Daylight Savings Time, is it really Necessary? 972 Posts 3/04
Posted - Jun 30 2004 : 8:06PM
I took a walk through a video store today and saw that all of the creampie dvd's and vhs's were gone. I went up to the counter and talked to the manager and asked him if these titles are usually out and to my surprise he said yes. I have often wondered how these titles due up against the regular "gonzo" lines? Especially since a lot of people I have talked to say it's disgusting and I have often thought they cater to a small group (like me). Any input from industry people would be great!
Cream Pie movies are probably one of the top selling genres out there. Hot sex and a good cream pie = bestseller. For example: my Creamed 1 and 2 and Internal Explosions 2 as hard as I try, I can't keep them in stock. Stores, Internets, mail orders, and jobers just love them because it is an easy sell for them.
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Posted - Jun 30 2004 : 9:30PM
Well that's good to hear. It also might have to do with the growth in titles coming out for this genre. As well as having internals poping (no pun intended) up in other film series.
Creampie movies indeed tend to sell very, very well. Doesn't mean that making them is the right thing to do ... A couple of months ago some distributors were hesitant to take them for a little while, with all the publicity surrounding the HIV outbreak. But I suspect they're over it. Hey Oren, don't even know if you have one, so please understand no personal offense meant, but if you had a sister would you let her do an anal creampie video? Just wondering.
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Posted - Jun 30 2004 : 11:47PM
ooo like the new pic Heaven!!! I can understand about the HIV thing but it just seems like just this year middle of last Creampie films are really starting to come out.
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Posted - Jul 1 2004 : 12:24PM
Anal. Vaginal ones just have the "squirting" that anal has besides I don't get to see much anal cum squirting in my sex life. Most women I have been with decide not to do it very often but there are some instances when I get my way!! hehe. I like it when the squat or bend over.
Following specious logic: well they keep rolling out new creampie videos so that means they must sell really well.
I imagine that they must rent and sell well. However, I really do not ike cream pies at all. I have seen cream pie films where the sex was great but the cream pie ending consistently did nothing for me.
With the HIV crisis, I hope that this trend stops as companies like Platinum X announce that they will no longer do cream pies in their productions. That would make me immensley happy. However, for those of you who do really like cream pies then I feel bad for ya'. From my standpoint, it would suck if all companies just stopped doing facials out of health concerns (creepy...mandatory condom use...this wouldn't be a hypothetical situation any more).
I have a solution which we tried it on Internal Explosion 2 and it work really well and no one complained. We shot couples. The scenes were hot, the girls felt safe and there was no health risks.
I think Oren means he shot "couples" as in husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend performers. There is still a health risk (there always is) but if the performers feel safe together then it's okay.
I could have understood wrong. He'll probalby clarify.
sorry for not being clear. I ment couples like boyfriend and girlfriend, husband and wife. As a performer, there is the risk issue, but it is much less when couples are involved.
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Posted - Jul 1 2004 : 6:24PM
I really don't want to start an argument but the health risk is no different then regular vaginal or anal sex especially when cum is expelled near the orifices. Most certainly in condom-less porn there are pre-cum issues and I'm sure a little leak occurs quite often and there is just as much concern over that then there is over creampies. Especially since so many people are saying "cream pies are dangerous" and continuing to show pops on butts or assholes/pussies. It sounds like a rather shallow excuse not to do creampies.
What you said makes sense to me, but in the porn world they have different opinions about how HIV is spread. Mucous membranes are mucous membranes and any HIV infected fliuds like semen that come in contact with a mucous membrane there's a risk. I got into an argument recently in another thread about a simlar subject.
There is a much greater risk of being killed in a car accident then HIV seroconverting from heterorosexual sex.....statistically you're better off throwing away the condom and putting on a helmet and 5 point harness system on your car along with a cervical neck support.
The vaginal mucosa is an excellent viral barrier in comparison to the rectal mucosa due the the difference in cellular geometry. Sme goes for the oral mucosal tissue.
The question isn't whether heterosexuals can seroconvert fro heteroseually vectored HIV, it is what are the RELATIVE risks, and that answer is incredibly low.
Remember, today you ingested over 1000 viral particles of variants of rhinovirus and influenza, the question is, why don't you have a cold or the flu?
I agree with that part. In porn not using condoms is fine with the testing and all, but in regular life it isn't worth the risk. I wouldn't play the percentage game when my life is involved.
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Posted - Jul 2 2004 : 3:51AM
Eh, no one really forces people to take jobs whether it be a creampie or codom only film however I'm sure it would be a good feeling knowing you are safe doing it. Even though the vaginal canal has thicker lining doesn't mean HIV can't be transmitted. All and all the risks are there whether a woman has a creampie (anal/vaginal) or has cum sprayed on her pussy or ass. Even like a said "pre" cum can infect. It's a chance any way you look at it. I just think that stopping or not doing a creampie film on the basis of HIV or Aid's infection is pretty dumb considering it can happen with or without creampies. The only way to prevent the thing is to wear a condom or not do it at all.
Pretty dumb Socratic argument. Hey DAC, would you let your sister get buttfucked on film? If the answer is no, should we do the right thing and ban anal?
While we're at it, hey DAC, would you let your sister get on her knees, suck the dick of a person she met 5 minutes before, and get a eyeball full of jizz on film? If the answer is no, should we also ban blowjobs?
This higher moral preaching is getting a bit tiresome, especially for a guy who recently shot numerous anal cream pies. Lead by example bro.
With that in mind, I'm aware that cream pie movies sell very well. I believe it was Dion that said that a volume of Cum Drippers sold better at one point than any title at RLD. I'm also aware that 5 guy cream pie is one of Kick Ass' best sellers too.
As long as the performers are willing, let them decide what they want to shoot.
In addition to HIV seroconverting from heterosexual sex, here are some other behaviors where there is also a possibility of dying:
Drowning while swimming at the beach Getting eaten by a shark Being electrocuted Being on a jet that is crashed by terrorists Being on a train that derails Being thrown from a horse and having your neck broken, killing you Aquiring from eating beef Variant Creuztfeld-Jakob disease (bovine spongifom encephalopathy aka mad cow) Being shot in a drive by shooting Smoking cigarettes (this is gross anyway) Being decapitated by Arab terrorists Being attacked,killed & eaten by a mountain lion while mountain biking Being struck by lightning
All fo these behaviors regularly kill people, so since it is better to be safe then sorry, here is what you should do?
Wear a life vest while swimming Wear a stainless steel chain mail suit while doing so to protect against sharks, but increase your personal flotation device by 20lbs of bouyancy Live in an electricity free home or always wear a full rubber suit Dont fly on planes Don't ride on trains Don't eat beef Don't ride horses Don't smoke (that should be a given) Don't live in the city Don't travel to countries where they may be an Arab Don't hike or ride mountain bikes in the mountains Don't golf
And most importantly, don't ever be in a car.
The risks are just not worth it, you never can be too safe you know!
Just for the sake of completeness, and sorry for being off-topic, statistically, the most hazardous sport in Europe, probably in US also, is fishing . It causes more deaths than any other sport.
Why? Overhead power cables, graphite rods, and casting from the middle of a river are not a good combination. Thigh-high waders, deep holes and the middle of a river are not a good combination. Finally, there are thousands and thousands of participants and they participate frequently.
So fishing is another behavior to avoid. And remember too, staying at home is not an option since most accidents occur in the home.
Oren, you side-stepped my question, though I'm not surprised. Chico, you know very well that I am leading by example, because I indeed do NOT shoot anal -- or vaginal -- creampies anymore, and have made very public statements to that affect, and even said so in my latest movie.
I'm really not trying to get on your case DAC. I just find it awfully hard to criticize people for shooting what they want between consenting, informed adults.
It's one thing if a person was railing about creampies from day one. It's another thing if someone rails against them after the fact. To me, that's hypocrisy which questions an individual's motives especially the louder they are.
Creampies are a niche that alot of consumers purchase and it's up to the individual producers if they want to continue shooting it.
There were about 40,000 people killed in or by motor vehicles last year. Interestingly there were also about 40,000 new cases of HIV last year. One study suggest as many as a third of these transmissions occured through heterosexual sex.
Considering how much more time people spend in cars than they do having sex, I'd feel a lot safer in a car wearing a seatbelt than having unprotected sex with multiple highly promisious partners.
Consider a course in statistics at your local community college.
Whatever Jewel said during the hysteria may be different from the policy today.
We all, including myself, fell for the 'sky is falling' hysteria and enacted self-policing policies as we saw fit.
The only thing I ever said is that I will never shoot again any male/female that violates the quarantine. And that stands today with a handfull of performers that violated the quarantine.
I also pay for any performer's test if they ask as long as I'm shooting them on a two-week basis.
PXP, I believe, also adopted similar strategies of self-policing including a 2 week quarantine on foreign performers.
I may be wrong about PXP but these are basic guidelines that hopefully contribute to safety for individual performers.
TonyC, as to the 40k new seronvertees you claim, if I were a male homosexual or intravenous drug absuer considering they are the overwhelming risk group, I am sure it may then concern me...but I am not, so it doesn't.
The fact remains that if you are neither a IDA or male homosexual, you are far more likely to be killed in a car accident then HIV seroconverting from hetero sex.
Again, you assertion of "facts" completely ignores that most people spend a lot more time in cars than they do having sex.
Annecdotally, the chances of contracting HIV as a part of AIM's tested and monitored talent pool are roughly 1:1500/year. The stastitics of being killed in a traffic accident are roughy 1:10,000 year; somewhat less if you make a habit of wearing a seatbelt.
Luke, are you in favor of using condoms for hetrosexual sex or just anal sex? I'm just trying to figure out where you are coming from. We obviously disagree about how easily HIV is spread. Please don't give a laundry list of stats...
TomC, if I ever start having sex as much as I drive cars, I will be sure to note that.......nevertheless if you can provide a link to your AIM talent seroconversion stats as well as your driving stats or point me in the direction I would be much obliged.
PornoPunk, what I am in favor of is modifying behaviors based upon relative risks. These relative risks must be based upon sound science and reasoning, not politically motivated fearmonering, exaggeration and outright lies. As an example, when I mountain bike in inclement weather, I do not fit myself with lightning grounding protection. I will not do a shoot with a Brazilian chick in Brazil. I swim in the ocean with abandon even though there is a possibility of being eaten by a shark. Another example, I ask to be the first person a girl does a shoot with afer her last test, and I do one shoot, one test for me. I am frankly far more concerned with chlamydia and HSV type 1 &2.
Even though the CDC has publically admitted exaggerating the heterosexual HIV risk (want the name of the CDC offical who admitted it?) their breakdown of risks groups shows that the risk of heterosexually vectored HIV is very low.
The well regarded peer reviewed Padian study showed just how difficult it is to vector HIV from heterosexual sex.
So PornoPunk, I do not advocate condoms or no condoms, I advocate people making choices based upon facts, not hype spread by the homosexual AIDS organizations as a means of freeing up funding and the religious right who has an issue with physical pleasure and the left who is allied with the AIDS activists.
I would give $100 for advance copies of RLD Elastic Assholes and Cum-Filled Asshole Overload. If it is a creampie theme, with caveat emptor being nice looking cast, well produced, beautiful asses with clear cum, it not only sells out as fast as it hits the shelves, it results in my finacee and I having fabulous sex while watching. Women love creampies, A or V, especially if there is some cleanup and play with the cum.
The traffic stats are online, available to anyone who can type "traffic fatalities" into google. Measured by the mile, there's about 1 MVA fatality for every 1,000,000 vehicle miles.
As far as AIM's "seroconversion stats" it was dirived by using AIM's published statistics for how many tests they've conducted over how many years, and comparing that to the number of "seroconversions" they've documented in their clients. I used the word "annecdotal" because the methodology is not nearly as rigorous as that used to derive traffic statistics. None the less, any fool can see that as a porn performer, the chances per year of "seroconversion" are far greater than the chance of an average person being killed in a traffic accident.
If you are going to compare statistics from the general population for driving a vehicle vs the porn community and draw any parallels you are playing games with a General Set and an extremely specialized subset, and you fail to make a logical point. What is my risk of watching creampie movies?
If you want real HIV risk, get off a boat or plane in Africa, Brazil, or Thailand, and have a night on the town.
When discusing "seroconversion" and creampies, it would seem the only germane population would be porn performers, the only sexual habits that are of any real importance are those of porn perfomers, and that assertions such as "There is a much greater risk of being killed in a car accident then HIV seroconverting from heterorosexual sex" are specious at best.
BTW. A cursury look at the figures seems to indicated that the chances of a porn performer "seroconverting" are about the same as the chances of a US soldier being killed in Iraq. Well-intentioned people differ on whether or not that risk is justified.
Cream Pies are one of the very best sellers! Zero Tolerances "Internal Combustion series is one of the very best selling creampie DVD's. The first 3 are directed by Pat Myne aka Danny Case, with one of the best cameraman in Gonzo, Chris Streams. Chris Streams directed and shot camera for Internal Combustion # 4, with Teagen on the cover! If you want to see 14 cumloads go into a fully gaping ass while I am in piledriver, check out Gang Bang Angels # 5, Elegant Angel from June of 1999. I cumfart out every single drop in doggy! For true romance and deep emotional bonding, 14 cumshots in my ass gave me all of the love I ever needed! Bridgette Kerkove xoxo
Nancy Padian, PhD, says that while it's unlikely that HIV and AIDS will ever reach the crisis level they have in Africa, studies such as this serve to prove to a skeptical public that heterosexuals are a significant part of the AIDS story in the U.S.
"I think people in their minds see what's happening in areas that are very badly hit by HIV and think that can't happen here. And I'm not saying that is going to happen here to that magnitude," says Padian, director of international programs at the University of California, San Francisco AIDS Research Institute. "But I think there are some risks that are common. People are people, and this disease is transmitted the same way here as it is [in Africa]. These data really highlight that.
Creampie DVDs really sell. Check. I think if the local store only sold creampie DVDs, it would do quite well.
ARE CREAMPIES TOO RISKY??
Oh, statistics, etiology, risk, and epidemiology...sperm oozes from orifices in the public every night and makes a wet spot in the bed. That is how aids is spread to the porn industry.
Like rape, only a small percentage of AIDS cases go reported, and only half of the US states even track it. With 40% of some African countries being HIV+ in the "known" general population of adults and children, you don't have to be making porn to get aids.
As I recall only a few porn actors have had aids, and millions of people get it each year. Creampies happen in all types of hetero and homo sexual relations, duh...the stork deal is not real....and you mean I can't get AIDS from watching Creampie movies, but I can from just eating pussy...OMG!!
This thread was about CREAMPIE DVDS BEING REALLY POPULAR and SELLING WELL.
Posted - Jun 30 2004 : 8:06PM
