COHF site is closed down

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Bukkakepisser Member 11 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 1:09PM "Ray Guhn" from COHF was arrested and the site is now down. News article 1 News article 2 News article 3 [Link]
STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 3:08PM Severe criminals like internet pornographers immediately detained at Camp X-Ray, right? [Link]
king of rappers Member 225 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 3:09PM i don't get it. why are they being charged? what is the difference between what they do and what goes on in LA? "obscene material" because consenting adults are having sex on camera for money? you don't say! are they living in 1955 in Florida? [Link]
STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 3:15PM The two men, both arrested Friday, were charged with racketeering -- conducting a criminal enterprise by engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material ... Some actors and models were paid up to $1,000, according to the affidavit. People in supporting roles were paid about $300 or $400. Click to expand What´s then the difference between COHF and adult companies in the valley? [Link]
STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 3:18PM king of rappers wrote: i don't get it. why are they being charged? what is the difference between what they do and what goes on in LA? "obscene material" because consenting adults are having sex on camera for money? you don't say! are they living in 1955 in Florida? Click to expand No, but in the Bible Belt ... McNesby and the prosecutors said they were surprised at the large amount of money involved and the fact that filming took place locally. "If you had told me in '65 or '66 we would be investigating this, I would never believe that," said McNesby, an officer for 41 years. The investigation follows an earlier probe that led to the arrest in March of 16 people believed to be principals in 10 Escambia and Santa Rosa escort services that authorities say served as fronts for prostitution. Edgar said he expects all but three or four of those suspects to plead guilty. The rest will stand trial. "They are all solid cases," he said. McNesby said the crackdowns reflect the area's values. "We want people to know that we don't want this kind of activity in our community," he said. McCowen and his associates recruited and paid local men and women to engage in obscene group sexual activity, the affidavit states. The site principals also hired people to engage in "private parties" in which the principals were involved, the affidavit says. Some actors and models were paid up to $1,000, according to the affidavit. People in supporting roles were paid about $300 or $400. Click to expand [Link]

eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 6:16PM What a load of crap. Isn't Florida like the very center of US internet porn? COHF was a cool site, too. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 6:19PM Holy fuckin' shit! This was one of the best sites on the net, IMHO!! EDITED TO SAY: Ooops, I see that word "obscene" taking it's toll again. Another group of religious freaks I'd like to _____, for restricting the freedoms of everyone else in this country. Bukkakepisser wrote: "Ray Guhn" from COHF was arrested and the site is now down. News article 1 News article 2 News article 3 Click to expand Edited by - Eric381 on 6/29/2006 9:33:05 PM [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 6:45PM What's "COHF" stand for? I've never heard of it. [Link]
IWAdult Member 628 Posts 5/06	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 7:29PM COHF = Cum on Her Face This is ridiculous. Isn’t the law grasping at straws here? I mean seriously. How can they justify arresting these people if everyone is over 18, consenting and most likely signed documentation? What’s worse is these cops are probably acting like the just took down Al Capone or something. Acting like bad ass cops with their stupid cop mustaches. [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 8:22PM king of rappers wrote: i don't get it. why are they being charged? what is the difference between what they do and what goes on in LA? Click to expand The difference is precedent. Back in the 70's, porn was mostly shot in NYC, LA & San Francisco. These movies were shot while hiding from the law. Ususally, when caught, the producer would be arrested for pandering. Essentially, pandering is hiring someone for sex. Someone in LA fought this charge and won. I don't remember if the case was taken to a higher court or not. But the outcome was that he judge ruled that hiring people to have sex on camera for the purpose of distribution is not pandering. Once that happened, nearly all of the adult industry moved to the Southern California area where they wouldn't be charged with pandering. No such precedent exists elsewhere. I assume that the reason that the police are talking about prostitution rather than shooting a movie is that they intend to charge these guys with multiple pandering charges. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jun 29 2006 : 9:35PM Ergo, where it was more collectively accepted, sort of a cult of porn followers, producers, the like? It'll be interesting to say the least, I hope Guhn & company win this just to stick it up big brother's ass. Bill wrote: Once that happened, nearly all of the adult industry moved to the Southern California area where they wouldn't be charged with pandering. Click to expand [Link]
pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 12:57AM The case Bill is referring to is the Freeman case which makes it legal to produce adult content in Los Angeles county. POV is still illegal under Freeman though. A producer/director is allowed to pay others to perform sex acts on camera, however, the case never discusses POV types of scenes. Anywhere else and the producer risks prostitution/pandering as well as RICO charges. Michael [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 2:11AM But, they're doing it "for the children," aren't they? Assholes [Link]
Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 3:27AM Not that I disagree with COHF's practice by any means, or that I support any of this moralistic BS, but was COHF irresponsibly making itself more of a target? I've never subscribed to the site, but if the outdoor shoots I've seen in some of their clips, were conducted outdoors, merely in wooded areas in parts down south, and not the countrysides of Budapest, that might raise a red flag. Also, and correct me if i'm wrong, but don't they involve some of their subcribers with some of the bukkake shoots they produce, and use the practice in almost a form of advertising pitch in it's promotional online ads? From what I've understood, and simply for perspective, casts used in JM Production's American Bukkake, are also rounded up from the general public, yet even though they're made here in Porn Valley, still seem to be conducted with a certain degree of discretion, through relatively underground cattlecalls, and every AB flick I've ever seen, was filmed indoors. Not to suggest theres any halfway discreet, wooded areas left in LA. Edited by - Endless Loop on 6/30/2006 3:35:44 AM [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 3:56AM Endless Loop wrote I've never subscribed to the site, but if the outdoor shoots I've seen in some of their clips, were conducted outdoors, merely in wooded areas in parts down south, and not the countrysides of Budapest, that might raise a red flag. Also, and correct me if i'm wrong, but don't they involve some of their subcribers with some of the bukkake shoots they produce, and use the practice in almost a form of advertising pitch in it's promotional online ads? Click to expand If this is the case, then the entire porn industry is making itself a target as none of these practices are unique to COHF. This site has not been doing anything to single them out from any other porn company, but just as Bill said, this may be a precedent. First of all, this case is a reminder of the fact that pornography is not at all any different than prostitution, but is in fact the same. If the posters who responded before me are correct, Los Angeles must be the only place in the U.S. where it is legal to produce porn except for anyplace in the country where prostitution is legal. This is news to me as I did not know this before. But if it is true, it stands to reason that the guys behind COHF are being criminally charged on rarely enforced anti-porn laws. If it is illegal to shoot porn anywhere in the U.S. outside of L.A., then there would be a whole lot of pornographers in trouble besides just these guys. I'm thinking that the authorities in Pensacola must have just decided to pull some some antiquated law out from the woodwork to use against these guys. Shooting porn in Florida might be illegal (which makes one wonder why none of the other porn companies operating in that state are being charged), but if it is, I doubt if it was commonly enforced prior to this case. Bill is probably right that this COHF case is a precedent for non-L.A. pornographers. And if these guys lose this precedent, then I predict that we'll probably see a whole lot of other sites starting to shut down as well. [Link]

Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 4:05AM I'm so glad we have one of these legalistic types to translate for us Thanks Mike! Your intellectual assets are appreciated. pornlaw wrote: The case Bill is referring to is the Freeman case which makes it legal to produce adult content in Los Angeles county. POV is still illegal under Freeman though. A producer/director is allowed to pay others to perform sex acts on camera, however, the case never discusses POV types of scenes. Click to expand [Link]
James Jameson Member 114 Posts 5/06	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 4:19AM woaaa... i never knew porn was illegal outside of california...i just tought most of the porn shooting there was because it was more confortable (this is where hollywood is after all, and all the glamour) But this is weird, think about guy like BrunoB , the guy is in montreal, he is clearly saying on his website he shoot there, and on one shoot i remember he said he was in vacancy to Florida. I don't know if the law is different in canada, but that mean he could get arrested for that? This is weird, i always tought porn was legal as long as paper where signed... And when i read a maximum of 30 year in jail...i say WTF !!! Ok this may be the maximum and i don't think some judge would give that but actually just thinking about jail for porno, i mean normal porno, is just out of mind for me, the only thing that could be acceptable for me is something to pay, like 250 000 bucks but this is the very maximum. That really put me out of my seat... After all people should be able to have sex for money, what is the probleme with that, its there body after all... Edited by - James Jameson on 6/30/2006 4:28:34 AM [Link]
STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 5:36AM James Jameson wrote: woaaa... i never knew porn was illegal outside of california...i just tought most of the porn shooting there was because it was more confortable (this is where hollywood is after all, and all the glamour) Click to expand Since Guantanamo Bay it became clear that the sphere of action for the US Constitution is confined. [Link]
Lance Member My Life Sucks 386 Posts 4/05	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 6:34AM It is clearly election time in Florida / southern Alabama. Someone is scoring points. It isn't illegal to shoot porn. There's no law against that. Just that there has been no precedent set that says it isn't illegal. And for the religious right that's enough for a prosecution. I know the people who shoot COHF and I participate regularly. This is a bullshit prosecution and is further proof the US government is is niether for the people, by the people. The people are great; no doubt,, but the gov. needs a slap in the head to remember what freeedom means. www.alexandrabelle.com / www.makemoneyfucking.com Edited by - lance on 6/30/2006 6:35:42 AM [Link]
udar55 Member 66 Posts 5/06	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 12:33PM Well, I guess this explains why I couldn't log on today. Wow, I am really ashamed of my country sometimes. Talk about a mix up of priorities. Anyway, haven't the most recent COHF shoots been shot in Canada? [Link]
Lance Member My Life Sucks 386 Posts 4/05	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 3:39PM udar55 wrote: Well, I guess this explains why I couldn't log on today. Wow, I am really ashamed of my country sometimes. Talk about a mix up of priorities. Anyway, haven't the most recent COHF shoots been shot in Canada? Click to expand They have mostly. Some was still done in FL. Hopefully they'll come out of it, and make a precesent there too. www.alexandrabelle.com / www.makemoneyfucking.com [Link]
Philly30 Member 54 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 5:15PM Bill wrote: king of rappers wrote: i don't get it. why are they being charged? what is the difference between what they do and what goes on in LA? Click to expand The difference is precedent. Back in the 70's, porn was mostly shot in NYC, LA & San Francisco. These movies were shot while hiding from the law. Ususally, when caught, the producer would be arrested for pandering. Essentially, pandering is hiring someone for sex. Someone in LA fought this charge and won. I don't remember if the case was taken to a higher court or not. But the outcome was that he judge ruled that hiring people to have sex on camera for the purpose of distribution is not pandering. Once that happened, nearly all of the adult industry moved to the Southern California area where they wouldn't be charged with pandering. No such precedent exists elsewhere. I assume that the reason that the police are talking about prostitution rather than shooting a movie is that they intend to charge these guys with multiple pandering charges. Click to expand yes it was taken to the supreme court of california and it is legal to shoot porn anywhere in california. also in new york state there was ay similair court decison and also in other states i believe [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jun 30 2006 : 5:26PM Grand point Lance, I forgot about your & Alexandra's role in the COHF site. Please give our sincerest regards to Ray Guhn & company in light of this sickening legal powerplay fiasco. Lance wrote: It is clearly election time in Florida / southern Alabama. Someone is scoring points. It isn't illegal to shoot porn. There's no law against that. Just that there has been no precedent set that says it isn't illegal. And for the religious right that's enough for a prosecution. I know the people who shoot COHF and I participate regularly. This is a bullshit prosecution and is further proof the US government is neither for the people, by the people. The people are great; no doubt,, but the gov. needs a slap in the head to remember what freeedom means. Click to expand [Link]