I know I haven't asked for much so you probably don't know me that well. And it's probably wrong to summon most of the Porn Gods at the same time...but I am curious as to why, and this is specifically going to a number of Directors, Producers, and other all knowing creators of Porn:
Jules Jordan Joey Silvera Erik Everhard Manuel Ferrara Michael Raven Rocco Siffredi Brad Armstrong Sean Michaels John Strong Joone Jonni Darkko Andrew Blake Rodney Moore Seymore Butts Tanya Hyde Henri Pachard TT Boy Jake Steed Peter North Jim Crawford Robby D. Bob Kubilos Robby Fischer Paul Thomas Shylar Cobi Brandon Iron Wendi Knight Mason Anthony Spinelli John Leslie Lexington Steele Antonio Passolini Anders Manga Robert McCallum Rinse Dream Gerard Damiano Mitchell Brothers Paul Thomas Alex de Renzy Bobby Hollander Nacho Vidal Christoph Clark Tristan Taormino Tom Zupko Gregory Dark Ernest Greene Bruce Seven Stanley Miranda David Luger Clive McLean Chi Chi LaRue Vince Vouyer Tyrone Shu Sammy Sixx Max Hardcore Dion Giarrusso Mike John Patrick Collins Kirdy Stevens Helene Terrie Nic Andrews Pierre Woodman Jessica Dee Jewel De'Nyle Steve Holmes Kylie Ireland Julian Randy West Bryan Xin Alex Ladd Maurice Phillips K.K. Sal Genoa Chico Wang Axel Braun Zak Wylde Jim Powers Jill Kelly Steve Perry Mark Kulkis Jonathan Morgan Jordan Hart Dion Giarrusso David Luger Michael Carpenter Kira Eggers Toni Ribas Richie Zaye Frank Thring Red Ezra Mark Kulkis Stoney Curtis Jon Dough Don Marque Andre Madness Justin Slayer Michael Stefano Antonio Adamo John Leslie Chris Streams Robert Herrera Pat Myne Danny Case Jim Crawford Barrett Blade Skeeter Kerkove John Leslie Robert Black Michael Ninn Ed Powers Larry Flynt Hugh Hefner John Stagliano
Forgive me if I left anyone out, but my question is...when are we going to get a great clothing fetish series where the girls actually leave some of the clothes on during a lot of the scenes? As someone who's not horribly obsessed with feet, I find my self in the middle like a lot of porn watchers.
I buy a lot of dvds because the girl on the box is wearing something that either makes her ass or tits look so amazing, to only find she is either not wearing any of this in the video, or takes it all off quicker than you can say buzzkill.
The reason I say this, is because the same girls doing the same things, in the same way.....is the same shit. At least in my opinion, what makes it interesting is her wearing different things, saying a lot of different things, or in an exciting new location.
I would like to see a series where the girl wears a sexy skirt and actually has panties on under it. Where there are layers to what is taken off that builds up more excitement, just like in real life. What I'm asking for is a sort of reality porn. Where girls don't get 100% naked all the time.
What bothers me is that a lot of companies will make clothing fetish/role playing/uniform type porn, but won't have the girls leave on the clothes long enough for guys like me to enjoy. Seriously, what's a cheerleader scene good for if the cheerleader doesn't show any school spirt by leaving at least the skirt on during a good anal scene?
Make at least 1 series somewhere that the girl leaves the skirt and knee highs on, leaves the cotton shorts on long enough. Include more foreplay with clothes on like blowjobs and ass grabbing. You don't have to pull a girls pink cotton shorts off to grab her ass or bang her.
If a series just happened to be made, I can assure you there would be a massive turnout to buy these dvds. The non nude, partially nude, panty/stocking/clothing fetish people would show up because for years they have been buying panty fetish dvds and the like where the girl doesn't even keep the panties on during the sex scenes. Or a skirt covered box cover, where none of the girls keep on their skirts.
I feel it's long overdue, we need an upskirt series (with skirts on), a clothing whores series, a costume series where the stars aren't wearing monkey suits for christs sake, a tight shorts series, a quickie series, a uniform series where the uniforms stay on.
I know there are a lot of people who prefer the girls to get completely naked, which is fine, there are tons of great dvds for that. But there is an untargeted market here for this, that isn't getting any acknowledgement. If anything, a lot of people are being mislead by titles and boxcovers where the girls either don't wear what they are suppose to be wearing or take it off way too fast.
For any people who wish to respond, I understand you may prefer 100% all nude vaginal and anal scenes of the same girls over and over again. But let us clothing fetish guys have at least 1 series that's a little different. The piss drinking fans have theirs. Come on!
In closing, if you would like to see a real clothing fetish type series, please respond. And If I've offended any of the Porno Gods, please let me remind you that if you don't make money off a series like this, someone new will likely step in and do it. And as you can tell, there are a lot of you who could make money on this.
I couldn't possibly agree more...in fact, I mentioned the very same thing in this thread.
Its high time that a serious clothing fetish line were made. Where nurses are wearing ACTUAL nurse uniforms (by the way...for an AWESOME g/g nurse scene, check out Hearts and Minds on Digital Sin...the best I've ever seen!) We need french maids wearing real uniforms...as in Michael Ninn's classic Diva 2 (3 girl scene with Vicca). Schoolgirls, in the classic sense don't wear g-strings and stripper heels. Thats gotta stop.
I also think its time to address the classic lingerie fetish...girdles, body shapers, etc. And a serious panty fetish flick. People with hardcore panty fetishes generally don't go for the little tiny panties. They like briefs...cotton ones. And they like them to stay on.
Rocco, you and I see eye to eye on this issue, and if the porn gods are angered, well then perhaps its time for some new porn gods. Gods that understand that a schoolgirl without a uniform isn't a schoolgirl anymore. Same with nuns, nurses, maids...all of it. Every flick I've ever imagined making hasn't just included clothes, its focused on them.
I was watching Deep Throat This 21 today, and couldn't help but realize that every chick is totally nude. I thought how much more interesting it would have been if the chicks stayed dressed...even partially. And wouldn't it have been great to see the girl wearing real panties...substantial panties...and have the guy cum on them. Then have the girl rub them on her face. I'd pay to see that.
Oh and one more thing...I'm tired of skirts so short that they might as well have no skirt on at all. How about a long dress? Something that can really get hiked up. Generate some interest, please.
Another thing I'd like to see...real lingerie. Satin nightgowns, for instance. Wouldn't it be interesting to watch a girl pull a long white nightgown up to her waist, pull her satin panties to one side, and then get fucked? Its such a simple detail, and it would truly make the difference.
The most erotic porn scene I ever saw was Veronica Hart getting it in the butt from John Leslie in OUTLAW LADIES. She was fully clothed the whole scene, and she looked smoking hot. Sorta how office sex is in real life, where a bunch of naked guys don't suddenly appear from nowhere. The worst part is that most scenes today have at least 2 naked guys. Really getting annoying. Would love a secretarial series with fully dressed cuties.
You are right on the money!!! In a panty fetish film, I'd like to see some really nice cotton panties, not some cheap plastic looking wal-mart g-string. How about some panties that aren't trailer trash white for once? Maybe pink with a sexy rimmed trimming around the waist with a floral design. Something a woman would actually wear to impress a guy, not some nasty period panties.
Or how about a girl wearing those sexy shorts that say something on the back like, princess, cheer, or something an average girl would wear to get guys to stare at her ass.
A long dress theme would be awesome! Pulling up the fabric where it sits on top of the arch of a girls ass revealing her sexy panties and stockings underneath. Where she is a little shocked by what's going on but really gets into the moment. Maybe in a public place where she is looking around for people walking by.
If I honestly could request just one thing in porn to be done, it would be a series where clothing is the focus. The girls don't have to get panties shoved in their mouths, or some acne faced teens trying to act like 12 year old whores, or some stretchmarked implant whores with lipstick smeared and slobbering being deepthroated until they throw up....but just have some really beautiful girls with beautiful and sexy clothes on!
They could mix it up on each dvd released of the series to target different things. Long dresses, skirts, costumes, different time frames, different situations, etc. It would be really easy to do and would be very popular considering nobody else is doing it this way. So whoever did the first series would capture essentially 100% of the market share of people interested in these types of scene.
It brings softcore elements and hardcore elements together. Softcore in the fact that there is a lot of foreplay and built up interest in the girls through how they are dressed, what they are doing, who they are, and it will maintain that interest and storyline direction throughout the whole scene. And hardcore because the scenes will show penetration, anal, etc. To this day, it's one or the other. Nobody has tried to bring the two together in a series which sucks.
I think things will change soon though. It can clearly be seen there is a demand for it. Just look at how popular Jules Jordan and Evil Angel has become based on this premise. They honestly are as close as it gets so far. With girls wearing uniforms, skirts, elbow bands, neck collars, and dressing to look more beautiful and sexy than skanky HIV whores.
But I think they fail in the regards that they don't leave a lot of the skirts or costumes on long enough and they move the scenes often away from what they are based on into the psychotic fetish realm. Like with Melissa Lauren wearing her sexy outfit in Service Animals 18. Did they really need to put a plastic bag over her head and try to choke her?
Here they have this amazingly beautiful girl, they should be groping her, lifting her skirt and sticking their hands in her panties fingering her. They should have their heads literally under her skirt with her panties to the side eating her out, slamming her back against the wall. Lifting her up with their mouths because they are so into tasting her. Pulling her around by the waist of her skirt, lifting her knee highs in the air impatiently banging her.
There should be a fast paced excitement about it, slamming around and really getting into the girl. Not bag choking her.
It should be erotic, wild, sexy, with more taking advantage of what the girl is wearing. I don't know. There's obviously a market for that type of stuff. But I'd say it's already been met numerous times and the majority of guys would rather see the woman torturing the guy by being really into sex than the guy torturing the girl with a bag.
I'd rather see Mellisa driving the guys crazy by bouncing her ass forceful back against them and saying, "you're not going anywhere."
I guess I can only dream. Eventually if nobody else does something, I think I may enter into the directing biz and blow them all away. We shall see.
I actually have a dvd called The Panty Thief by Dorcel. Its quite good. I haven't spent a ton of time looking through the (quite extensive) Dorcel catalog, but I think now I might.
Honestly, though...given how much porn is created in the US, why must we look to french imports for this kind of quality? The same could be said for Private. In so many ways, its so far and away superior to whats made by US companies.
Rocco...I think your latest post deals with two very different topics, and I agree with them both. The clothing thing, which clearly we agree on, and the abuse thing, which we also agree on.
I spend a lot of time looking for good classic porn...70's and 80's stuff. For one thing, the clothes are better. Better lingerie, better dresses, better (more reasonable)shoes. But for another, the women aren't thrown around like animals. They're not gagged, and they're not slapped. Its exciting sex...both people are in to it. The women are seductive...they tease and play. And ultimately, the sex is hot, and the women look like women. I'm a fan of young looking girl sex from time to time, but these days we often come too close to rape, or torture, or abuse...all while the girls are trying to look 14. It not hot...not to me anyway. Porn of the past differed in that the women were clearly women, weren't ashamed of being sexually agressive, but without coming off like a $2 tramp.
I hope you're right about the pendulum swinging. Because if I see one more dvd of a girl trying to get her entire hand into another girl's ass, I might just have to puke. Why is that hot? I don't get it.
By the way...should you ever seriously consider taking on this fetish, I'd be interested in collaborating. Something tells me we'd make some KILLER porn. And hey...if nobody else likes it, at least we'd have something we'd both enjoy. I have the feeling that wouldn't be the case, though.
I don't know, I like a lot of the modern stuff. I feel they start moving in the right direction but keep dropping the ball.
I don't care, they could make whatever they want. At this point, I am just buying for certain stars and don't trust any series other than a few Evil Angel lines.
I think if just one of the people mentioned above would take the time to see that there is a lot of demand for a clothing fetish line, they could easily create something really top notch.
I have a long list of pornstars I'd like to see wearing some really sexy clothes, uniforms, skirts, etc. And there are a lot of people that can make it happen quicker than anyone and return a 10 bagger+ in profits on it but just don't for some strange blue balled reason.
And that is ultimately what I am wondering. Why don't they? Anyone know?
Oh, don't get me wrong. I like modern stuff too. And there are times when I really enjoy something that would normally go against my own tastes...like Deep Throat This 21. I don't normally enjoy straight up BJ vids, but I found myself enjoying that one.
I actually just rented Extreme Behavior 5. Overall, it was mediocre. But the first scene had a blonde woman wearing a Marilyn Monroe-type long white dress. Another woman crawled over, lifted the white dress, and crawled under, letting the dress fall. All you saw was the woman's feet, and the blonde in ecstasy from the oral sex that you weren't actually seeing, but you knew was going on. It really made an impact...so simple, yet generally missed.
For good measure let me just mention ny personal clothing fetishes, which include flight attendant uniforms, and all kinds of sports outfits, especially this with cute skirts as in tennis and field hockey. And as I have mentioned here and there, I love dancers, especially classical ballerinas.
She's definitely got a sweet ass. I'd personally like to see more ass play. Squeezing her ass while she's in her panties, maybe some girl biting it. I think panties really can add some color to a scene if you know what I mean.
There was an interesting scene in Anal POV where Erik "luckybastard" Everhard, is banging Tyla in a car. The hot thing was she had these really small blue jeans shorts on that she pulled to the side as she laid back over the passenger seat into the drivers seat to get banged.
Very nice idea for future POV scenes. But Erik dissappointed by zooming in on her face during this brief 10 second moment..right before he took her back to his place. Come on Erik! You got to zoom out you selfish bastard and stay until the cops come!! Come on, take one for the team!!!! hahaaaa
Besides Private and Dorcel it might also be of interest to scan Colmax, and some Italian studios or Goldlight for that matter. Also some features from IFG may go with your tastes.
And did you check out Ninn Worx' Euroglam?
BTW, there is a site somewhere on maisonx.com which has lot of screencaps from movies, and the site owner has a fetish for women wearing white stockings. Maybe you'll find some inspiration for your next shoppng session there.
The only reason I watch tennis is because of the hot girls!!
Field hockey, girls soccor, with their hair up in a pony tail and those little shorts and knee high socks! Great idea!
[/quote] Bravo! Make it look real, or at least believable.
For good measure let me just mention ny personal clothing fetishes, which include flight attendant uniforms, and all kinds of sports outfits, especially this with cute skirts as in tennis and field hockey. And as I have mentioned here and there, I love dancers, especially classical ballerinas. [/quote]
I think it all comes down to a need for more creativity and imagination. If only there were porn consulting firms to go to a live scene and say things like....
"that will never work, you should do it this way"
"she should probably leave that on and take that off"
What never ceases to puzzle me is how clueless some porn directors are. Here Cum the Brides 1 and 2 are the perfect examples. They actually are making a movie that obviously...OBVIOUSLY...must focus on the dress. Its the only thing that defines a woman as a bride. And yet, the dress is gone in less than a minute.
How dense can they be? That would definitely have been a time where a porn consulting firm would have come in handy.
"Um...excuse me...can you tell me why she's not wearing the dress anymore?"
Dude, do you have any idea how expensive a wedding dress is? The rental's bad enough. Having to buy the thing after getting it jizzed on would blow the whole budget!
There's some pretty reasonable deals to be had on eBay. Wedding gowns can be expensive, but they don't have to be. It doesn't need to be a Vera Wang after all. It doesn't even need to be new. I'm just saying that if you're going to make such a movie, you have to accept some costs as required.
What never ceases to puzzle me is how clueless porn consumers must be, since they are not able to get their hands on the stuff they are interested in.
Granted the perfect porn which hits every very button of mine, yours or anybody else may not be out there, but in a wider aspect there is good or very good porn for anybody out there. One has just to find it. But as in mainstream movies the very gems are rare.
Don't get me wrong - no offense intended, since I am also prone to start rants about the inflexibility, and especially to the high frequency of the literal "pink-glo fishnet". Or is it that 99.999% of gonzo-lovers live in areas where only Vivid, Dorcel et al. is available, and the sophisticated connaisseur of erotica happens to live in gonzo-land. At least I get this picture reading threads like this.
Apparently the price must be enormous only for gonzo-producers, or do the likes of Private, Ninn, Dorcel, d'Amato, et al. get them for free?
That occurred to me as well. But there's no denying that Private is a multi-million dollar production studio that can afford to throw down $200 for a dress for one scene. Gonzo folks work on far tighter budgets, I'd guess. Nonetheless, I say, don't make the movie if you can't afford to make it the right way.
Clothing is what made Jules Jordan famous. Seeing Mellisa Milano in a white skirt, white panties pulled to the side, white stockings, and white see through shirt pulled up to show her little tits, while she's banged on an ottoman in Trained Teens 2, has got to make any guys day.
We need, no...we must have more action like this!!!!
The belts, the bracelets, the handcuffs, the pink elbow bands, the dirty talk!!! Jules is the man.
When I have sex I love to wear tons of outfits, PVC, little girl clothes, dancer style slut clothes, pretty lingerie, etc., and I like to leave it on!
I do think the reason almost all guys that watch porn prefer them naked (discussed this w/ many men) is b/c these women are already "unattainable" and the nudity brings them closer to the viewer. I work in industry (private side) and find it gross when a client wants me nude. I feel they don't deserve it! I also feel sexier in my slut clothes, but a few out there want g/f experience and that means no clothes.
I agree though, they should give you an idea if the women in video DO leave clothes on or take off. Covers will always be Misleading.
Its all about the tease aspect! would like to see the girls leave short skirts on and tight little tops in some of jules jordans and joey silveras work!
Has a clothing fetish type series ever been created yet (in the U.S.) where they keep their outfits on during a majority of the sex? Anyone know of anything out there?
Ive been thinking alot lately about a brand of Porno like that. Not just a series but a Studio dedicated to more modeling/portfolio type work. Not just crammming "6 Cum Eating WHORES!" on one box...
But working closer with the bigger stars and doing more than just 1 sex act on a disk. ..Jenna Haze, Hillary Scott, Naomi, etc etc just to name a few have had the biggest impacts and fan reactions this past year with their solo releases.
And that leads back to the change up of style and presentation. A different approach..not just 3 bumbling guys; dick in hand, popping out of the kitchen from one of the 12 gonzo homes that we routinely see in porno..green hallway house..pole house...
This thread is about wanting a clothing/sex fetish series where the girls leave most of the clothes on during the sex. Skirts, wedding dresses, hats, whatever. Just some variety and some color in the scenes.
Here's a thought, maybe the people making porn have been there and saw so much that they are not turned on by what goes on in front of the camera. For them porn might be purely kinetic. Where I would shoot scene that made my dick hard, they can't, none of it gets them hard. That would explain the growing disconnect between sex and porn. Maybe they could add a paid position call it creative consultants, it would be filled by young porn fan(s) who's sole function would be to let them know what's hot. I get the feeling they think that given the opportunity to spend some time with the porn girl of our dreams we would beat the shit out of her and jack-off. +1 for normal clothing other than the standard porn gear.
In written erotica, clothing is a big part of each scene. I don't know why it can't be in visual erotica as well. It's not like porn scenes are overly-edited, where continuity would be a problem. I think a scene in which a man and woman frantically remove each other's clothing off piece by piece would be totally hot.
