I know you probably aren't into BDSM but 99% of the performances are by people that actually enjoy their aspect of BDSM and get off on the scene. The few people that are new, get there and aren't into what the scene requires have their scenes stopped quickly either by the director or talent. I don't know how to explain why a minority get off on pain and bondage but speaking from personal experience (mostly as a dominant) we as kinky people do. I classify it into the same category of nonexplainability as homo/hetrosexuality. Man on man sex makes me want to puke but others enjoy it while I like whipping and binding women into ecstasy others think I am a madman -- it is just the way different people are wired in their brains.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - Feb 28 2012 : 11:41AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say because the site is called Facial Abuse.
I'm curious about rates female performers get paid for number of males involved in a scene. For example, what would be expected for her performing a threesome with 2 guys versus a 5 or 6 dude gangbang. Anybody have any info?
Rates for BoundGangBangs.com not listed but rates for PublicDisgrace.com is listed at B/G rate + $200 plus another $100 per BJ and another $200 per guy. I thought female performers got paid more than that for a gangbang. For five guys that is maybe $2500 max. I would think a big name star could get more than that for doing 5 guys especially for a rough sex scene.
^Look at the section on B/G rates and you will see that B/B/G/A is 1100$ to 1300$. This doesn't cover if there are more than 2 guys but you at least have a very good idea of a minimum amount. I suspect that most BGB scene are probably around 1500$ to 2000$. Of course a big name star could increase that amount.
From the rate section of Kink.com B/G Rates (sexual contact between a male and female) $500 - $700 - vaginal dildo play and finger penetration $600 - $800 - vaginal/anal dildo play and/or finger penetration and/or handjob $800 for a handjob? Where do I sign up? LOL
There was probably more real money in porn in the 80's. Remember when VHS was more than $60 each? I purchased many VHS for $30-$40 and feeling I was getting a great discount deal. Fastforward to today; $20 for a DVD feels like a ripoff. Edited by - ninja1 on 5/1/2012 4:52:27 PM
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Ignatz Deactivated User
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Posted - May 4 2012 : 9:22PM
Porn was costly in the 80s. $30 and up for crap VHS, and very few rental outlets.
keiran lee (male pornstar for brazzers) did an AMA on reddit.com last week, claimed to get paid $1500 per scene on average. anyone care to debunk this? Edited by - heythatguy on 5/6/2012 8:53:37 PM
^AMA = Ask Me Anything. It's basically an online Q&A session on Reddit. And because Kieran's a contract performer for Brazzers, I would think he gets paid a little bit differently than someone like Manuel Ferrara or James Deen.
^Although it's possible that he gets 1500$ per scene. That amount appears to be quite high for a male performer. I checked my usual reference point and kink rates for males start at 400$. If Brazzer pays Keiran 1500$ per scene then he has already made 88500$ just this year since he stars in 59 videos in 2012. That averages to about 22000$ per month.
I have heard that Brazzers is one of the higher paying companies in the biz, so I can believe $1500 a scene for star talent. It is how Brazzers AKA Manwin AKA Mansef made the money to be able to pay those salaries that irks most of the rest of porn (they own most of the tube sites that steal from every other company in the jizz biz).
^That makes very little sense because a company that loves money would want to keep as much as they can and paying a male talent double and triple the rates that you could pay someone else is definetely not a good business decision. This is especially true when you consider the way the porn industry currently is.
While that amount may be what Kink would pay someone off the street, it's not what Kink pays James Deen, for example. I've heard on more than one occasion that Manuel Ferrara gets paid more per scene than your average girl does, and they make about $800-1000 per scene. And again, people aren't taking into account that not only is he a contract performer, he does things for Brazzers besides be male talent (he's even taken to directing scenes in the past few months), so he probably gets paid some sort of steady fee for all of the stuff he does, which includes shooting scenes.
^I didn't say that they didn't pay higher rates for some performers but that their starting price is significantly lower than 1500$. Even if you pay a popular male 800$ for a scene then it's still nearly half of what Keiran claims brazzer pays him. I think Kink is one of the most above the board internet companies and if they bother to put up rates on their site then I assume that they prefer to stay close to those amounts otherwise you'd have more and more performer asking for higher rates because another performer got more money.
^You don't really think they pay a girl (or guy) off the street the same amount as they pay someone like Kristina Rose or Lisa Ann (or James Deen or Mr. Pete) for a scene, do you? Like I said, those rates are basically for someone who is coming off the street and shooting a movie for them. When it comes to the established porn actors, more than likely they pay whatever that actor's normal scene rate is (probably plus a little extra depending on how extreme the scene is), which for some of the talent they use is going to be a lot higher than the numbers they list on their site. And also, I said Manuel gets paid more than the average girl. I never said how much more (because I don't know the actual number, I just know it's high). Whether you agree with it or not, Keiran is seen as one of the top male performers in the business, and is probably paid as such (and might even be getting paid more to continue to be exclusive). And, truthfully, if Brazzers has Keiran under contract and is still paying him on a per-scene basis, then they're even more foolish with their money than I would have thought they were, because that makes absolutely no sense. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 5/8/2012 11:04:42 PM Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 5/8/2012 11:05:33 PM
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twistedvincent Deactivated User
Juelz....Fucking Juelz 3960 Posts 5/09
Posted - May 9 2012 : 10:57AM
^ I'm not sure how the subject came up but I was chatting with India Summer and she said that Kink.com sticks with the rates listed.
You'll see above my post that twisted vincent has already given you one example of a performer getting the rate that Kink post on it's site and since it comes from the performer herself then I see no reason in disagreeing with her. Especially since I don't have any proof otherwise. I grant you that it's possible that some performers might get a bigger paycheck but they would have to be the rare exception. Like I said. It's a bad business decision to post a rate on your site and then pay higher rates. The porn industry is pretty small so sooner or later those pratices would get found out and no one would shoot for them at posted rates when they know they can get more. I'm also unclear on what you call an off the street performer vs those you named. Youy might want to give us some example of what you think are off the street performers. I don't know if Brazzer pays Keiran a salary but since he posted a per scene rate then I just assumed that this was what he said he was getting. I personaly think that the male performer is in many ways just as important as the female performer because if he has bad chemistry with the female then the scene will be unwatchable. That said. Males are generally paid a much lower rate then their female counterpart and if Keiran is truly getting 1500$ per scene then is the female getting 2000$? Even if she makes the same amount then you are talking about a cost of 3000$ for just the performers. Can any company make a profit if this is what it cost them per scene. Especially since they update on a daily basis?
By off the street, I mean someone who isn't with an agency, someone who hasn't done much (if any) porn work before working with Kink. Remy LaCroix before her first scene would be a recent example of someone off the street. Bobbi Starr before her first scene (which was with Kink) would have been another.
People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11
Posted - May 13 2012 : 11:17PM
I agree, but not to single out Brazzers, the directing and camera work has steadily grown worse in the past few years in the industry as a whole. I do not think many of the people in charge of the sets really care about quality porn, hence you get what you see. Edited by - peoples temple on 5/13/2012 11:22:10 PM
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Galento Deactivated User
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Posted - May 15 2012 : 5:12PM
I might give it a try at those rates Edited by - galento on 6/4/2012 9:47:06 PM
Who said this world made sense? Also, Brazzers has based their porn filming in Florida (until recently). There are fewer performers (both male and female) in Florida than in LA so rates are likely higher there. I will allow for the possibility that Keiran is on salary and that his duties have expanded beyond being a stunt dick. Edited by - mharris127 on 5/15/2012 10:30:19 PM
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twistedvincent Deactivated User
Juelz....Fucking Juelz 3960 Posts 5/09
Posted - May 16 2012 : 10:17AM
^ Brazzers wasn't based mostly in Florida, I believe Bangbros was/is. Edited by - twistedvincent on 5/16/2012 10:18:04 AM
^ Sorry. I get the current locations of Brazzers and Bang Bros. mixed up for some reason. I guess a reasonable reason for the higher salary would be that it includes other work outside of the usual realm of talent. Of course not being privy to Brazzers' financial statements (I can think of a couple of porn bloggers that would love those) this is conjecture based on what I have heard and read. If Kieran is truly making 360K annually he may also have an ownership stake in the company (Manwin aka Brazzers hasn't been forthcoming on true information regarding its enterprise).
Brazzers' home base used to be Las Vegas. Not sure where they do most of their shooting nowadays since they're probably doing too damn much of it for just one location.
^No streaming rates are high because the owners use the same mathematical calculation as cam sites. This is basically when you charge an amount based on a per minute use rather than a set price. Streaming sites like Hot Movies and AEBN normally charge a minimum of 1.50$ a minute but it gets higher for premium titles. Users looking at prices think to themselves that a 1.50$ is a very small amount to pay but how many of them stop to realise that this comes out to 15$ for only 10 minutes of porn?. It's normally a lot more expensive for cam shows because they don't necessarily start with an amount as low as a 1.50$ a minute. My opinion is that most streaming and cam sites are just plain greedy and if they lose money because they get less people to join them and pay those amounts then that is fine with me.
^I don't think you can arbitrarily say no because a girl who gets a box cover is the one that was coveted a lot more than some of the performers so there's a good chance that her original paycheck was higher than most of the other girls so they automatically got paid more and if the box cover is not taken from the movie than that means she had to do a special shoot for it and there must be a fee involved.
Trophy Wives 2 - review by Captain Jack
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