Did you see Big Bottom Sadie, which was re-released in a souped up deluxe version?

I haven't seen too many of their recent titles, but I had no complaints about Slave Dolls or Tails of Perversity 9, in terms you describe. They were both pretty rockin'.

Anyway, poke around ... become friendly with the Search function, you'll find plenty of answers to your question.

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But their she-male lines were always second rate, bottom qaulity. More than likely directed by someone who wasn't into the whole she-male vibe. So the quantity/quality was bad from the start. You can't have a she-male with a huge scar running from nipple to base of her breast and think that that looks good. Or can ya?

I also have heard that Patrick is too controlling, not allowing the directors to run with ideas. After all, Tom Byron was there and gone, Rob Black, Van Damage, Jessica Darlin', Tony Ribas, David Lugar, Dion Giarrusso, Vince Vouyer, Mason, Jordan brothers (who I think left).

When you look at all who have been there, but left, you would think that maybe Elegant Angel could've been a powerhouse?

I don't know what their philosophy is, but I do know that I've enjoyed about 79% of their releases, that I have seen.

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Your post reminded me of a horrible sin EA commited,how can you put Ann Marie in Sodomania and not bang her ass?I know she doesn't do anal,but what the krunk is she doing in a movie called SODOMANIA???????????????????????????

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

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I hope Patrick Collins will go back to basic.

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1) Directors: the focus is on talent, experience, reliability, and consistency. We just finalized the signing of two major award-winning directors under exclusive contract...but I can't tell who they are, you'll have to wait for the press releases. The latest trend in the industry is to go for the "Shock Value"? Well...I have something REALLY shocking now: directors that actually know how to do their job.

2) Box Covers: a new graphic artist, a brand new logo. Again, more quality.

3) Editing: completely replaced the editing department. Our movies will now be handled by a multi-award-winning post production facility.

4) Cameras: replaced all our cameras with cutting-edge equipment.

5) DVD: after trying several different companies, we finally found one that delivers top-quality authoring, encoding and replication. Plus, more extras.

6) The burning question: is Elegant Angel going soft? If by soft you mean lame, then the answer is no. We will have more features, but they'll still have all the elements of filth, depravity and perversion that Elegant Angel became famous for.

Needless to say, we always appreciate your input. Criticism is always constructive, but remember: changes take time.
Everybody at Elegant is working hard to deliver, and we will.

Axel Braun
General Manager
Elegant Angel Productions

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I am anxious to learn who these two new directors are.

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I wonder if I might ask Mr Braun a question. Has the huge success (critical if not financial) of "Fashionistas" influenced the changes you are making at Elegant Angel?

Perhaps I am reading this question wrong, but if I am not, Fashionistas was under Evil Angel.

If I did, infact read this qustion wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, and I apologize.

Mitzi is good with getting the press releases out for Elegant Angel, so as soon as she gets it done, you will know who those two new directors are.

”Time and money, two things I have so little of.
But if I had both, I’d be bored and rich.” –BIGmike.

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I say there I too was impressed with the level of professionalism displayed in Axel's response to my comments. And I followed the link to the other thread about the fans who were invited to visit with Elegant and give input. After all of that, I believe that Elegant really is doing everything they can to improve. Like someone said earlier, with the upheaval in porn some companies will be permanently left behind. I really would rather see somebody else get pushed out than Elegant Angel simply because Elegant has been around so long.

So, here is the good I have seen so far:

The boxes are awesome now. There are arguments to be made for featuring only one girl prominently on the cover as opposed to showing each girl, but I think the former is working very well. The box for "Filthy First Timers 33" was the only reason I rented the tape considering the cast is full of unknowns. The box for "Heavy Handfulls 2" was awesome as well. That's a good first step.

Signing Ann Marie was a great step. However, putting her into a Sodomania tape and letting her dodge the anal was not. If she doesn't do anal, that is fine and respectable enough considering the vast pressure I'm sure she is under to do so. However, don't intentionally decieve your audience by putting her in an anally themed tape where the other girl in the scene with her does the anal.

Mason was great simply for all the attention she brought your way.

"Big Bottom Sadie" was pretty damn good. I especially liked the kinky scene with Michele Raven getting stooped by two different guys through bathroom stalls.

The new "Squirting Adv. of Dr. G" line is a nice idea. If you actually employ girls that actually squirt then keep it up. However, don't pull a "Rainwoman" and fake the damn squirting.

Here's the potentially good/bad thing:

Bringing in Tom Zupko was...a risky step. I remember when Lizzy Borden was releasing "Cocktails 2" and "Forced Entry" and Extreme was so proud of those. Well, I am of the mind that the only value in product like that is the inherent "shock value". But, you know what? The shock goes away eventually to reveal what crap the actual product is and sometimes you shock the wrong people. Zupko's work definitely had that shock value to it. While I don't like watching Luciano throw fake brain matter all over Taylor St. Claire's body or agree with Kendra Jade shoving pages of the Bible up her ass in "Ass Clowns," Zupko's stuff definitely had thought and devotion behind it. The man seems to completely engross himself in his work and it shows in the product, which is not something I could say about the aforementioned Extreme flicks (Do not take that as a gratuitous Rob Black slam because it is not meant to be.) So, I am sure that "Flesh Circus" will be great. But, keep that bastard in check. Don't go practicing free speech simply because you can. On a sidenote, I checked out his "Zupko's Lost Tapes" which contained a scene in which he confronts former mentor John Stagliano and basically treats him like a piece of shit. Zupko is who he is, but don't start revolting and placing yourself in the position of rebel in an industry full of rebels just so you can be the cool outsider. However, I know those two had some drama of sorts so maybe I didn't fully understand what I was seeing.

Here's the bad things:

Losing Ann Marie. What the hell is she doing at Metro? I mean seriously. What the hell is she doing at Metro? Great pick-up for them, but potentially bad move for her. Good luck to her though.

Losing Mason. Again, I have yet to see any of her stuff but the fact that I know who she is and who she worked for says a lot about her impact for whoever she is with (Platinum, right?)

Those films with the great covers still aren't that great. But I am sure that will come with time.

Any suggestions:

Keep on trying to improve. And, if you knew anything abot me you would know this was coming, hire Taylor St. Claire whenever you can. Talk her out of semi-retirement if you have to. Also, I noticed that Zupko managed to get Scotti Andrews for "Flesh Circus." That woman is ridiculously hot with a liking for anal and big, natural breasts. She did a lot of stuff for Anabolic/Diabolic that was pretty hot. If she is indeed back for good then hire her for more projects. She'd be an improvement on the cheaper, yet less enthusiastic Eurogirls.

PS..I am VERY new here, but I would imagine that Zupko is probably a potentially volatile topic of conversation so remember pretty much everything I said about him is simply my opinion.

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I wish Zupko would find a company where they would give him the freedom to shoot whatever he wants how he wants without being afraid of being politically incorrect.

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Zupko is not really a big deal around here. Others don't seem to hate him as much as you do.

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"Well, I remember having heated discussions with Rog on RAME after he reviewed Anal Ball. Ages ago it seems."

I've actually talked to Rog a couple of times about Zupko and I pretty much agreed with him. Unlike Rog though, I do think that shock porn has its place in the industry though I myself am not a fan of it.

"It sounds like you are still shell shocked about what caused the falling out between you and TStC."

That is very true. She once told me that I didn't think before I talked. Well, I probably over think everything after what happened between the two of us. I won't go into the details because it is a long story that I am sure you don't want to hear, but you hit the nail right on the head there.

"Others don't seem to hate him as much as you do."

I don't hate Zupko. Well, I am not too fond of him considering something I was once told about him, but I can't deny his talent. I was trying to actually point out that he is quite good at what he does and it shows in his work. And stripped of all the distracting sensationalism, his sex scenes are all blistering hot. Simply put, he is a major land for Elegant Angel unless he starts getting out of hand which is a possibility. I remember reading Extreme's press releases where they were all proud of how controversial they were and actually inviting the government to get involved. Now, it has happened and they are doing their damnest to make themselves out to be the sympathetic character. There is just something about rebelling simply for the sake of rebelling that bothers me. I sense that Zupko has that characteristic to him.

But...this is not supposed to be an idictment of Extreme or Zupko. I fear I am getting horribly off topic and am probably no longer providing Axel with anything he can use to improve his product which was the original point. Sorry.

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ZUPKO SIGNS EXCLUSIVE DEAL WITH ELEGANT ANGEL!!!

...that corresponds with Axel Braun's statement: We just finalized the signing of two major award-winning directors under exclusive contract...but I can't tell who they are, you'll have to wait for the press releases.

*well, one director, that is.

”Time and money, two things I have so little of.
But if I had both, I’d be bored and rich.” –BIGmike.

Edited by - BIGmike on 5/7/2003 4:31:07 PM

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Axel Braun
General Manager
Elegant Angel Productions

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Should be fun to sit back and enjoy the ride.

For the latest in adult and amateur news and reviews, visit The House Of Truth
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I'd love to see another feature from Patrick Collins. He really is the spirit behind this studio, and when he's on, he's really on.

That's my fan's perspective impression... for better or worse. :)

Mike L.

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I disagree with Bill on the topic of Zupko. There was a thread regarding Amee Donavan started by Rog which I stated my views on the subject of Zupko. I agree with TSC on the fact that Zupko is a hotly debated topic with the fans. I agree with Ramsey on many things in porn, but Zupko is not one of them. I think he does need some toning down so that he will sell more DVD's. After the shock is gone, will people still watch the movie? I am not a fan of much that Zupko has done in the past, and I don't believe many of the things he says. However, I am willing to give him a second shot to enjoy his product. I just want him to do away with the circus stunts which ruin the flow of the scenes (ie. Ass Clowns, Abyss, etc.) This is merely my opinion.

Sorry if the second part is off-topic. I was simply responding to the statement that Zupko is not really a big deal around here.

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As I told a certain porn director recently though...N'Sync sell a LOT of CDs, but that doesn't mean I can't point out that they suck :-)

LATE

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"As I told a certain porn director recently though...N'Sync sell a LOT of CDs, but that doesn't mean I can't point out that they suck :-)"

I had a feeling you might pop up in here Rog. Sorry if I misrepresented you. And I liked your point about N'Sync...God I hate them. But that is a different issue.

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That N'Sync thing is a story I've been meaning to write. Does popular equal good? If the point is to sell a lot of CDs, DVDs, whatever, then perhaps. But if (collective) we don't like it.....hmmmmm another talk for another time.

Thanks...

LATE

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Holy shit! You revived this old thread? You can tell how old it is by my first sentence in the first post of the thread: "I know that Axel Braun from Elegant posts on here so I hope he doesn't get pissed at this, but..." If I remember correctly, this was actually my first or second thread ever. Hell, back when I started this I was still hoping for Taylor St. Claire to do boy/girl again. Hmm. Some things never change.

Anyway, my opinion has definitely changed. I have been really impressed with Elegant Angel's turnaround over the past year or so. Now, they have Tianna Lynn on in a rather peculiar position (she seems to wear several hats for them, as peformer, behind the scenes employee, and all around intern on her way to directing someday) and Zupko continues delivering good stuff, if not as quickly as a selfish fan such as myself would like. However, I am real picky with what I'll rent and as chancewould have it I haven't really seen a lot of casts from them that I just couldn't miss. As result, I can offer no opinion on the current work of Patrick Collins, Zak Wylde, or William H. because I haven't seen anything from them in a while. William H.'s "Glazed and Confused 4" was unique enough that I remember it though. I do enjoy Elegant's current boxcovers as well as the general feel I get from their films. I did notice on Kinzie Kenner's official site that she already has a boxcover up of an upcoming POV release from EA with her on the cover. Looking forward to that.

A new Buttwoman film you say? Whatever happened to Lauren Phoenix as the new Buttwoman? I think this girl qualifies as the new Buttwoman on the internet. But it is a good suggestion. Maybe Elegant Angel is moving away from that, what with trying to establish Cytherea as Squirtwoman and Tianna as their in-house performer.

Edited by - tscfan317 on 3/14/2005 10:01:57 PM

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I think it's fun reviving old threads and showing how times can change. Maybe that change had something to do with ADT? That would be good news... the future of porn is in OUR hands.

My request for the future: What about... a squirting movie with Flower 2G in every scene?

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