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| dumblonde Senior Member  2352 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Jul 19 2001 : 7:36PMI was wondering why this vital information was so often overlooked in a review, be it favorable or not. Listing the studio is mandatory, but most studios put out such a wide range in terms of quality of product, that usually the only reliable indicator you have to go by is the director. Very often the director isn't even listed on the title itself, and there's a good reason for that. This omission alone is indicative of the caliber, as well as when a director will use a nom de plume. I appreciate it when someone works hard to create a superior product, and think it's only fair to credit the person responsible. After all, even a flick with a cast list that reads like a wet dream can suck in the hands of a lousy director. This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time, but because I have so many, it wasn't until I read AlexGogol's excellent review of Babes Illustrated # 10 that I decided to speak up. The author obviously enjoyed the movie and gave it high marks - which makes it all the more puzzling why Mike Quasar wasn't credited. I liked reading his review, and think the author has taste and talent. He certainly isn't the only one to neglect this information, and it isn't mandatory, but let's give credit (as well as blame) where it's due! Thanks, DB [Link] |
| Emahevul Adult Film Central 119 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Jul 19 2001 : 11:13PM Emahevul [Link] |
| GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jul 19 2001 : 11:14PM ~ GaySatyr Edited by - GaySatyr on Jul 19 2001 [Link] |
bono-ONE  All-Star Member SAMCRO 8572 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Jul 20 2001 : 3:05AM [Link] |
| HoustonDon Member Houston 561 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 20 2001 : 10:55AM I hope reviewers will include cast, director, and some other factual data in their reviews if only because I will have to do it myself if I'm interested in a movie they recommend. Bono, not everyone follows the many porn series out there. I've never watched a Down The Hatch dvd (yet) so I wouldn't know who directed it unless told and I'm considered to have watched a few porno's in my time... [Link] |
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| GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jul 20 2001 : 12:25PM ~ GaySatyr [Link] |
| HoustonDon Member Houston 561 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 20 2001 : 2:44PM PS: not as a requirement for a review in any case. [Link] |
| bono-ONE All-Star Member SAMCRO 8572 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Jul 20 2001 : 2:55PM [Link] |
| GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jul 20 2001 : 3:13PM I have a limited perspective of the porno video world - that of gay videos. In the 'gay' world, producer/director can often be more important than cast or studio. As examples, the work of George DuRoy and Kristen Bjorn are consistently good to excellent whereas the work of Robert Prion is consistently mediocre to putrid, at least in my opinion. Another important example in the 'gay' genre is Matt Sterling, who is producing fairly good videos using unknown eastern European casts but his name is seldom 'searchable' making it difficult to find his videos without a lot of research headaches. Anyway, in the reviews I post, I will include directors so readers will eventually get the picture that I dislike certain directors and like others. I agree that videographer is less important so maybe that's overkill (although, again, there are videographers in the 'gay' porno realm who do excellent work and others who can do little more than aim a camera at cock). I guess that the 'Audio/Video' quality rating box is really enough. Running time & DOP are both useful bits of information. Running time is easy with DVDs; DOP is more problematic although the copyright date is probably a good indication and is usually a part of the credits somewhere on the video. And certainly, I think that this additional information could be optional so that it would not discourage reviewers. ~ GaySatyr [Link] |
| Saki At-Large 2086 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 21 2001 : 2:07PM I also think that it's quite possible to write a review without mentioning a lot of details, especially a consumer review. After all, the most important information that can be included is "did I like the movie and why?" The production information and technical details are less important. Finally, porn has always been a thankless occupation. There's no residual structure, frequently incorrect crediting, and the like. It's never been a priority for the studios nor the professional reviewers and advertisers. I agree with all that's been said, but just wanted to say that, at least in my opinion, in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's a fault if a reviewer doesn't credit the people who made the video or a slight to those who are responsible for it. After all, I can write an informative opinion on "Jurassic Park III" without having to mention that Joe Johnston directed it, Peter Buchman, Alexander Payne, and Jim Taylor wrote it, Kathleen Kennedy and Larry Franco produced it, and Stephen Spielberg was the Executive Producer. Would it even be necessary to note that it was produced by Amblin Entertainment and distributed by Universal Pictures? - Saki [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jul 23 2001 : 2:46AM I sometimes make the mistake of seeing a movie on the strength of a director's previous movies (was very disappointed in Unbreakable after The Sixth Sense.) I usually know what to expect from a Dimension Film. The same can often be said for a porn movie. Fans usually know what to expect when Jim Holliday directs a movie for VCA. And avid pornophiles may be able to spot a Nic Andrews or Michael Ninn special effect at a glance. For mainstream, I just watched the DVD of Scream 3, and it was nice to know ahead of time that it was directed by Wes Craven but that Kevin Williamson was still involved in the writing. For porn, I follow directors a lot. For instance, I liked Jean Yves LeCastel's directing more when he did the Assman series for Anabolic than I like his current stuff. I also liked his directing of the series much more than his successors. [Link] |
| Saki At-Large 2086 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 23 2001 : 9:15AM Porn reviews are not junior high book reports -- I'll forgive someone for not attributing if they can put together a decent opinion on the movie. After all, it's not a chore to go to IAFD or click twice to hit a retailer that lists them. If they list those details in the body of the review, more power to them. - Saki [Link] |
| Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 23 2001 : 12:41PM I thought #16 was one of his best, he found energetic performers, including several who went on to star in the awesome first scene of Rocco's True Anal Stories 14. I did think LeCastel hit a lull from roughly Assman 8-11. But it picked up with #12, and 14 and 15 were also good (never saw #13). [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 23 2001 : 2:41PM Because opinions are so subjective, they are less important to me ~ at least until I'm familiar with and confident that the reviewer's opinions are similar to my own. At any rate, it was just a suggestion ~ I get irritated when I have to go somewhere else to try and find this basic information, and more often than not, the online store won't list the director either. The same holds true for the running length of the title. That said, I still appreciate all the good reviews, and enjoy reading them for all the different writing styles. [Link] |
| GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jul 23 2001 : 3:55PM ~ GaySatyr [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 23 2001 : 7:16PM Sez who? Glad to hear it, GaySatyr, I'm sure it will be appreciated by the readers. Especially since, as you've [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1768 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Jul 26 2001 : 12:38PM Anyway, regarding a director's credit or lack thereof in porn movies... it has been my experience that because so much porn is treated simply as "product", great care is not given to providing the pertinent details regarding production. This is not just an oversight of the various companies. Sometimes it's by choice. Low budget crap duplicated on to low grade videotape and stuffed into a box isn't something that a lot of people want credit for. I have "directed" many movies over the years that I felt were of such little consequence that a credit was unneccesary. You will never see a Michael Ninn movie or a James Avalon movie go uncredited but you might see a movie shot by a meth addict in a Motel 6 go uncredited. Special thanks to whoever reviewed Babes Illustrated 10. Most other reviews for this movie have been terrible due to it's being "Slick" and "Glossy". I happen to like slick and glossy. I suppose that I could have shot it under harsh lighting with a camcorder set to auto-focus and then had the girls sodomize each other with diseased possums if I really wanted to get universal praise for my film making skills but I have a weak stomach and a conscience. Have a nice day. Mike [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 26 2001 : 1:41PM Is it really you? If so, let me be the first to say welcome, and if you think you're excited, imagine how I feel!  Thanks for that, and for your input regarding the credits. [Link] |
| bono-ONE All-Star Member SAMCRO 8572 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Jul 26 2001 : 1:56PM [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 27 2001 : 10:53AM [Link] |
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| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jul 28 2001 : 6:42PM you're absolutely right! (I need to stop posting in the middle of the night!) I meant to say that I like his Assman stuff better than his other stuff. As far as the series he's not doing anymore, is that Debauchery? [Link] |
| GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jul 28 2001 : 11:05PM ~ GaySatyr [Link] |
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