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john lyons
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Posted - Jun 23 2010 : 1:02PM
After working now for close to half a decade in the gay XXX world, I'd really like to try my hand at directing a bisexual feature.
By feature, I don't mean 2 minutes of "talking" between every 10-15 min long sex scene, I mean a real story with characters where the sex is part of the plot, and the "plot" isn't sex.
So, with that said, I'd like to know what perspective viewers would wanna see is a bisexual FEATURE. Again, the emphasis is on the plot, not the sex. The sex scenes will be short (under 5 min each) and performed realistically, not "porny".
I'm mostly asking what kinds of stories and characters seem befitting to a bisexual film?
Jaktarn
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Posted - Jun 23 2010 : 5:33PM
Great Idea haven't seen enough bi films to be of any help about story and characters.
However, in most bi porn the guys are obviously gay and mostly into eachother hardly working the girl/girls at all.
I'd make sure the director pays attention that this doesn't happen. Then it could be good!
jakejd4949
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Posted - Jun 25 2010 : 10:24AM
I am hopeing to see some quality Bi stuff soon . There is a mrket for it , look what Joey Silvera , Nach Vidal and others has done for the transexual genre . If you don't think there are plenty of bisexual,s out there , just take a look on craigslist . That being said , it's important to get performers into each other , not gay guys willing to do a scene with girls. There are some very hot brazilian bi-sex series , where it's clear the guys like the females as much as each other . Back in the 90's there was a period in the early to mid 90's with some good(for the time) bi videos , I loved a vid called Family Affair with Flame , had lots of tension between brother and sister after the same guy . Tina Tyler , Fankie Leigh and Megan Leigh were in some good ones as well . There has been some good scenes lately from cuckold movies , with Gracie Glam , Andy San Dimas , Marie Mcray , Cameron Love , Chrissy Moon and others . It would be nice to watch soem porn with plot and story , dosn't have to be War and Peace , just create some story and tension . Kink does this with SexandSubmission and some of thier other sites .
gerva
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Posted - Jun 25 2010 : 11:10AM
Hi, I'll put my few cents here on what I have found to be rare. It's hetero facial cum kissing, licking, sharing (making cum disappear without the need of an edit). The popular belief seems to be that for straight actresses post pop kissing with the male is too personal, and for the male it's too gay. So my thinking is a lesbian actress and a gay guy should be just fine and could be a great love scene. And since you said "not porny looking" might as well stay away from old bald guys with a day old beard and a gotee but freahly shaven balls. For the actress you might avoid tatoos, bolt-ons, heavy dark make-up and (maybe for that scene only) full nudity.
prfb
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Posted - Jun 26 2010 : 12:05AM
If you're looking for plot suggestions...
How about one that's a comedy of manners? The husband thinks the good looking dude is coming on to the wife/GF, but he's actually coming on to the husband. Make it about people who have to work together in some intense place and there are lots of possibilities.
Or how about a class reunion trip where all those unresolved tensions (what exactly did happen in the frat house after the beer bust?) first get exploded all over the place and then get resolved...? Can the wife stand seeing her man get fucked?
You need a context where NEW behavior is likely, or at least possible. So sex can't be too buried, although I agree that plot should be something other than "let's do it!" I wonder how many guys first get exposed to bisexuality via swinging and other scenes like that?
And as an aside, I do agree that having the actors at least appear to be plausible "regular people" is important. Some of those films jakejd was writing about had that going on. Flame always appeared to be having a great time! And C.J. Bennett and Samantha Strong and Sharon Kane -- it was hot just to see them appearing to get excited by two guys making out...
 
jakejd4949
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Posted - Jun 26 2010 : 8:40AM
gerva and prfb are right , some names of girls without crazy boob jobs or bad tats , and who look like they enjoy what they are doing . Kristina Rose , Faye Reagan , Allie Haze , Jessica Young , Charlotte Vale , Gracie Glam , Aslley Orion and of couse the incomparable Jenna Haze .
Jaktarn
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Posted - Jun 27 2010 : 5:38PM
That family affair setup is a really smart one and would definitively work for a Bisex film!
samkurtfan
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Posted - Jul 3 2010 : 7:20AM
We are really in need of quality bi-stuff!!!
But what do we want to see???
I think the straight stars should take part in it all!!!
Suggestions what could be filmed:
Phoenix marie is making love to Samantha Ryan while being fucked in the ass by Lexington Steele who is sucking Franco Roccaforte's cock at the same time.
Franco is loosing control and shoots his load onto Lexington's face,then Phoenix and Samantha lick it all up en kissing eachother!
In the meantime Flower Tucci squirts all over the place together with Cytherea,covering everyone in the room!
Toni Ribas is fucking Harmony Rose very passionate and they both make a lot of noise.
Kurt Lockwood is licking Toni's asshole and sticks his finger in.
Toni Looses it and sprays his cum on Harmony's tits after that Kurt fucks Harmony from behind and gives her a tit massage with Toni's cum.
Phoenix ass is wide open and Nacho Vidal is spraying hot cum in it and then Jean val Jean sticks his cock in it and it is very slippery due to Nacho's cum.
Jean val Jean and Toni Ribas jerk eachoter of and spray their sperm onto the other-ones cock!
Samantha Ryan is getting fucked in the ass by Nacho,Franco and Lexington and then Phoenix has a go at her with a massive strap-on dildo!
Well this is the content we want to see: large orgies with a lot of quality stars doing everything to eachother!
Please let one of the companies step foreward and produce it!!!
phoenix_marie1
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6/08
Posted - Jul 4 2010 : 2:06AM
SamKurtFan... You Love The Idea Of Me In A Bi-Sexual Film Hmmm...
I got Ideas For Days!! =P I Have Quite A Sexually Twisted Open Mind!! =)
samkurtfan
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Posted - Jul 4 2010 : 7:04AM
Hi Phoenix,
Nice to hear that you like the suggestions!
I knew you would be in for it!
Wouldn't it be nice if such an orgy could be produced?!
I am sure there is a large market for it!
Any more suggestions???

franco
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Posted - Jul 4 2010 : 4:15PM
Phoenix,
If you are that open minded, you should work with Rocco Siffredi.
Or you should talk to nevaquit and work with Justin slayer, nat and them for a pipe layers scene.
Not sure if you can handle that.
TedtheBellhop
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Posted - Aug 24 2010 : 11:15AM
My
For me, most bi films are too gay as others here have suggested. Plus, they frequently don't have some of the male-male contact that I enjoy seeing in "straight porn," such as DP, DPP, and double oral.
My ideal bisexual film would have a "cuckold" twist (minus the humiliation, others might only call it a "hotwife" twist). A "normal" man and woman fall madly in love. They begin to discuss their fantasies with one another. The man discovers that the woman loves seeing two guys fooling around. She slowly coerces him into pushing his boundaries. He sees the enjoyment that she gets from her voyeurism and LOVES it. At the same time, she discovers that he really wants to watch her with another man/men and she wants to indulge his fantasy as well. They find themselves in multiple situations trying to please each other, without emotionally pushing each other over the edge. I think it would be completely groundbreaking if you could do this in a way that focuses on the emotional challenges that they face as well as the physical pleasure they receive.
PS - If you didn't include any transexuals, twinks or cross-dressers in the film, I'm ok with that.
PSS - If you get Phoenix Marie in the film you can charge me whatever you like!
PSSS - If you get Phoenix Marie to do a DP or DPP in the film, you can charge me double whatever you like!
T0MBOne
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Posted - Aug 24 2010 : 1:08PM
Taken in by a family or a couple, a drifter disrupts the order of things. Many mainstream examples to watch then take further with the bi-sexual bent---Pasolini's TEOREMA, Clint Eastwood and Don Siegel's fav film THE BEGUILED, even the Mazursky comedy DOWN AND OUT IN BEVERLY HILLS.
Also, I'll mention Bertolucci's THE DREAMERS because its mostly a three character study. Maybe something similar might be easier to achieve for your first film---TB
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 25 2010 : 3:59AM
That film is a remake of Renoir's BOUDU SAVED FROM DROWNING, which is a great film, and a porn version would really work actually. Great ideas TombOne, including a bi-porn version of TEOREMA.

Edited by - BlackSix on 8/25/2010 4:00:56 AM

T0MBOne
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Posted - Aug 25 2010 : 10:24AM
Yep, Mazursky remade BOUDU then it appears that de Rezny sort of remade DOWN AND OUT as MOVING IN also from 1986. MOVING IN is an interracial affair with characters quickly swapping and pairing up. So, MOVING IN might be worth a look, too.
Edited by - T0MBOne on 8/25/2010 10:25:02 AM
 
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 27 2010 : 3:17AM
Cool, I didn't realize DeRenzy had done a remake, I'd like to check that out. Hopefully it was still during his quality feature period and not his shitty video anal gonzo period.
T0MBOne
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Posted - Aug 30 2010 : 1:33AM
Black Six---MOVING IN is lesser de Rezny that looks like a crappy video production with a wacky black character and his white home girl disrupting the life of his neighbor played by Ron Jeremy. It's a far cry from de Rezny's better features. My review of MOVING IN is out there to read---TB
Rod
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Posted - Oct 10 2010 : 9:28AM
This tread may be dead (nothing posted for over a month) but just in case..... how about a girl dating two guys that doesn't want to give either one up and instead wants everyone to just get along. She can enjoy a 3some and also wants to watch her two guys enjoy themselves sometimes too. Lots of opportunities for B/G, B/G/B, and her watching some B/B action, and one of the guys watching her with the other guy. If they all three shared the same bed, the opportunities are almost endless.
TedtheBellhop
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Posted - Oct 10 2010 : 11:43AM
^
JohnW
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Posted - Oct 22 2010 : 7:42PM
I haven't watched many bi movies but my impression is that there are very few good ones if any. But just to make some suggestions:
1) Guys hold the same high standards as the girls (casting will be difficult since there is less good looking male talent, and less male talent that are willing to do this stuff). Since I prefer women that is the key, I for sure can't watch ugly guys get it on.
2) In group scenes (3 or more) there doesn't need to be both "full" straight and gay contact. For example a MMF scene can be 90% straight but include some spicy stuff like a girl working two cocks and make them touch each other while sucking/jerking them, or a guy masturbating to M/F fucking. I like both of those, but I rarely ever see it.
3) Mutual masturbation. M/F, F/F, M/M watching each other but not touching.
Cuddly Wombat
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Posted - Oct 23 2010 : 12:45AM
I have watched a few bi movies lately; primarily because they did a really good job with military uniform cosplay or because the girl was just so outstandingly hot (like the teen in the bi-barracks series) that I just never noticed the guys getting it on. I think that is the secret - hot girls and make 90% of the scene a standard straight b/b/g scene. Whenever the guys are up to something together, make sure the girl is also somewhere in the action in the scene. For instance, when the two guys are doing anal, make sure the 'bottom' is at that time having vaginal sex with the girl - so there is always some pussy in the close-up scenes.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 24 2010 : 3:51AM
There's some bi-action in Kimberly Kane's recent My Own Master.
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 24 2010 : 11:27AM
^ I heard about that - Wolf Hudson?
JohnW
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Posted - Oct 24 2010 : 11:51AM
Or better - anal with the girl!
But my problem with bi movies is just as much the fact that I prefer one on one. Scenes with three or more people are just less interesting to me regardless.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 24 2010 : 10:58PM
Yep, and some other dude who I don't recognize, it's just kissing while they get blown by KK but it's pretty brave to put that in a more-or-less 'straight' release.
BTW the g/g scene between Ava Scott and KK in the same video is great.
 
properM
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Posted - Oct 27 2010 : 10:04AM
Bisexual scene ideas for a feature.
- Girls who like to seduce gay guys. I like seeing girls make out and play with gay men. I know it is not "supposed" to happen, but it is really hot when it does. :)
- A gangbang scene with a very gorgeous woman, some really hot men, and a very very cute guy. It would be nice to see the cute guy fluffing or servicing the guys "waiting for their turn"... then the guys slowly start swapping their cocks from the girl into the boy before pounding him really good.
- Cute guy dressing up as a woman and then going out with his girlfriend to seduce a man (or men).
- Gorgeous woman giving her jealous boyfriends an ultimatum: Fuck each other or no pussy.
- Gorgeous woman with her gay "wingman"... both seducing a hot guy. (* I have been the "hot guy" in this scenario IRL, and let me tell you that this setup is a winner)
Unfortunately, porno-guys usually don't do it for me. Most of them are mildly-disgusting guidos who look like they enjoy snorting cocaine and wearing Christian Audigier at lame night-clubs in their free-time. Puke.
Adonis-handsome or boyishly cute: I am kind of picky.
Edited by - properM on 10/27/2010 10:06:39 AM
Edited by - properM on 10/27/2010 10:07:32 AM
prfb
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Posted - Apr 6 2011 : 12:23PM
Getting on to a year since this question was posed: has there been or will there ever be such a worthy bi-feature forthcoming? If so, how do potential buyers find it?
john lyons
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Posted - Apr 6 2011 : 4:31PM
It's still something I'd very much like to do, but finding men (not women) has been very hard. The "gay" ones can't stand the idea of touching naked women and the "straight" ones don't want to hurt their "images" by fucking men.
T0MBOne
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Posted - Apr 6 2011 : 7:02PM
Maybe a "sexual" stunt double for either the straight male character or the gay male character? Tricky, but it could be done---TB
Aplus
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Posted - Apr 6 2011 : 10:16PM
Well can you get any of the guys who are "seemingly" comfortable doing both and are not worried about their image either way. Not saying there a lot of them out there, but they do exist.
Feature films are rarely perfect all the way through IMHO, so I do think its ok to drop your expectations just a little....just a little, not a lot. 3 or 4 good performers can do wonders for any film.
ssoass
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Posted - Apr 7 2011 : 2:48PM
I would say look at straight 80s porn and work from there. How many movies had the plot of some bored couple looking to spice things up so they do a threesome or swap. Maybe have 2 couples interested in just swapping wives, but they get caught up in it (have a few too many) and there is some (maybe just oral) MM and/or FF contact mixed in with MF stuff. Then they can have some discussion and decide they want to try more of that sort of thing and go from there. The reason I mention 80s porn is I think this would be better if done from a cheesy/comedy angle than try to make a more serious/artsy movie.
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Apr 8 2011 : 2:32PM
I don't know what your geographical/financial situation is, but I just listened to The Morning After Podcast #35 and Lex Sabre (gay performer) said he wanted to do some bi work.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Apr 10 2011 : 5:16AM
Wolf Hudson also does bi scenes.
TedtheBellhop
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Posted - Jan 2 2012 : 4:58PM
Any progress here?
john lyons
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Posted - Jan 2 2012 : 9:35PM
No...I've been too busy with my [paying] work to do any personal projects...
I'm hoping to have the time (and money) to shoot another film this summer.
 
Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 2 2012 : 10:19PM
I hope you make it, I would love to see what you end up creating.
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 3 2012 : 10:30AM
Same here.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 3 2012 : 3:47PM
What are you thinking of shooting on?
john lyons
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Posted - Jan 3 2012 : 7:35PM
16mm.
Myload
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Posted - Jan 3 2012 : 10:29PM
I hope the movie will get made.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 5 2012 : 12:37AM
Cool, I was wondering how available the stock and processing still are.



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