I'm curious to know how much performers are paid for different sex acts. (in general) There was som thread about that the rates have gone down since the economy is getting bad, piracy etc. Does bondage scenes pay a lot more than normal scenes? I mean it must be kinda of rough on the performers. Does submissive girls in bondage scenes get paid better than the dom who doesn't have to take any spanking, electroshockning etc.? I suppose gangbangs and double anal is what pays the most in normal movies.
There is alot that goes into answering this question. the average b/g scene is anywhere from $900-1200 but depending on the girl who may have a "big name" or atleast a big head and thinks she deserves more can sometimes get paid more... g/g tends to be 6-900 or as previously stated can go higher... anal tends to pay more from $1100-the high 3k or above.... IR pays more most often, same with b/g/g, orgy scenes, dp scenes, bondage just depends on the girl/guy/company and whats being done.... hope this helps "i live life with no regrets"
In a perfect world I think that you girls would deserve the double or triple rates of that, since you're such troopers =) too bad it wouldn't fit into the movie budgets :P
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Posted - Oct 20 2011 : 1:39PM
This thread is interesting. I questioned why Ed Powers always managed to get the freshest talent before they broke into the industry and became seasoned. I recall some people mentioning he would pay the most so had access to new girls that others did not. Ed Powers Dirty Debutante series has an endless stream of attractive girls unlike any series I have ever seen. It makes sense he must have paid the best so the rates must vary a lot depending on who you hook up with.
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Posted - Oct 20 2011 : 2:31PM
Rates have fallen to around 700 to 1,200 a very, very few top girls can get $2,000. Girl/girl goes from $400 to $800 again there are a few girls that get a $1,000 or more. Blowjobs range from $200 to $400 and some top girls won't even do them. Bondage does not pay more than a normal scene in fact often it pays less since there is no sex involved The reason you don't see hardly any gang bangs or double anal anymore is it not profitable to shoot There are less than 50 scenes a day being shot, down from a high of around 200 and there are more girls than ever. The reason there are less scenes is production is not nearly profitable as it once was. Most companies that you still see in production have other revenue streams like Penthouse (owned by Adult Friend Finder) Brazzers (Owns Tube Sites) or very cost efficient and small like myself.
because it's a hard job, that not so many girls want to do/are cut out to do. It's not every girl who can do/stand anal, gangbangs, bukkakes and have such pain tolerance to do all those things. Without the porn girls there would be no porn for us to watch :P
This just re-affirms my impressions about Kink.com. They are likely one of the most professional acts in the business. I'd expect that given the nature of their niche requires a degree of precision and care that you don't worry about in normal B/G sex scenes. Kudo's to them for being upfront about their rates enough to actually post them on their site.
^^ +1 All the rules and regulations there are awesome. That's gotta be one of the best porn companies to work for right? I mean everything is in black and white. I think that's pretty damn cool. Thanks for the link JJ! ^ dnice -1
Money was definitely a big part of it and that makes sense. Another reason might be that Ed shot a lot of his videos with an handheld camera or on a tripod and that would go a long way in making a newbie feel more confortable having sex in front of a camera. Then there's the fact that Ed had an average sized penis and that must have been a plus when asking girls to do vag and a major plus when asking them to do anal. Ed popped many girls anal cherry and even got the only anal of many others and penis size might have had a big reason for that.
thx for the link :) I think it's great how kink is so serious and wants to treat their performers correctly. Before I didn't like bdsm cause I feared for the safety of the girls working in such an underground niche. It was in the news like 5 years ago that some girl in the US died during bsdm shot :S Kink have made bdsm really classy, I think a lot of it is too rough. But the performers are always safe and can stop the scene if it becomes too much, which unfortunatly doesn't seem to always apply when shooting gonzo movies.
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Posted - Oct 23 2011 : 7:21PM
So they're still paying girls more money just to do scene with a Black person? That's highly offensive.
its a joke already just not right has anyone seen dave hardman as far as black guys marcus and turner women dig them they should get double pay for some of the white women they gotta tap they can get any girl they want
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Posted - Oct 23 2011 : 9:25PM
So they're still paying girls more money just to do scene with a Black person? That's highly offensive.
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What is offensive about it? Should everyone get the same pay no matter who they are matched with? If you tried that, you would be seeing less and less interracial sex. There is a reason IR sex and Gay acts pay more. There is a smaller pool to draw from hence it pays a lot more.
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Posted - Oct 23 2011 : 9:51PM
dnice wrote; being that the girls get more for interracial sounds a little racist to me Sola4 wrote; So they're still paying girls more money just to do scene with a Black person? That's highly offensive. Maybe it would be more socially accepted to call it "hazard pay". If a girl is required to take cock from the likes of Lex Steel or Shane Diesel especially in the butt, she should be paid more. Those things are like deadly weapons. A more equatable might be to pay by the inch. The bigger or thicker the cock, the more you would get paid.
The other way to look at it, is if you're a girl who prefers screwing black over white guys, it's bonus money.
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Posted - Oct 23 2011 : 11:46PM
The girls choose what they are willing to do, hence you see different pay scales. If a person prefers to perform with one race or another does not make that person racist. I take it if a black girl will only perform with black guys she must be a racist according to the racist calling posters. Think about it. People have something in the free world, it is called freedom to choose.
Good idea :P More economic incentives for girls to try bigger fucking bigger cocks :P I mean bigger cocks = more pain especially from anal but pays the same
what porno dan mentioned is VERY LOW!! that happens to be what some porn companies pay including him bc they dont want to pay more and some NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS HE SAID will pretty much take what ever they can get bc they still have drug problems or live way beyond their means... alot of girls havent adjusted their lifestyles since the shooting has lessened.... as for the IR thing every girl sets her own rates thats all it comes down to... as for bdsm i have always been paid more for it if it also including a b/g... if it doesnt yet the rate is lower.... kink pays very well and like someone mentioned they are one of the nicest easiest companies to shoot for... someone knocked brazzers and from my experience(i work for them between 1-2x a month) and when i was shooting regularly sometimes more then that and they do everything they can to make the girls very comfortable and happy. they are one of the companies by far i LOVE shooting for... they treat the girls amazing! "i live life with no regrets"
Are you shooting in LA or FLA? I think there may be a difference, and Dan's rates are about right for what I've seen in LA. In Chicago and NYC the rates are around $500 for a b/g scene, (add 100-200 for anal) and no one cares if it's IR or not in my experience. BJ scenes and G/G scenes tend to pay lower, between $150-$300. No one out here shoots Gangbangs that I've found because, like Dan says, it's too expensive. For modeling shoots, I usually make $100 an hour, with an average of 3 hours in a shoot, and no sex acts beyond those I perform on myself. Again though, that's just what I've seen and I'm definitely on the lower end of the pay scale.
Im talking about La.... and who are you shooting for that pays that low... i can not name one girl that would take $150-300 for a g/g or bj!!! I am with la direct models and derek tends to stick the average rates for his girls... he would never even consider book us for a bg lower then $900, and thats same day pay! wow this thread is opening my eyes to how desperate girls are for a single dollar... i would laugh at someone who offers my $700 for an anal scene and $150 for a bj... good lord. "i live life with no regrets"
If you read Ashley Blue's book "Girlvert" she seems to indicate that World Modeling had a deal with Ed Powers and sent all their new models to him first.
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Posted - Oct 25 2011 : 7:23PM
I don't know what a girls motives are for refusing to work for a particular race of people. I do know however that if a girl demanded more money for working with someone of a different race, almost like it was "hazard pay" that would be offensive. Because there aren't any appreciable differences between the races that would dictate a higher pay rate to do a scene with someone of a different race. And about the pay specifically, from what I've heard, people like Jules Jordan will pay girls like Jenna Presley or Amy Reid for their 1st IR scene, and I'm going on what I've heard, something on the order of $3000-$4000+ when the normal bg rate is $800-$1200 for most girls. And if such pay amounts are even close to the truth then that's absurd.When the differences between the performers is simply race then yes they should get paid the same. Otherwise it's illogical. Because that would be like girls asking for different pay levels depending on whether they're attracted or not to the performer their paired with. Such a request would go over like a lead balloon in the industry and rightfully so.
First, I've seen a lot of these threads go without anyone posting a real answer, so thanks to porno dan, clayra beau and the always sexy Makenzee PierceWhat is this "gf" thing you speak of?I don't like the term if it's only black guys. It should apply to whites and all other races too.I like.Just on a lighter note, if they make more money, and I get to see such hot women having hot sex with someone who looks closer to me, I call that a win-win...Just a little more seriously, it doesn't make sense for so many of us to want our favorite sexy ladies do IR, then blame them when they get a little more money for it. Especially if the girl already does IR in her offscreen life, but not on screen for salary reasons.
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Posted - Oct 25 2011 : 9:07PM
Thanks for the info. I know Ashley Blue performed in a lead role in the series Girlvert but had no idea she wrote a book with the same title. If World Modeling had a deal with Ed Powers, that would explain it all. I knew something was going on as I never understood why Ed Powers got all the freshest girls. All roads went through Big Ed, now I can see why.
Ah, the Ivory Tower of LA Direct. It all depends on location and company. You don't really have too many options for companies to shoot with in Chicago, and the rates for shoots are lower because of it. On the flip side, no one has distro connections out here like they would out there. As for the rates Dan and I are seeing, they were pretty standard when I was with GoldStar modeling, but then again, Joel's out of business, isn't he? In LA, the lowest I've made for a scene was $500 for a b/g shoot, but I've never made less than $900 for an anal shoot. Oddly, what I was told was "your rates are too high" when I tried booking things myself in LA. What I've come to figure is that the market is super saturated, so no one has to pay what Derek might want to call "solid rate". Derek doesn't rep everyone, remember, and lots of girls end up either with a shitty agent (Hi, my name's Clayra, and I've had shitty agents), a wannabe pimp, or else have to rep themselves and hope something shakes. When you're faced with "don't work" or "take a pay cut" in ANY business, the smart money is always on staying employed if it's within reason.
What happens before scenes? do you sit down with the director and discuss the scene and what you're going to do? Or is it more or less that you say all the things you aren't comfortable with and straight forward to shooting the scene? Edited by - geralt on 10/26/2011 1:09:17 PM
Although I'm sure Mackenzie is correct in her estimate of rates being offered to some girls. I think Clayra is the reality for almost every performer at this moment and that includes girls working for LA Direct. Your manager can ask for any amount he thinks is acceptable but at the end of the day. You aren't going to get that amount. You either settle for less or the studio will simply go elsewhere. I'm sure there are still some performers getting top dollars but they are the minority and I suspect that the phone isn't ringing all that often. We all know that porn shoots are way down and the outlook isn't all that bright. I think the only performers still getting huge paychecks are those willing to do certain sex acts that they never wanted to do or were holding back from doing(anal, IR, DP's).
I have a few questions I've always wondered about I'd like to ask you or anyone who'd know.... When a girl is contacted to be booked by a director for a scene and the director doesn't specifically ask for the girl to do anal can the girl offer to do it and if they do does the director ususally go along and pay the extra money for it? There are girls I've seen that mostly do anal even when the rest of the girls aren't doing it in the movie and it seems they didn't have to either but they did. I've always wondered if those girls let the director know in advance that they want to do anal or do they negotiate once they got to the set. Do the male performers fee vary that much from guy to guy? If a girl is asked who she wants to work with and she names a well known guy, is it possible the director will say that guy costs too much and tell the girl to pick someone else? From what I've seen most girls have a profile with an agency of what sex acts they'll do and won't do. If the director thinks the fans will come out in droves for a girl who doesn't have anal or IR on their profile is it considered okay for the director to make money offers to that girl to do anal or IR even though the girl doesn't have it on their profile or is that a no-no?
^I don't know the answer but I hope that all performers know ahead of time what type of scene they are about to do and what price they were promised. I wouldn't want to have to negotiate any extra stuff with the director on the day of the shoot in the hope that he doesn't negate on paying that amount once the scene is shot since the contract was for one type of scene.
Generally because anal can cost more money sometimes, directors will ask for it directly if they want to see it. It is usually made very clear exactly what is or isn't expected in a scene. A girl can offer o add anal to the scene to try to raise the pay but like I said the director usually asks about it when they want it. As for only one girl in a scene doing anal, some girls just like doing anal better than vag so it's not a huge deal for them to add it to a scene. Also directors may sometimes just have one girl who does anal because of the extra cost. That way there is anal in the scene but they don't have to pay for everyone to do it. Male performers pay does vary. I know that when I work with experienced talent like James Dean, he makes more money then the guy who has been in the industry for a year or less. He was also the "ringleader" when I worked with him and he kept the momentum going and really helped things move along. Since I am obviously not male talent and I never really talk to my costars about their pay I really can't say for sure. As far as it being a no-no for a director to offer money for a sex act that they have listed as a no, it is just fine by me. I think those lists are just general guideline. I don't want to only get calls for anal foot fetish gangbangs so I would mark no for those. but if I got a call for a foot fetish video or someone want to add anal to a B/G or something, they just mention it and it is up to me to agree on disagree. My general approach is that if a director is up front with me about what they want in the scene before hand, I am pretty much game for anything. But I would be irritated if I got into a scene and suddenly the director just has to have an anal scene.
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Posted - Oct 29 2011 : 2:45PM
^ My understanding is that, anal typically requires the girls to "prepare" for it ahead of time (i.e. what they eat/don't eat, cleaning out her bowels, etc.). One would think that springing anal on an unprepared performer can get a bit "messy" So, Goldstein would think that anal is normally discussed ahead of time? Can ClayraBeau share any insight into this aspect for her anally-retentive fans? Also, I totally agree with this:Of course, this is assuming you're dealing with grownups Many thanks for taking the time to post intelligent industry insight.
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Posted - Oct 29 2011 : 7:57PM
The range I quoted is within the same range that you are quoting, you have been around for years and earn more than a typical model.I do over 500 bookings a year from every agency and the rates we pay vary from model to model. As a company owner I try and be a cost effective as possible, the profit margin on content is very, very low, and at times we lose money on scenes. As I stated in earlier quote most companies that pay the high rates have revenue streams outside of production and use production as a loss leader. In fact, if it wasn't for the smashing success of my reality TV show on HBO in Canada I would not be shooting as much as I do. The downturn in production that we have witnessed in the last two years will continue in 2012, gonzo shoots are all but gone replaced by live shows, and most traditional feature companies plan on scaling back even more. As a result of this continued decrease in porn production, rates will fall even more and models will be in and out of the business faster than ever. Doing porn scenes should be seen as one of many revenue streams for a model if they are going to last and succeed in the adult entertainment industry.
Lot of female stars are escorting now and I've noticed their escorting rates have dropped also. Some of them were escorts before they went into porn biz. I don't know what the male stars do to survive? Not that I care. ;-) I did notice that some male stars like Lex Steele and Jack Napier are working for other companies again instead performing for just their own product.
Thank for your reply. This is something I've often wondered about. There are girls I've never seen not do anal in a scene (They probably have only done just vaginal sex in scenes but I've never seen it). When they show up doing anal in a scene of an otherwise anal free movie I wondered if they just offer to do anal. But after reading your explaination it's possble the girl might insist on doing anal and getting paid for it or they don't feel it's worth their time. The same is probaby true of girls who do lots of IR. There have been girls who will have the sole IR scene in a movie. They probably said this is the guy I want to work with and if they can't work with that black performer they'll pass on the movie. I'm of course speculating...In your opinion do you think that most any girl will do most anything (within reason)if enough money is thrown their way? I see that when a girl finally does something it's usually for the bigger studios. Also, when you sign with an agency is there someone from that agency giving girls advice on how to plot their career or do they stay out of that and let the girls do whatever?
In my opinion I believe that to be true. I've seen people post here that they are done with porn cuz they have something better coming up but then a month or two later they're back at it with a dick up their ass! I love it!!
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Posted - Oct 30 2011 : 8:03PM
I guess it depends on how one defines 'most.' Seems to me a lot of performers will try out anal but then quit the industry soon after because they can't get into doing it, not matter that is where the money is.
What are the rates for gang bangs? I wonder how much Elegant Angel paid Lisa Ann and Bobbi Starr to do "Gangbanged" earlier this year. If they are getting average of $1,200 to do b/g scene you'd figure a gangbang with 7 guys would be a minimum of $7,000.
I guess the point I should make is that it's different for everyone. I'll only do anal if it's discussed up front and going to be paid. Part of that is just because I want to make sure I'm prepped for the scene. I don't always have anal sex at home (though lately that isn't the case) and if I'm "out of practice", I know I won't enjoy it. Other girls can take a cock in the ass at the drop of a dime and prefer it. I remember a Kink scene (Amber Rayne in Public Disgrace I think) where the girl said she preferred to be ass fucked. This applies when it comes to your other question on whether all it takes is enough money being thrown. I don't do creampies or ATM. ATM I'll just never ever do. Creampies I might do if offered enough money though because it's not something I'm really grossed out by, I just a preference. If a girl says "no" to IR or anal just based on a preference, and it isn't something she's totally against, money might change her mind. The same can be said for any job though, when you think about it. As far as agents go... Well, a good agent is supposed to give you advice and help build your career. I've never had that from an agent, but then I'm sure some other girls have. In my personal experience, a lot of agents seem to sit around and wait for work to come in for most of their girls and maybe groom one or two. That said, Sophie Dee and her husband Lee are exactly the kind of people you want helping you if you're a new girl. They'll tell you what to expect, introduce you to the right people, and provide the kind of advice you can only get from experience.
this year been plenty of gangbang releases... gangbanged 1 & 2, hose monster 1 & 2, University Gang Bang 8, My First Gangbang, Gangbang Auditions 25 also been heaps of those bound gangbang scenes, Asa Akira just did 1 for her latest dvd/bluray + Henessy, Sasha Rose and Pheonix Marie did scenes where they each took on 3 guys (3 on 1 is a gangbang imo) brazzers live where at least 1 girl gets dp'd while sucking another dude off would come under gangbang. 2 in the same hole definately has declined but pretty sure asa akira, amber rayne, jynx maze and kagney lynn karter all done it in scenes released this year. economy is flat but porn companys putting out the best content in there specific categorys digitally and on dvd/bluray do not seem to be slowing down at all. as a regular but not daily porn user i can't keep up with it all. porn users now are way more savvy when it comes to selecting what they want. decline is inevetable if u not producing consistent quality by current standards. Edited by - Drebin on 11/3/2011 1:08:39 AM
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