Sorry, but I just have to rant here for a second...
How the hell did we jump directly to anal creampie eating - completely bypassing pussy creampie eating - as a focus in features?
Anal creampie eating has become a scorching hot trend with several titles surfacing recently that focus on it exclusively. "Cum Fart Cocktails," "Anal Cumsumption," "Sodomy Cream Pies," "Gooey Buns," "Cum Filled Asshole Overload," and now "Creampie for the Straight Girl" are a few examples of titles that focus on it. However, to my knowledge, only one studio has developed a title that focuses on pussy creampie eating exclusively ("Watch Me Eat My Creampie" by Juicy Entertainment, which I have yet to have the pleasure of viewing).
Why the hell is this?
I know some studios (Red Light District, Elegant Angel, Anabolic, Wildlife, Sticky Video to name a few) have titles that periodically feature a girl getting a pussy creampie and then tasting it or eating it, but until "Watch Me Eat My Creampie" that act itself had never really been given a title of it's own, let alone the multitude of titles that anal creampie eating has received. There have also been a few internet sites that have featured pussy creampie eating. I give Ghost Pro big props for Trixieswallows.com and Creampiecuties.com. Allinternal.com has also done a good job having the girls finger the cum from their pussies and suck their fingers clean. And JeanSwing.com, hell they practically pioneered it's presence on the web. But the same thing is true both with these sites and these films: the focus is only on the creampie, not seeing the girl eat it. You simply don't see the same sort of mission statement that you see in something like "Cum Fart Cocktails." I mean, with a flick like that you know these chicks are gonna be getting their assholes filled with cum and then licking up and swallowing every last drop. No excuses.
So, what gives? There are a couple reasons I can see why everyone has rushed to produce the anal variety of creampie eating over the pussy. One is the whole "Fear Factor" factor. You know, the shock value of "I can't believe she just ate that out of her ass! And with a smile! Wow!" Another is because it had never really been done before. It was new, exciting and raw. Then there's the old line that "pussies are bullshit." They're easy. Anybody can do pussy. But anal? Not every girl does anal. It's a challenge, something to be accomplished.
Now, maybe I'm old fashioned, but to me the pussy will always be more beautiful than the ass. And seeing a girl finger a thick white load from her cunt and then hungrily lick her fingers clean quite possibly might be the most glorious sight in the world (topped only by when she goes back for seconds).
Beyond all that though, some might say the reason is simply because there isn't a market for that kind of film, but I don't think that's true. Sure, it's somewhat of a niche type of flick, but no more of a niche than it's anal cousin. If anything, the recent popularity of creampie and swallowing films has proven there to be a tremendous market for a pussy creampie eating title. So, imagine if you combined them. Creampies + Swallowing? That's gotta be a sure-fire ticket for success. So, if that's the case, why aren't the studios hopping all over it?
I don't know. I'm really dumbfounded. I see a title like this as a real alpha opportunity for a studio, an area for someone to stake a claim and make a real name for themselves. Maybe what it will take is some visionary director to come in and spearhead it. Someone like Rodney or Mike John and what they did for swallowing, or Randy and Tyce for creampies. Someone who "gets" it and is passionate for it.
I mean, am I the only one who thinks this is one of the hottest things on the planet??? If I am, that's cool. I mean, it sucks, but I can accept it and understand it. But if I'm not, and this is something people would love to see, then why the hell aren't more features being made that focus on this?
Anyway, that's it. Any insight from you industry types or from regular fans would be cool.
I know you were probably trying to make a joke, but it was a rude one. If that's all you have to contribute to a thread, please just pass it by and don't post.
Also, please don't quote an entire post for no good reason. Use quotes sparingly, and when you need to use them please only quote the portion you are responding to. It saves the readers of the forum the tedium of having to wade through unnecessary verbiage.
First of all, I'm pretty sure the "unnecessary verbiage" refers to you quoting what I wrote, not the quality of what I wrote.
Second, sarcasm doesn't translate well through text. You can't expect people to know what's going through your head when you post. If you're fucking around, post one of these ;) things and move on.
Third, I truly don't care. I don't want this thread to degrade into a stupid internet argument. I'm curious to hear what folks have to say about what I wrote. So, after your inevitable response to what I've just written, let's get back on topic.
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Posted - Mar 28 2005 : 3:48PM
It is rather fascinating that vaginal creampie eating films do not abound. The Fear Factor theory could very well be true in regards to the ACPs as could the why bother with pussies theory. Perhaps it's the anal the folks seem to prefer purchasing. I'm curious how the very excellent "Cum Fart Cocktails" sold. But truthfully, given the choice between the pussy pies or the ass pies my preference for the latter cannot be overstated.
Nobody likes to admit it, but most porno freaks are into domination/humiliation big time, maybe without even knowing it. And that's the driving factor behind DPs, A2M, facials, swallowing, fisting, spitting, and just about any anal activity you can think of. Pussy sex is all about love and romance in my mind, and I don't want to go there, except in real life.
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Posted - Mar 28 2005 : 5:53PM
I wouldn't say that. A portion may go for it, but to say 'most' just doesn't hold water very well.
Although I am a fan of anal in porn, I think that creampie eating from the pussy is far sexier. In my opinion, part of that would be is because it is a realistic fantasy. Women often taste juices from their vaginas during sex and cum may be one of those fluids.
Anal is thrilling and taboo and can have a gross-out factor.
The pussy is softer and sexier.
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Posted - Mar 28 2005 : 6:33PM
Well, everyone knows my take on this. I enjoy anal and swallowing as much as the next guy, but vaginal semi's have been neglected. Feltching would be a tremendous bonus to that.
Thanks for the replies, guys!I'm really curious to see if the porn-viewing population prefers anal sex over vaginal. I wish their was a poll somewhere we could all take. I admit, I'm really not into anal at all. Sometimes anal creampies can be hot as hell, but for the most part I just fast-forward when the now standard anal section of a scene begins. Nothing against it, I'm just not into it.I kind of disagree with you. I consider myself to be a MASSIVE swallowing and creampie fan, but I get real turned off when the makeup starts the run and the choking begins. Again, I'm not trying to knock someone else's fetish (you really can't, after all), it's just not my thing. It doesn't get me hot to see a woman abused or scared, even if she's acting. I watch porn to see women want me, not to put them down.
I also don't think that domination and humiliation are always linked, and this is where I kind of agree with what you said. I think there are degrees to everything, and I would agree that most porn - even straight non-gonzo Jill Kelly-type stuff - has a tinge of domination to it. After all, you're seeing a beautiful woman, like Jill, submit to having sex with you. In other words.. you the man!
I also don't think that domination or humiliation are exclusively what's behind "DPs, A2M, facials, swallowing, fisting, spitting, and... anal." I think it all depends on the tone of the scene. If you have a scene where the girl begs in this really soft voice to taste the cock of the guy who's banging her in the ass, then that doesn't smack of domination or humiliation. She's into it, man. She wants to do it. I think the tone of the scene can change everything and that no act has one exclusive emotion behind it. Sure, some naturally lend themselves better to certain acts (like DP, for instance), but I think they can all be played with. How you play the scene - hard or soft - determines the emotion that's being catered to in the viewer. You play it soft and it's about catering to and satisfying one desire (like acceptance). You play it hard, it's about another (like domination). You play it even harder and it's about another (like humiliation). That's my pop-porn-psychology theory anyway. ;)
The consumption of the creme filling, appeared more as an encore to cumfarts. A closing finale, to its grand spectacle, and IMO, one of the last acts that can still carry some shock value to the senses, somthing which with respect to the pussy, has long been difficult to come by.
Personally, creampie eating falls secondary to the cumfart, an act the pussy just does not perform very well, and never will, circus cases notwithstanding. When the camera zooms in, on a freshly jizzed asshole, one never knows just how forceful its gonna blow. The cum may fart out as a showering spray, or cascade into a steady stream barely missing the lense. It could studder step down as a clumping mass, or perform a unique combination of any and all, or might even do as its close knit cousin inherently does, and dryheave a slow coagulatimg blob. The cumfart has a mind of its own ,and as such, is a thing of strokable, wondrous joy that for some, have been the main course to a long awaited feast, and which eating a creampie desert seemed to naturally complement.
I suppose the eating part, is more like an aftershock after being rattled by a big fart quake. Unfortunately the pussy only suggests another tremor, and even those often require our assistance.
Then again, you get a pussy like Aurora's and that shit'll just pour out like a river. lol ;) I gotta say though, I like the little struggle that goes on to extract the jizz after a pussy creampie. She needs to work for her dessert, an act which indicates desire and determination. Hot as hell, IMHO.
I think you touched on something really good though. Anal creampies, because of the potential volcanic explosion one might get are exciting to watch, and therefore lend themselves to the screen very well. They're a spectacle, by nature and in a way that pussy creampies can't quite be (unless, we're talking multiple, multiple loads like in a Denni O flick or "65 Guy Creampie," which I hope we would be).
I too wonder how porn went from watching a woman sucking a man cock right out of another woman pussy to licking and sucking the cum from a man balls straight from her asshole. But you know what? I love it. And this is where almost where all of my rental and buying money goes now. I don't buy anything with condoms, or has Vivid on the boxcover or is just pussy fucking only. Even though I would enjoy a video of woman playing with their pussy and getting it all wet and sticky in real close up fashion. Creampie eating, licking and sucking is here to stay. Plus some girls really gets off on it while getting paid the extra they deserve.
i agree. i'd rather see a movie like "cum filled asshole overload" be called "cum filled pussy overload", but the circus act of extreme anal stunts seems to be today's flavor.
but if someone were to do a cum-outta-pussy film i would hope they'd do it *right*, ie: where multiple guys would shoot into the girl piledriver style and once she's filled up turn her over and have some other gal get the cream dripping all over her like a huge facial. they did this with Jessie J in RLD Gangbang #1, altho she didnt dump the cum over a girl, just the floor. (what a waste) but that's the way to do it where it looks good on film.
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Posted - Mar 28 2005 : 11:21PM
Now you're talking my language! 5, 6, I dunno, maybe 8 loads shot into that gaper in pile-driver, then let it all run out - fuck, there wouldn't be anything left of the RW button. Of course, it would have to be chugged down once out.
But really, my preference is not full-internals, but rather having the loads shot into the widened gape from above - much like they do when shooting into a girls mouth. I want to see the splooge enter in!
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Posted - Mar 28 2005 : 11:23PM
Hey Glory Boy! Where you been? Can you believe we posted similar concept at the same time? We should start our own company.
My sentiments exactly. Of course, "right" is usually pretty subjective. If I were to do it though, it would go something like this:
It's like "5 Guy Creampie" except there's 2 chicks and one more guy. Each girl gets creampies continuously throughout the scene (the whole cumshots-only-at-the-end thing is really getting played). If we're talking 6 guys, that's 6 loads over the course of the scene. As each creampie is delivered, it gets eaten by one of the girls, either the girl who received the creampie or her friend. Whenever a load is eaten we see the girl savor it and then follow with a clear swallow with proof (you know, standard swallowing rules).
This is the basic format which can then elaborated upon. You could change the number of guys (hopefully increasing and not decreasing the number). You could change the number of girls. You can alter how the loads get eaten. For instance, you could have one girl receive all the creampies and the other girl swallow them. Maybe that girl even swaps some of the loads back to her friend to swallow. You could have it where instead of swapping, each girl squeezes her own creampies out into a glass and drinks them down. Maybe she collects all the loads in her pussy (with her ass up to prevent spilling) and then squeezes them out for her to drink. You also could have someone feed the girls their creampies with a spoon or have the girls suck them from their pussies through a tube. etc. etc. etc. You get the idea. The cool thing though is that the format allows for some variation. This would help keep it fresh, and hot. The one thing that would not change, however, is the fundamental rule: each creampie must be swallowed.
The whole idea behind this kind of thing is "cum love." You know, "Not a drop gets wasted" kind of stuff. I.e. no spilling on the carpet like what Jessie J did in Gangbang #1. In a film like this, that's sacrilege. That's really the most important thing. As long as you get that right, and get girls who are on the same page as you, then you can change up the format and still have it be a success.
Anyway, if I was directing, that's the film I'd make. :)
If that is what you like, check out Elegant Angels Gang Bang Angels # 5. We dumped 14 loads of cum into Bridgette Kerkoves gaping ass, while she was in piledriver. Every single drop of all of our cum, seeped deep into her spent ass. Then I had her get on all fours and cumfart every single drop out! We did this to Bridgette Kerkove in June of 1999. I was proud as a peacock for making that happend and I still am to this very day! Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" The more cum in a girls ass the better. Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn
Lol, I was totally going to mention that scene when he mentioned he was into gapes. A total classic scene that is right there. While I generally prefer the vaginal over the anal, that one always sticks in my memory as one of the great anal cp's of all time.
Ejac, no kidding man! when you give something a good review i know i will like it as well.
Omen, good point about having the creampies happening throughout the film. i've felt that for a long time, that when you have multiple guys involved with a girl, the cumshots should begin earlier and continue through the course of the film. i love seeing a girl getting fucked while she is plastered with cum or it's still dripping out of her from guy to guy. the "money shots at the end" are de riguer but that's one status quo that i think could be improved on. after years and years of porn being filmed, it seems too staged now.
Oh, totally man. I couldn't agree more. While not everyone does this, there are some studios that will. Kick Ass pictures, who makes "5 Guy Creampie," is one example. Tyce Bune is also a machine when it comes to doling out load after load in succession. And he's just one guy! Vince also did this a little bit in his "Young Ripe Mellons" series (of course, this was with swallows, and this does seem to be pretty much norm now in swallow flicks - thank God). Puaka Vision is another studio that will do a lot of continuous creampies (as well some eating). Devil's FIlms will also do this periodically in "6 Black Sticks" (like the surprise creampie in the middle of Kami's recent scene) and in "Gangland CP" (like in Arianna's scene) - not to even mention what they do in their "50/65 Guy Creampie" series. Of course, the Anabolic guys do a good job with this in their brilliant "Gangbang Girl." I mean, with GBG the shots do only come after a vigorous jam session, but they go on for so long that it makes up for it.
I think it's fucking awesome when the loads are doled over the course of a scene. I just wish more folks would embrace that approach.
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Posted - Mar 30 2005 : 6:00PM
Hey Skeeter - Been there man. In fact I wrote a review which earned a perfect 10. Unfortunately, it was only available on VHS at the time.
The problem is, nothing is available like it today. And back on topic , nothing like GBA5 has ever been done into a gaping cunt.
Maybe you can help change that?
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Posted - Mar 30 2005 : 6:19PM
Hey thanks Glory Boy. Good point - the cumshots should begin earlier and continue through the course of the film.
I keep getting my ass kicked for promoting JT/GGG, but they seem to be the only ones doing it. I'd be glad to entertain a U.S. line, but the fucking pussies (I'm not talking about the girls) won't even go there. I swear they must be fucking gay (no offense toward people who are).
Hey, not to get on some tangent, but ever notice how the radio plays the same bubble-gum pop shit day in/out? That's U.S. porn.
Edited: I'm not being completely literal with my comments. I'm just generalizing what the industry offers. So no hard feelings!
Ejac, are you saying that GGG won't distribute their stuff in the states? If so, did you know that Black Widow productions started releasing their stuff in the US like back in October? They have a ton of titles out now, but I think they had to edit out all the pissing stuff. I'm not into pissing, so I don't miss it, but some folks might. If that's not what you were saying, and I misinterpeted you, just totally discount what I just said. ;)
And people give you crap for promoting GGG stuff? Why? They rock! They're the ones who first got me hooked on swallowing. All the old TBob's clips floating around the newsgroups. I will say that the films themselves are too short (usually only about 60 min. in length), but it's all good GGG stuff.
And yeah, you're right about the gapes. I just did a search and the only person who comes close to doing what you're looking for is Denni O. Denni's ain't one of the hottest chicks, but she does go places with cum that others don't. "Denni O #3" and "Denni O #50" are two that might be worth checkin out for the multiple gaping pussy creampies you're lookin' for (if you haven't already, of course).
Oh, and BTW - where do you post your reviews? Do you have a page, or are they here in the ADT reviews section? Thanks! :)
yea, GBA5 had a great ending, i agree a pussy version would rule, BUT with the request that the camera have a better angle. i thought the camera angle on GBA5 was a bit low and you couldnt really see the jizz going into her ass. if the camera had been a few inches higher it would have been *perfect*
i'm also surprised by the GGG bashing, but i think US studios have come a long way (no pun intended) to cathing up and exceeding GGG extremity. for a while i couldnt get enough of GGG bootlegs because there were no US videos doing the "girl fucking a couple guys then getting bukkake'd by 20+" scenario. the girls havent been the hottest but there have been some really cute GGG girls over the years (my fave being Goldy, one of the "oldschool" GGG girls as well as Cissie and a few others whose names i cant remember)
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Posted - Mar 31 2005 : 5:57PM
Omen - GGG is available in the states, and I am familiar with BW. I was trying to say that there aren't direct U.S. competitors to JT/GGG. Face it, even 5 Guy Cream Pie cleans up between guys. A couple of GGG vids use dildos to pack multiple cum loads deeper into the girls cunt - close ups at that.
50 Guy Cream Pie, now that has potential, but Devil's is so fucking mechanical it's pathetic, and totally ruined the first two. That series has more potential than any other if they would only get their shit together.
Denni O, I've made reference in other posts. Either you gotta buy foreign, or live with women who are old & fat (no disrespect intended).
Glory Boy - couldn't agree more about the camera angles in GBA5. But in 1999, it was unheard of to do anything like that. Had I reviewed it recently, I would have taken points away. Wow, I never thought I'd disagree with you on anything, but I have yet to find a U.S. studio even compare to foreign - unless you're specifically talking about angles/clarity?
Hey, Skeeter has some balls given what he has to work with, I even sort of like some of his stuff. But comparing him to John Thompson? Yeah, right ! John boy got him licked. In fact, with John there's no such thing as negotiating - you either do it his way or you're out the mother-fucking door - and you'd better make sure the fucking mafia isn't after you on the way out
Sorry I'm long-winded - me and the old lady are downing a six pack.
Tell me about it. That's why I started this thread. Hopefully we can bring the issue to the attention of the producers and directors in the industry so we can finally get some good friggin pussy creampie eating flicks out there on the market! ;)
Hey - again, where are your reviews posted? I'd like to check em out.
I agree the JT and his GGG's have been unfairly ripped around here, but at the same time, neither have I seen JT attempt to change any viewpoints. Given his ongoing unwillingness to even pay a visit, and maybe introduce or represent his product's arrival to the US, its almost surprising things haven't been worse. I suppose its a testament to his work, and the films, which speak for themselves in light of that. Hell, I'm an anal cream pie fan, first and foremost, and while GGGs may occasionally pop internally, its hardly their focus, yet still, pound for pound, they've proven to me to be the best nutcrackers out there. That said, JT has indeed polished his work and formula, but its a reciepe he sticks to without variance. In what I've seen, he basically achieves by raining load after load upon writhing, amorous, nymphets and eventually, among the lather his brilliance is established.
Skeeter on the other hand, is a pornographic dynamo. In what I've seen, he's constantly adapting to any and all variables, actively broadening, challenging, and perfecting his talents on a broad scope, continually searching to perfect the next cumshot.
Ejac, i think GGG hit its prime around 2000-2....it's still a great series but it's also gotten a bit mechanical. I would love to see John Thompson do the 50 guy cream pie concept. i think he would do a lot of the things that we have been critical of Devil's Film not doing. Given he's been making the same movie for years, i am surprised and disappointed he hasnt gone the 50 guy CP route yet.
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Posted - Apr 1 2005 : 10:06PM
Omen - My reviews are at creampie.com. I've got a few posted here, just search on Ejac.
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Endless Loop - I don't believe anybody needs to prove anything. Skeeter brought up GBA5. I gave it a 10, but good, bad or indifferent, that title is over 6 years old! In my mind he was trying to defend himself. 6 years old? Come on! Skeeter has since established a fan-base, his followers are obviously happy with what he does.
Agreed - pound for pound, JT has the best nutcrackers out there!
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Glory Boy - Great point. As much as I like JT, it is pretty much the same. But aren't other comapnies lines? The only way I can defend JT is by the fact that I can see every act imaginable in any single one of his vidoes. No one else can remotely make that claim. And the girls he's using now are drop-dead fucking hot! That to me is a solid "best buy". I'd like him to try some new things, but not at the expense of doing less.
Thanks to all for the positive remarks about HT and GGG. You are right when you say it is JT's way or the highway. He will not even consider changing his style. There is a step-up in the production value in his John Thompson line which we started releasing last week with the first title Sperma Titten. We had some technical problems and did not release any new GGG titles in March, but are back to weekly releases of GGG titles along with all of our British titles. We have thought of shooting a GGG like line in the US using known girls, but to do it like John may be in violation of California law (pimping and pandering), but our lawyers are looking into it. If there is anyone in the US that could direct this series it would be Skeeter. I have used Skeeter to direct for me while I was at Private, and he is a personal friend. I am also a fan of his work, probably the hottest titles Private ever put out were his work. Thanks again for all of your support for Black Widow's products! P.S. Check out our new contract girl Malou from Denmark....HOT!!
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Posted - Apr 19 2005 : 11:16PM
I'm not a lawyer, but am somewhat familiar with porn law, be it vague. You're saying that it's because of U.S. law that this type of content isn't produced here. I understand a few U.S. companies film overseas. Why not ship our home-grown chicks/talent to somewhere it is allowed, preferably at JT's dungeon?
One of the reasons that JT is successful is that he runs and ad in the Munich paper for guys that want to be in a porno. They must show up with 100 Euro's ($130 US) and a clean, current HIV test. They are only guaranteed to beat off on a girl. John will get 50-80 guys showing up. He will generally get one to two women who also show up that work for free. He then hires 1-2 porno girls and a couple porno guys to start the action. So basically, all of his production costs are covered and he has a bunch of willing players. If I charged guys to be in a movie, that would be pimping...to use that many guys in a regular movie would be cost prohibitive. Only in Munich!!
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