I think it might be a figment of your imagination.

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But even if you disagree with me about Stormy (who admittedly, since she too was already a contract star, her star has yet to dim considerably because, honestly, she never did a whole helluva lot anyway) you can't say that, concerning everyone else, this is all in my mind.

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I won't even address the typical contract-bashing. I've given up on arguing here about whether that's "never doing a lot" or not.

As for the others, they don't have a lot in common as far as why gonzo-only fans might not be pleased with their careers. The one similarity in those situations, if I'm to believe my online porn gossip, would just be the word: "Boyfriend." Maybe that's the curse.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm a Stormy and Wicked, in general, fan. I'm just not the BIGGEST, as evidenced by Obi's responses.

Seems we've been derailed a little by Obi's rampant Stormy-backing, even though, it might be impossible to derail a thread with only two participants.

Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 4/15/2006 7:23:18 PM

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I'm just saying she doesn't fit the model you proposed here, which seems on-topic to me, as is the Keri Sable post.

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As for Keri Sable, I appreciate you bringing her up because although she wasn't a winner (she actually may have been but her sudden departure might've sent AVN scrambling to find a new "winner" which might explain their inexplicable and controversial final pick) hers is as interesting a story as any and fits the theme of this thread perfectly...sorta.

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in the past the avn awards have at least made an effort to appear impartial but this year they were like fuck it, every one knows anyway.

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Just so, once again, I'm not pegged as some sort of Stormy-hater, I have the poster for "Secrets of the Velvet Ring" directly in front of me, above my computer monitor (and it's been there a while). Swear to God. If one were to do a search here for instances that I've mentioned "Stormy" since I've been a member, they'd find nothing but glowing comments (even going so far as to root for/predict Stormy's infiltration of "mainstream" America).

Kami - I think most people share your line of thinking.

Stormy aside, I still think I had a point but this thread is on its way to a miserable death, isn't it? Fuck.

Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 4/16/2006 3:49:40 AM

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and babe it isn't a way of thinking this was first hand experience of how things work and once your eyes are open you can never shut them again.

I have defended bad people before but I checked myself around people who knew better :)

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Anyway, my whole point is that mostly I agree with the thread. My only issue is that I didn't stop working. I actually work more each month than I did the month before. Part of my "contract status" involves lots of traveling for appearances (store signings, hosting, dance bookings, meeting with distributors) and that is what I find most exhausting.

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Stormy - *backpeddling and apologizing AGAIN*

Understand I wasn't trying to slight you in any way. As an exclusive contract star for Wicked, you're in a unique position. Unfortunately, sometimes not all of the work someone puts in finds its way into consumers hands in a timely manner. And perception is reality to fans. If you worked on 12 movies in a year, directed 5 and wrote 10 but yet only 4 made it to shelves...that's all they have to go on. And that's not even taking into account the store signings, party appearances, movie cameos, meetings, dance dates, etc. that you mention. Fans simply don't SEE all the work you put in. And that's really what this was all about: why don't fans SEE a girl as much after her win.

As an aside, I hope you did a search for my posts about you. There are some really nice things said that you definitely deserve to see and some that rubbed some other folks the wrong way (more to do with the way I chose to say what I said than anything about you, though).

I guess my intention with this thread (which was half-intended to be semi-humorous...coincidentally named after a Stormy-less Wicked release) was to point out that like the Sports Illustrated cover "curse", maybe the trophy/honor itself isn't to blame but one can't deny the parallels and strange coincidences that most of the winners share. Stormy's friend had every right to be leery of her winning even if she managed to thwart the whammy.

Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 4/17/2006 10:29:33 AM

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Versus people like myself who has hardly been in a butt-load of movies in a short period of time to ever get to that point.

I would assume that many of the women regularly dissapear/leave the biz/not work as much after winning because they've ran out of work due to working so much in a short period of time; that they eventually run out of things to shoot for while new series haven't been created yet. It's just an assumption from a gonzo/non-contract performers perspective.

*This opinion doesn't really apply to sexy Stormy or any other contract girl.

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Gonzo girls make the rounds and get shot out when they have been in number 82 of everything or people are just sick of them, contract girls don't give the product to every producer or over saturate the market in fact they get bigger as PR people work for them

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This goes back to something I said in my initial post and I wanted to pose this question specifically to Stormy since she's a past Best New Starlet winner but I'll ask everyone:

Is there an active Best New Starlet winner that you think could go on to eventually capture Female Performer of the Year? It still has never happened.

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on topic:
I think if a girl wins Best New Starlet and has an ongoing career is only slightly related. Some careers blossom, some don't. But that's mostly a matter of the girl's character.
An award can be a catalyzer, but it's not the main reason.

Stormy is today a much bigger star than she was the day she won the award.
Most importantly she expanded to writing and directing while her performer career is still in full bloom.

I'm pretty sure this would all also have happened if she hadn't won the award.

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TheLoneGunman - My post makes plenty of sense. I talk about the amount of work one continues to do after they win, not their level of popularity. So while Violet Blue is, in fact, probably the least-known of the names I mentioned, she is the only one whose "workrate" per se, didn't dip. Everyone else took a break after their win for whatever reason. And that has ZERO to do with how much I personally enjoy the work they put in. I've never said who I do or don't like.

But you raise an interesting point: while Violet continued to work like mad after her win, she still enjoys less popularity than the girls who didn't. So it can be said that staying busy doesn't always win you more fans.

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Blame my lack of the English language. But as I understand the level of popularity has a lot to do with the career.

Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
But this thread has shown that there are so many exceptions to the rule "Curse Eternal" that you can't call it no longer a rule at all.

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I'm not much of a "Mac Lee" fan, and I think others (plural) deserved to win, let alone fill her role as a nominee. Beauty is only skin deep (in porn), and performers who do 1 scene per month should be no more eligible than those who don't make the cutoff date each year. The flip side of this is the girl just annouced she's 5 months pregnant...

One can surely argue that 'quantity is NOT better than quality', but I can't honestly believe that any given star who put out 12-15 titles in a year's time is THAT much better quality than the 80-100 titles that some girls risk their ass for.

As for Performer of the Year, I see Otto has branded many of his titles this year with his bride's 2006 moniker.

Oh yeah, and Stormy's a total babe!

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I know that the CAVR awards are not anything close to the AVN awards.

In 10 years, never has a gal won Newbie of the Year and then followed up the next year and won Best Starlet.

But, Hillary Scott is the reigning Newbie and she has had an outstanding sophomore year and she has a very good chance for Best Starlet.

And, Stormy Daniels will be given very strong consideration for Features Director of the Year.

Interesting..........

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Hillary was nommed for AVN's Best New Starlet the same year McKenzie was nominated. I don't think one could be nommed for Starlet twice. If anything, I think Hillary has a good chance for AVN's Female Performer of the Year award come year's end when AVN announces its 2007 nominations.

Great write-up and observations, CJ.

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Sasha Knox just announced her retirement, and she only STARTED doing scenes in early 2006. I don't know if she's nominated in any AVN categories, but if she wins any, it would be truly ironic. Sasha seems to me to be a classic case of burnout - a meteoric rise, over 100 scenes in less than a year, and then... no direction to go but downhill. Too bad for her fans (including me).

I want to see some of these newbies like Lindsay Kay, Amber Ashley and Celina Cross stay around for a while. But I already heard Lindsay talk about implants - almost always ruins a star for me :-(

Maybe the agents are always pushing the girls to go too fast for their own good and causing the burnout? Who knows?

Just my 2 cents...

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Alektra Blue
Sasha Grey
Lacie Heart
Gianna Lynn
Candy Manson
Riley Mason
Michelle Maylene
Stefani Morgan
Naomi
Jenna Presley
Kirsten Price
Amy Ried
Ava Rose
Mia Rose
Charlotte Stokely

To say that this list confuzzles me would be an understatment. The most disturbing thing about it, however, would be the exclusion of Gianna (shit, where's Sierra Sinn?) while inactive, retired, missing, g/g-only chicks, contract stars and girls so new I'd think they were ineligible did make it onto the list.

So who have we seen the last of (if last year's win was any indication)?

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Fuck different.

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Unless they plan to stay in and around the adult biz (writer, producer, agent, sex shop owner) her career is mostly over within a decade or so. If she leaves adult, the videos follow her everywhere she goes. If she takes the AVN award, cries "Yiiiiihaaa!!!" and rides off into the sunset never to be seen again, so what?

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