Seriously though; I doubt that mainstream media will portray pornography in any positive light.

Can you imagine Belladonna describing to Diane Sawyer how she takes a baseball bat up her ass? Will the good questions be asked? That would be a great day in America.

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What I found so disgusting though, was witnessing 5 bitter women cackle about how "sick" this industry is-- drawing those opinions from nothing other than stereotypes and cliches, while only perpetuating a myth in the name of ratings.

I was embarrassed to be a woman today.

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i caught of bit of the view today as i was getting ready for work - that evil guy from American Idol was on - the way they were so interested in what this guy had to say absolutely floored me...

i can't see how anyone can be interested in a person who hurls insults at another...

sorry to hear that belladonna presents herself that way in the interview - i'll have to check it out tomorrow...

- Pornmaster Mike

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I'm actually pretty disappointed in Mason. Why don't you wait and see the whole interview first before you talk negatively about Belladonna and what she did or didn't do? With all the good things she DID say about the adult business, I'm still sure that Primetime will edit most of them out.
But it's times like these that the adult business needs to stick together, not pick each other apart.

Yes, I have a feeling that this will be one of the worst TV shows in a long time regarding the adult business. But no matter what happens, I still support Belladonna. I think most of us, if we are honest, have a few negative things to say about the adult business. But I'm proud to have her be in the public eye and representing someone like me.
At least she has the courage to go face-to-face with someone like Diane Sawyer and not try to hide behind anything.

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Tricia, I am curious: Have you ever felt, or ever seen examples of, mainstream media coverage that got it right (as complex as "it" is) or, at least, where you felt that the reporter/writer made an honest effort to portray things in a realistic light, good or bad? I think I'm aware of every single porn article that's run in the last 5-6 years, and I know of maybe one or two that I thought delivered the goods. But, I wonder what you think ...

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Mason, I respect you, but without an example of what she said that was so negative, I am left in the dark as to what she said that was awful. I DO NOT KNOW Belladonna personally, I have met her and interviewed her once, but she never gave me any impression that she hated porn, or regretted anything. In fact, she talked about watching her scenes, being EXTREMELY proud of Fashionistas, loving Evil Angel, and enjoying ever guy she has worked with. So, aside from the fact that every porn star might have a crappy day at work, I am amiss and curious as to what she has a problem with in porn.

As for the media, Diane Sawyer and her network can dissect, dilute, and demolish anything they get there greasy, vulture claws on. The View, in my humble misogynist opinion only offers one view, that of a victim society with predators around every corner. They will attempt to manipulate anything to get their 'view' across. But at the end of the day, when they remove the 100 lbs of makeup they wear because they are so liberated, I don't think porn will have anything to worry about. In fact, kudos if mainstream America doesn't want a part in porn, it will allow for more creativity and less trying to become palatable to those who probably have coal mines for genitalia.

Edited by - P-Knuckle on 1/23/2003 1:41:38 PM

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But I do agree that "The View" should make you embarrassed to be a woman.

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I'll never forget the story a family member told me about a local news reporter that was doing investigative journalism on the business she was working at for a national news outfit. He badgered and prodded for four hours until he got his twelve second sound-bite near the end of the fourth hour. Of course, that twelve seconds was enough to make the company look like an uncaring corporate entity overlooking the plight of the three "victims" they rounded up.

Every time I see one of those news pukes I know not to trust them any more than a stock brokerage or most branches of the government. The average porn star has more morals than your typical investigative journalist.

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but you could see from the first 20 seconds it wasn't going to shed us in a good light...

- Pornmaster Mike

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i'm loving how General Motors and stuff is making money off porn! and the suburban couples! whew! i wanna win that contest!

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Max Booty
"If something's hard to do, then its not worth doing."

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Strange.

Wonder if they got permission to use that clip from Fashionistas?

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that may be middle america's feeling but it's not truth! women only do what they allow to be done. it's so wrong for people to think that this entrapaneurialship (sp?)isn't EMPOWERING. independence is not even mentioned .

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But on the bright side, I did see Joey at the very end, sitting behind Nacho, the one highlight of the show.

I really didn't want to watch this, but having met Bella, I would see how this went, and in my opinion, not good.

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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I'm sorry Tricia, I just couldn't resist.

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Yup.

As if porn is the only that coerces or forces you to do things above and beyond what your position calls for, or considers you an expendable resource. People are being prostituted in every industry on this planet, and you can place regulations and laws all over the place but there will always be poor working conditions for some.

It would be interesting to see all the "well paid" researchers and people behind the scenes making ABC and Diane Sawyer rich... As if ABC or any of their parent companies (or CEO) or subsidiaries have never use and abused the poor slobs working beneath them.

Bella has always seemed like a genuinely nice person to me, and if her life is really that miserable because of the choices she made I'll offer her sympathy as she is still a human being, but not because she is some expended teenager run one too many times through the porn wringer. Just as some of my friends and family are human and had to suffer through horrible working conditions based on choices they made.

This should be a busy thread....

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I'd be curious to know how many "Bella" movies will be sold over the next few weeks !
Maybe she's more intelligent than all of us and saw a great opportunity to get a lot of press, and get her "contract"

btw, what's that movie they kept refering as "the movie shot in Prague"

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"If something's hard to do, then its not worth doing."

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Edited by - Pat-Chloe-Fan on 1/23/2003 11:23:30 PM

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I think one point is very valid: Why can't porn performers be unionized and have medical coverage?

And, Belladonna looked cuter than ever!

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Edited by - Pat-Chloe-Fan on 1/23/2003 11:31:22 PM

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Wesley Pipes get his 10 seconds of fame!
And America can sleep easier tonight.

Also, porn is an intense business. Performers are literally putting their asses on the line. What normal human being wouldn't have some ambivalence about it all? Prize fighers, astronauts, soldiers, firemen, EMTs, cops, forensic detectives, 7-11 clerks ... They all put their lives at risk. Some of them get shitty pay. Some of them work in crappy conditions. But it's their choice.

I guess there was some subtle critique of capitalism going on there, but it was all so predictably skewed.

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Edited by - menace on 1/23/2003 11:38:28 PM

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And what was this first scene Bella did where she was seemingly compelled to submit to an unwanted anal? Her clip in Anabolic Initiations was only a blowjob.

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Oh, and Drew, good catch. No, they didn't get permission from anyone to use The Fashionistas clip. Think we've got some money coming to us?

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I know that there are a lot of things wrong with the industry, and I know that there are many women who are mistreated - but that's only part of the picture. I've seen more than enough sex industry positive reports to know that Sawyer's bit was laughingly non-objective.

Except for the bit where Belladonna cries and mentions suicide because of how worthless she feels (and there's no way I'm buying that out of whatever context it was in - besides which, many more mainstream people go through the same things), it was almost bizarre seeing her "happy" reactions juxtaposed with Sawyer's attempts to make everything seem serious and negative.

Even better were the bits with the perfectly normal house mothers next door into sex toys.

And, commentary on its objectivity aside (I won't even go into hardcore vs. erotica which was completely ignored), all throughout it I couldn't help but think about this: <grin>

Edited by - Mythsong on 1/24/2003 12:07:45 AM

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Why the hell did they leave that out of the show? Ex-porno girl makes good as national news anchor. Nah, that'd never fly.

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