes you're allowed to get off topic, but at some point yeah, you may want to start a new thread addressing the new issue (if you want to talk about the new issue). This rule of thumb doesn't just apply to this thread, it should apply in general to everyone. Sometimes we get off topic, and there's nothing wrong with that, but at some point we should realize that what we're talking about maybe deserves its own thread. 3. STOP going to that site, man! You're hurting yourself! Go look at some non-extreme porn - there's certainly more than enough of it out there. And you're also addressing a person over and over who hasn't been in this discussion for months now. Why? Let the thread die a respectable death, and start a new one if you want. But really, you could save yourself and the rest of us a lot of mental anguish if you just STOP visiting that site. I don't even follow the links you're giving, because I know that what I see will make me upset. So you shouldn't go to those places either. edited to say: 4. To start a new topic, scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the "New Topic" button. It's as simple as that. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/9/2009 3:17:46 PM |
| StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06 | As has been discussed ad nauseam elsewhere, there is a HUGE difference between discussing what is going to happen, and then it actually happening. For example, in Cody Lane's scene, Tony T (his voice sounded like the director, not sure, didn't IAFD it before I posted) may have said "This will be a rough gang bang scene with some choking and slapping, anal and a DP". I was not there, I highly doubt he said "we are going to be slapping your face, tits and ass the entire time until they are bruised and red". Could she have stopped the scene, of course. But that is a cop-out line, think of it this way. These girls are not paid by the hour, they are paid by the scene. So, if she stops the scene, she may not get paid, or only get a model "kill-fee" or whatever it is called. Finally, I am not saying I am against rough sex, but directors should really take some strong precautions when during rough sex scenes for the sake of the industry. Firstly, release the video of the pre and post interview, that just seems logical. Secondly, make sure the girl is clearly into it, the fact that we even have to discuss whether or not Cody was okay with what happened shows this was not done. Thirdly, market your product accordingly, don't market it as a nice normal teen movie. |
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| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 |
I'm sure you can get Cody to testify to same. Cody, are you out there? These guys want to help you seek justice for this obvious case of violence against your person. Be my guest....unless, of course, you don't wish to make an even bigger fool out of yourself. |
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| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | Here you go....feel free to cut and paste. Attorney General’s Office California Department of Justice Attn: Public Inquiry Unit P.O. Box 944255 Sacramento, CA 94244-2550 Dear Mr. Edmund Brown Jr., |
| jrv Senior Member 1266 Posts 2/03 |
Original Entertainment apparently went out of business some time ago. The DVD is long out of print. |
| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | |
| hybernatinghumananimal New Member 1 Posts 10/09 | Porn actresses are usually on legal contracts. When you fill a girls belly with xanax and vicoden she becomes passive, when you tell her she can be sued for all she is worth if she doesn't complete a scene (defiance of a legal contract) she becomes a vile mans toy and when two actresses that undergo the same treatment either retire soon after (as I've read that Cody Lane did), or have never been seen in a scene since (Tia Tanaka), it should become a little more clear as to what the reality of their situation was. I don't believe in the christian god or even the aztek god(S)... but I certainly believe what Shelley Lubben says about the porn industry. And anyone who is curious should search for some speeches of hers on youtube, as I have found a few. Her official website is http://www.shelleylubben.com/ I have no affiliations with either website, This is just to get proper information out there and to end this tedious debating over separate perspectives, and thus separate opinions. Anyone who lacks compassion for other human beings should go somewhere quiet and die. That's my opinion. I hope it doesn't break any forum rules. -DJC |
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| jettyman Member No matter what size the tits are....play with them.... 732 Posts 12/08 | It always amazes me when the Cody Lane in Teen Line comes up. If you look at Cody Lane scenes, she is nearly always fucked roughly with lots of spanking, choking and tit slapping and she seems to act it out very well indeed. Of all the girls in that movie I think Debbi Dallas is the girl who is in too deep. Debbi is fucked by Tony T and John Strong, Both of those guys can be aggressive performers, especially Tony T. If you look at Debbi’s porn Career it seems to consist of one movie. Now if ever a girl bit off more than she can chew, it must be Debbi. The first timer was face fucked, spat at, choked, spanked, face slapped, tit slapped and very roughly fucked, no wonder Debbi only made one movie. |
| stalker199 Deactivated User 21 Posts 4/11 | I've seen very few movies like that, they're "Rough Sex 1" and "Rough Sex 2" Melissa Lauren - I wanna Get Face Fucked 1, Melissa Lauren - Unnatural Sex 12 That's it basically, other than those i haven't came across movies like that. if you know any other good rough movies/spaking women over their face and body, please let me know, they're really great and hard to find! |
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| CarlaBunny New Member 1 Posts 1/12 | So basically people ask if she enoyed it or not. Its really fucked up because we all talked about this b4 hand and agreed it was going to be very very super rough. At the same time it crossed a line but because she was living with Sascha at the time, and this was like in the BEGINNING of her career even though they didnt realise it till way later she was living with Sascha she wanted to be liked and didnt want to be on the street. Ok i typed a big long thing but it makes no sense. So I'll explain it this way. Cody Lane has her brain wired where i only enjoy sex if its dangerous and bad and i almost feel threatend. it had to cross a line to get me off. Yes i was scared. yes it hurt. Yes i cried for reals not acting. yes I screamed cause it was torture. BUT it got me off. It made a good scene. They didnt release it though because i was super new, and yeah i did sufer a litlte bit. i was shakey after. And joel because now he does casting and hes a big shot and is well liked he was afraid of people thinking they where seeing him rape soemone. Brian too was married or dating a girl though too and theg uys where afraid they would get in trouble if it was released so it was way delayed. So the fucked up thing is that Cody went through all that shit for nothing because by the time it had come out i had already proven myself in other videos. But then again i think they felt so bad for me i got a lot of work after i did that. So whatever. Right or wrong whatever. Take it as it is. Cody wsa scared, cody was hurt, cody was having a panic attack but thats waht gets cody off also. THE END. Now shut the fuck up about it. |
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