I have noticed an increasing trend for companies to release scenes on its website, sometimes weeks before the DVD release. This seems to be particularly the case with much anticipated scenes, with Keisha's first anal for Hard X being a recent example. This raises the question of whether DVDs are still relevant or as relevant, particularly if one has to wait longer for the DVD release? Are DVDs reviews still relevant if consumers are watching individual scenes on-line? There is also the cost issue. Presumably it's a lot cheaper to subscribe to on-line content rather than buy 2 or 3 DVDs. Personally, I like the physical nature of a DVD and the cover art and the fact that I am creating a DVD collection. What do you guys think?
It's sad, but unfortunately it seems that it's true. Currently, DVDs have the following drawbacks: - no HD (only a few titles are available as Blu-ray), so we are limited to 480p - as already mentioned the growing trend of DVDs being only a secondary form of business, so DVD release date is AFTER the online release - if the DVD has a faulty issue, with the low numbers of DVDs produced there will be no fixed 2nd issue (things that still happen with normal movie DVDs from time to time). I have multiple issues with DVDs even from major companies that have errors but nothing will be done about it - sometimes online content has unedited scenes (fisting, etc. which is not on the retail version) - usually online is cheaper Still, I like it. With 1000+ normal motion picture DVDs in my collection and approx 200 titles in the HC section, my collection is still growing. there are, however some things on the plus side - nice view in the collection, especially if the DVDs have slip-case covers, shiny/glossy/reflecting cover art etc. - sometimes, DVDs have BTS not to be found online - sometimes, DVDs do not have a watermark which the online-version has (Elegant Angel & Blacked.com comes to mind, as do earlier Jules Jordan and Evil Angel, sadly both now have watermark also on the DVD) - for some sites it may be cheaper to get the DVD instead of joining (if only for a month or so), especially in the aftermarket where you can get certain DVDs for a few bucks - usually, for 480p the quality is better than for 480p online, since a higher bitrate (but an older compression method) is used. If no HD is available, I would assume the DVD is to prefer, since there's no 720p or 1080p version online with a better image. - the same goes for Blu-ray, too. 3 hours movie on a blu-ray takes up about 40GB with up to 40 mbit/s (or more), while the same scene for download usually has only 10-15mbit/s of datarate. Edited by - lex von v on 5/9/2015 12:15:32 PM
I would say they are still relevant as long as people are without broadband internet connections and as long as file sizes keep increasing though HEVC may slow down the latter. I buy Blu-ray and DVD for mainstream movies but with porn, I haven't bought a DVD in at least 6 years. The main reason for me only paying for online subscriptions or VOD for porn is a perception of better value for money because in most cases I don't care for the whole female cast of a porn movie so I feel I'm wasting money on performers whose scenes I won't watch.
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Posted - May 9 2015 : 2:07PM
I'll only buy porn on DVD or BluRay if that's the only option, as in the case of ArchAngel's releases thus far. Otherwise I have no desire to purchase porn in the form of physical media.
^ I'd say the future of porn is online porn-gaming, where people will be able to choose and play out their own sex-fantasies. This is the future, not only because it will fulfill people's fantasies better, but also because this will solve the problem porn-makers have with porn-piracy. When you have a porn movie online, then copying it and redistributing it for free to others is relatively easy. All you need is one viewer with a computer program to record everything that happens on screen. Making such a copy is so easy that people don't even need any technical expertise for this. But when you have a sex-game online, then making a copy of what happens on screen doesn't really make a copy of the game. Because you can't play the recording the way you can play the game. If games are distributed on DVDs, then copying them would be easy too. But if game software is located on a server controlled by the porn company, then copying that software is pretty hard for anybody to do. And even if people manage to copy it, then that software probably won't work on individual computers, without a server. Because software designed for servers needs to be run from servers. Edited by - Dan on 5/11/2015 7:32:16 AM
^ That would solve the problem if everybody was amenable to it. Digital Playground's Virtual Sex with... series was pretty good but it's not for everyone. People have such varying tastes that I doubt an online sex game could possibly be that silver bullet in the fight against piracy. I'm sure an online version could have more scenarios than the Virtual Sex DVDs but I'd be surprised if they could cover all bases. It would probably require a massive budget and attracting investment could be a challenge without a huge amount of research, which would probably be essential to project a logical ROI. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink...
^ Perhaps present-day computer technology isn't yet good enough to create online porn-games for a reasonable cost. But such technology is advancing every year and becoming cheaper too. Which is why I believe that this will be the future of porn. Online porn-gaming has to be made realistic enough to be clearly better than just watching a porn-movie. And once you have this kind of realism for a reasonable cost, then this clearly will be the way to go for the whole porn industry. Because the porn industry will have a product that cannot be copied and a product that many regular porn-watchers would want to use. It's possible now to copy a person's voice and make it into a computer voice that sounds just like the real person. That's how Apple's Siri voice works on the iPhone. Apple's Siri can now say anything its computer program makes it say, including things that the original voice actress has never said herself. Something like this is possible to do with images of the human body too. Live porn-actresses and actors could record a series of sex-acts with each other, and this recording would then be used to create computer-generated characters that look just like them. Such computer characters would be able to do things that the original actors never did themselves, just like this was done with the Siri voice. There would still be work for live porn-actors and actresses in such a situation. But their work would be very different from what they do now. Because doing porn for a computer game is very different from doing porn for a movie.
Not only are DVDs being released late, some scenes for certain websites don't make it to dvd at all. Combine that with subscriptions being cheaper and dvds possibly having scenes your not interested in, and I can see why subscribing online is more popular. That said, I would rather have a dvd where I'm interested in the full cast. Problem is finding those movies that meet my tastes and have a full or almost full cast I like.
I honestly didn't even think DVD's were a thing anymore. I can't think of one DVD shop in my area for adult OR mainstream movies... although these Red Box things are popping up here and there. - Jimmy Hooligan My Site / Anal Porn / Porn Scenes Edited by - Jimmy Hooligan on 5/12/2015 10:37:12 AM
^^^ Believe it or not, I'm familiar with Siri and Google Voice though I contest your argument that it sounds just like a real person - Siri and Google Voice's inflection is still not close enough and thus too close to the stereotype of a robot for me to agree. Again believe it or not, I'm aware that technology is advancing (I have worked in the manufacturing industry) and its cost is decreasing which can be passed on to the consumer. Funnily enough, I don't recall having a smartphone a decade ago, just a PDA that had functionality I almost take for granted today. There's another pattern. I'm aware that taking part in a simulated experience is different from watching something similar. I've played video games and watched movies with similar themes or plots - I know the experience is different. You've either not appreciated or wilfully neglected that there are considerations beyond the transaction than that experience. Knowing somebody has bought a porno is one thing but knowing more intimate details about their fantasies that can be collected from the inputs they provide in your online porn game is another. All it takes is a hack through brute force or poor security for those details to be siphoned off and sold, exposed or used as leverage for blackmail, cue the embarrassment. Service level agreements and trust are two of the biggest obstacles in the way of online services taking the place of in house services. Only the most naive people won't question what assurances there are that their details have the most unlikely chance of being hacked. You said your idea would help fight piracy in time but is time a luxury that a lot of companies in the industry have? Talking about your "solution" in terms of how it be feasible when the cost comes down almost sounds like how curing a patient is feasible but you only come up with a cure after that patient dies from their ailment. As I said before, the Virtual Sex with series was pretty good but you've said nothing in your proposal to convince me your game would gain mass adoption and become a game changer. I'm sure it'll work as a novelty for some but I've seen nothing to make me believe it will revolutionize the industry.
The answer is no. People continue to buy both Mainstream, and Adult DVD's. Same for CD's. As a re-seller I can attest to this. And I can go in any shop and find people buying the above formats mentioned new, and used. I think some of you must live in remote areas and just don't see as much of this as you would if you lived in a large metro. And I am not denying the cost of producing DVD's in the Adult market can be expensive, but since it is the largest market for DVD's........
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Posted - May 14 2015 : 2:49AM
I don't see DVDs die very often, but computers with content tend to do.
In 2005, self-driving cars were so bad that they definitely weren't a viable solution for any kind of traffic problem. But now, almost every car manufacturer is testing self-driving cars and is preparing to launch them as consumer products in the next few years. That's how it works for any kind of computer-driven technological solution to some problem, including porn. Just because porn computer-games aren't good enough now doesn't mean that they won't be good enough in a few years from now. Porn has gone through a number of technological revolutions in the past. And it doesn't make sense to think that we've finally had our last technological revolution and from now on things will stay the same for the foreseeable future. Such an idea makes no sense at all. There is no such thing as the final technological revolution in porn or in anything else. Edited by - Dan on 5/14/2015 5:37:06 AM
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Posted - May 14 2015 : 6:48AM
Agree contrary to popular belief there is still quite a bit of people that continue to use old fashion DVD/CD players and never use a computer to watch them. They are usually older generation that didn't grow up watching movies on their PC's or live in places where internet connections are crap. Personally, I haven't bought any DVD's for a while and the last blu-ray I bought was the Tera Patrick one they did in Hawaii with all the pretty scenery. I do still rent them though since there are certain scenes that can only be found on DVD and have never been converted to digitial or put online. Anyways, with 4k video out now some of the video quality you can get online has finally caught up to the quality you find on disc.
Surprised someone like Jacco hasn't weighed in on this thread, as, working for yourchoice, selling DVDs is his bread & butter. I guess someone like him would know how well (or badly) DVDs were selling. For the longest time I bought solely DVDs (amassing a humongous collection), probably due to a combination of mistrust/naivety about viewing online. Once I joined my first site, though, I realised the extent to which I'd been, literally, paying through the nose. The sheer volume of content you can download for the same price (or less) of a DVD makes it an absolute no-brainer. No physical storage hassles either. Very rare I buy any DVDs nowadays.
I've gauged this by the dwindling size of the DVD section at the Hustler Store down here in my neck of the woods---tb
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Posted - May 14 2015 : 2:10PM
If I may add to what Dan and JigglyBoobs are saying. One possibility for the future of porn is integrating with tubesites and not fighting piracy. One idea I have is that a place like Pornhub could have a performer tipping option where 10 percent of the tip goes to the producers. This 10 percent would be made null of course it performers are also the producers. The adjunct to this is that porn sites can have their own own performer tipping system that is tied to becoming a member(for this of course the WHOLE tip goes to the performer). This will have to be aggressively low pricing however as increasingly free porn will make for prices that compete with free. Basically Brazzers, JJ EA/EA would set up channels at pornhub and connect with fans. There could be a site tribute that fans can give to companies (like what exists on clips4sale). I think if a site like pornhub made this overtures, producers might look at them less badly. I also think that more fan/member customization is needed. Voting on who the next performer will be in a given series, most wanted performer polls/votes where members determine the performers ect(think of the booty movie 2 voting process, insulate that process and tie it to one day membership). When bitcoin/blockchain evolves to the next level in the 2020s all the points I am making will make more sense.
Exactly where did I say things will stay the same or that things do not progress? No, I don't see where I said that either. I disagreed with your specific suggestion but I absolutely did not disagree with technological progress outright and frankly you're extremely naive to suggest I'm some sort of conservative Luddite. What I said was that you failed to convince me that your proposal was a solution that would get off the ground and would stay in the air. Instead of giving a logical counter argument against what I feel are legitimate barriers against online porn computer games (trust, security and service level agreements, true of most forms of cloud computing services), you go on the defensive, evading what I said and implying that I said we've come to the end of technological progress.
Somebody mentioned my name? To paraphrase Mark Twain, the reports on the death of DVD are an exaggeration. People who spend a lot of time online (like probably all of us here) tend to forget how many people don't have decent internet and for who streaming or downloading is just not an option at all. IF and when the DVD goes away it will be to another kind of physical medium (not Bluray, that failed in porn due to the high production costs), but it has not emerged yet. And people do like to really own something, which you do with a DVD and not with streaming, DRM-ed downloads and crap like that. Hell, after DVD's became popular it took videotapes more than a decade to be replaced. Jacco
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Posted - May 15 2015 : 1:52PM
^ Exactly. Even though DVD sales continue to drop, there are still a hell of a lot of people out there buying them. It's like McDonald's...it seems like every month there's some business report talking about how much their sales have dropped (along with their stock value), but needless to say, there are still plenty of people out there eating Micky-D's.
Although I have now gone the route of digital downloading, I like to think I've made my contribution to DVD sales over the years (amassing somewhere in the region of 3000 of the buggers). And I do still buy them occasionally - such as yourchoice's excellent (and exclusive) Michelle Thorne discs. I tend to buy Kink.com and GGG stuff on DVD too.
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Posted - May 20 2015 : 2:00PM
Coming back to the thought of Apple's Siri giving fanboy perverts impure thoughts and stiffies, it's not just us. In fact, The Big Bang Theory did an episode about Raj falling in love with Siri and the inevitable consequences... Raj Meets Siri
Of course in the Era of following the crowd every company wants you to subscribe to their website in the 2021. NOPE, it's the equivalent of paying auto insurance on your back up car that sits in your garage 8 months out the year. Just like Gof in the beginning of this thread, I'm grown so I keep the DVDs. I'm not giving any company my credit card # for any miscellaneous charges nor allow them to put malware on my devices. I enjoy porn on a 70' Big screen not a phone, tablet, & or laptop. Once DVDs are No longer available, I'll stop purchasing.
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The latest generation of gaming systems are generating the final "last gasp" of all laser reading technologies in the public space.
When Playstation decided to give their next system a disc drive option (you can buy a Playstation 5 with or without one... it's up to you) because of consumer backlash about preferring hard copies of games (of which I was one of those)... and then X-Box followed suit. This decision has kept discs limping painfully along for another 5 years or so.
But even I, who do prefer Hard Copies of games and who have not upgraded to a PS5 yet have been downloading digital copies of games for my PS4 a lot in the last 6 months. This is for a variety of factors, like game shops either haven't had copies of games that I wanted, or not the version of them that I wanted, how ridiculously cheap Playstation sales online are, and how easy the whole process is. Some of these no doubt have been done on purpose to prep us to accept that the PS6 will definitely not have a disc drive, and to generate more converts... but it is difficult for even me a die hard "physical discs are far superior" guy to deny how much easier it is to just buy stuff through the Playstation Store.
As for TV streaming services. I am literally the only person in my "circle of people" who is the last hold out to jump on the bandwagon. Everyone else I know has just given up on their DVD/Bluray collection and converted to becoming total Streaming Whores now.
There will still be a few niche Disc Drive weirdos that will continue on for the next 20 years no doubt. But they will be a rare breed. Like those people who still have "Lazer Disc" record systems.
But regardless, the days of the disc drive are numbered... the clock is already counting down as we speak.
I purchased a 1080p vod download and the quality was horrible (yuck). If I could buy it on DVD or BD I would.
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^ I am truly amazed by this fact. Seriously, if you had told me when I first joined this forum (2013) that porn DVDs would still be going strong in 2021, I wouldn't have believed you.
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Posted - Mar 11 2021 : 12:56AM
For gaming the big advantage of physical discs is being able to sell the games when you're finished with them. Do it right (buy used) and you can often play games with the only expense being shipping. For movies/tv the advantage is better picture quality due to less compression, and there will always be people willing to pay extra for better quality. For porn I don't see any advantage at all, especially after the death of porn on blu-ray.
^ Well, while true. That talk was more because of the upgrade to superior Laser Disc mediums (ie. Bluray).
While I'm more talking about the death of newly mass-produced Laser Disc reading devices (which without those being readily produced and available, unless you are willing to fork out to get your old devices continually repaired and are willing to only buy old previous years movie releases... will limit your ability to watch them).
Finding a new 2021 made laptop with a disc drive included is becoming increasingly difficult already (you have to buy them separately as a USB attachment usually), even 2 years ago this was not the case. Pure digital download releases are becoming more common as are options to download 30+ GB uncompressed quality versions of movies which are far superior to what a bluray disc is capable of having (which when combined with 5G downloads speeds are now becoming much more viable). Streaming services generally are taking off worldwide. Online game downloads are slowly but stedily rising in popularity (despite as mentioned above not having a "resale" option without physical copies. 16TB+ external Hard drives with 3.0 USB ports are becoming cheaper on a monthly basis and are already no longer unaffordable for most. As are Solid State Drives (SSD's) becoming larger and cheaper to buy.
And as I said, just among my personal friends. People who were obsessed with owning each and every new release as they came out to add the discs to their extensive collections over the last few decades, their collections are mostly sitting on their shelves gathering dust unadded to and unloved. I am the last holdout I know.
And when the Playstation 6 is announced years from now without a disc drive addition even being an option... that announcement will be the final nail in the coffin.
^ I'll have to get back to you on that. As I said, I'm the last holdout among my friends. Still a bit old school and a slowly caving but still resistant convert.
I know a guy who buys movies through online sites (well, that is what he told me anyway) at these ridiculously high definitions (Not porn BTW, regular movies). He's the one who told me about it.
I don't see him very often, but next time I do I'll ask him which sites he purchases these movies from.
Being a gamer myself I strongly stay on the hard copies side the reason would be pretty simple: they close the servers , for PS3 Sony already has ceased to support that console , in a few years I won't be able to DL the games I bought anymore , on my Playstation One or on my Game Cube (to mention just two of my gaming consoles) I only have to put a disc in and then play , who cares about the servers? Who cares about a defaulted software house? Who cares about a SH abandoning their gaming division? Who cares about SH and hosts quarrels with the SH removed from stores? (Epic anyone?) . I can play my hard copy whenever I want , wherever I want , once I bought it it's in there I only need a working console.
When I remove a disc from a console it stays in my library ready to be used again, but if I install it on a HDD I'd have to remove it to make room for new games if they close the servers I'd lose my purchase and won't be able to DL it anymore
And yes I buy hard copies and even their digital counterpart , because I found it easier to change game from my HDD rather than change the disc plus I downloaded many indies who aren't available through retailers
Of course I'm a collector and a retrogamer too, were I one of those who just buy and sell or at least buy and play just once the Digital Download is a great opportunity , you buy through offer, discounts and special occasions , play your game and just remove it , but to me this is not an option , at least as a main suply for my games
Let's talk about movies , I still buy those BRD or DVD especially TV Series boxsets , why well almost the same as servers , I have two streaming membership for movies and three for sports , while for sports it's OK , since a sport event lives in the moment streaming only is OK also it stays on demand a while if I need to rewatch something or to watch something I missed and this latter is a great opportunity for concurrent events , but for movies and TV series is not the same.
The providers of thestreaming services, in my case Amazon Prime and Netflix, don't have their stuff for ever they remove them , if I hadn't the chance to see something I'd lose it or I may have to buy another streaming service , for example I never saw Seinfeld back then so I had the chance to watch it on Prime , I only could watch 8 seasons and a couple episodes of season 9 , now they have removed it and I don't know who has it, I couldn't watch Ready Player One when it was available with Prime now they moved it in their store and I have to pay for it , and they did so for many other things. A lot of material migrated to Disney+ or other streaming services , I had also Infinity but I didn't like it, never again. The Americans was a 6 seasons TV series available on Netflix but in my Country they only aired 5 seasons and then removed it, it is now available on Prime and lucky me I have that service . Homeland begun on Prime but after four seasons they removed it , much later it was available on Netflix but only the first six seasons , season 7 and season 8 are missing . Viking also migrated before its end from Netflix to Prime , but many other things went elsewere ,I have several other examples , I just can but every fucking streaming service that exists , so I buy boxsets and watch trough them, it's cheaper that way
needless to say I hate commercials that's the main reason why I converted to streaming services in the first place
I have what may seem like a silly question...When the topic of DVDs is being discussed here are you only talking about the physical DVDs only? Because physical DVDs are slowly becoming a thing of the past I would think. It will be years down the road before they're gone but that time seems to be coming. I think less and less people buy them as time goes on and at some point it won't may financial sense to produce them. However......I think porn studios will always make streaming "DVDs". For people like me who don't subscribe to any site I like being able to stream/download "DVDs" from EVIL ANGEL, JULES JORDAN, DOGFART, BLACKED, etc...I would think these types of "DVDs" would be very important to sites/studios/companies to get their product out there for people who may like a studios content but don't want to subscribe to a bunch of sites.
Unlikely to happen since companies like to control and manage their own content (and are rivals) but if none of them are willing to spend their own money to invest and release more things on Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray (combo pack for both?) there's potentially an opportunity out there for a new start up company to license scenes from various studios and do the Blu-ray authoring and replicating themselves.
Rather than slapping a bunch of random scenes of different girls and genres/fetishes together; sales would probably be stronger if each release was a showcase of a specific girl
e.g. a Savannah Bond interracial showcase with scenes from Jules Jordan, Dogfart, Bang Bros
I have yet to buy any porn Blu-ray because nothing available appealed to me. I haven't found any detailed reviews but I'm guessing the video quality bitrate isn't as high as it could be and the audio quality is probably lossy instead of lossless. If companies are going to pay higher costs for Blu-ray why skimp on audio to save money there? Even some Hollywood studios still can't make an above average Blu-ray release free of video and audio problems. Sometimes Blu-rays of the same movie in English released in other countries look and sound better because a different company actually knows what they're doing. And if they're region A or you have a region free player sometimes it's worth importing and paying a little extra for shipping.
This is one of the problems I have with DVDs. Often the lineup has more girls I'm indifferent about vs girl(s) I actually want to see. That has kept me from buying some DVDs and it is the reason I have DVDs that I've only watched one scene. But I have to admit as much as I would want to see studios mostly do showcases of girls...it really isn't in the best interests of studios or performers to go that route. Not every girl has the fanbase or popularity to justify having a showcase. And the girls who have the potential to being able to headline a showcase unless she's given scenes along with other or more popular to show her stuff. In the meantime, if girls are given showcases regularly that would probably lead to a fan burning out on them more quickly or decide they've seen enough of them after just a couple or a few showcases. I think the way showcases are done now is probably the best way to handle them. Only give them to girls with a fanbase big enough to justify them. Give them to girls doing something they haven't done before or that fans wanted to see from them. Compilations for girls with a large enough body of work and a fanbase big enough to make it worth wild.
Just letting you know that as of April this year, Zero Tolerance (including 3rd Degree and Diabolic) does not release any of its new movies on DVD anymore. Previously there were roughly 12 DVDs per months from this studio, now (apparently coinciding with the release of the new ZT site) it's VOD only.
The only gripe I have with it that I was collecting the covers for all these movies (look at my twitter https://www.twitter.com/Lex_von_v), no more high-res covers for the movies from this company, as the VOD sites don't have high-res version of that which I was able to get from the physical DVDs...
They could offer DVD spec (4.7GB) downloads for VOD instead of those highly compressed 480p video. I know not everyone has high speed internet but do you really need a 4gb file in 2 minutes?Not even hotmovies? zt says
^ With High-res covers, I count everything with more than 1000 px in height. Such as the covers from adultdvdmarketplace. But hotmovies only has 90 hex 600 pixels (full cover, the 900 are the width. With 1000 px in height, the cover should be 1500 pixel wide...)
