Did extreme acts in porn originate from escorts?

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fanman44 Deactivated User 474 Posts 1/13	Posted - Dec 30 2013 : 10:52PM Like in the 70s and 80s. I can't really see most normal women being into DPP, DP, DAP, ATM, even anal at that time, plus porn wasn't widely available, so it was impossible to see. However, if the price was right, I'm sure an escort would let multiple guys have their way with her. Did these acts start with escorts, and then spring into the porn industry? I just dont see how they would have arisen on their own. [mod edit: changed "hookers" to "escorts" in thread title] Edited by - killbillvol69 on Dec 31 2013 [Link]
fanman44 Deactivated User 474 Posts 1/13	Posted - Dec 30 2013 : 11:07PM Also facefucking too. I don't see how that would come about unless an escort started offering that. She gets a reputation more and more chicks start offering it. But it doesn't get big until we see it in porn. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 3:58AM ^ I don't think they originated with escorts , also the acts you mentioned in your first post weren't rare in European Porn at that time , less of all anals and DPs Most likely they originated in amateur stuff [Link]
custards Member 94 Posts 1/08	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 6:47AM fanman44 wrote: Also facefucking too. I don't see how that would come about unless an escort started offering that. She gets a reputation more and more chicks start offering it. But it doesn't get big until we see it in porn. Click to expand Face fucking dates back to at least ancient Rome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrumatio. The Romans did lots of kinky stuff. One thing that hasn't changed, and I doubt ever will, is that if there's a hole some guy some where will stick his dick in it. [Link]
Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 8:46AM Lol, the whores of 18th Century Paris were famous for getting off a dozen men simultaneously - feet, backs of knees, armpits, ears were all employed on a cock. This generation did not invent sex. [Link]

LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 9:10AM I believe the OP didn't want a lecture about the origin of something clearly most ancient , I think he asked for the origin of today depiction , where the hell the porn producers and directors got the idea? Where the hell the general public got the idea to look for? there are the questions basically. [Link]
Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 9:52AM The point is there are libraries full of books on sex acts. The Marquis De Sade, Chinese Pillow Books and the Karma Sutra are natural starting points. You only have to hang out at the local library, not brothels, to get ideas for porn. Today's porn would be a lot better if some of the current producers read a few more books. [Link]
fanman44 Deactivated User 474 Posts 1/13	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 11:11AM LCF wrote: I believe the OP didn't want a lecture about the origin of something clearly most ancient , I think he asked for the origin of today depiction , where the hell the porn producers and directors got the idea? Where the hell the general public got the idea to look for? there are the questions basically. Click to expand Basically. I doubt most of the early porn producers were reading Sade [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 11:44AM fanman44 wrote: LCF wrote: I believe the OP didn't want a lecture about the origin of something clearly most ancient , I think he asked for the origin of today depiction , where the hell the porn producers and directors got the idea? Where the hell the general public got the idea to look for? there are the questions basically. Click to expand Basically. I doubt most of the early porn producers were reading Sade Click to expand Sade didn't invented anything. He just wrote a book on those things. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 11:50AM I think the word 'hooker' expresses bias and prejudice. Because it implies that women of ill repute are tempting pure, innocent men into having debauchery sex with them. This moralizing word implies that having sex for money is bad and that it's the women who are to blame for it. Which is a controversial statement to make, especially in a forum like this. But I can see why some men might want to use this word. They use it as an excuse for their infidelity. Because this word implies that they aren't responsible for it. It's the women who are responsible. In reality, it's the men who usually try to push the limits of women and get them to have wild sex with them. All you need is a bunch of guys who outnumber one pretty lady in a group-sex situation, and some of them won't be patient enough to wait for their turn. DPs, DPPs, and DAPs is something the guys will push their lady to do. She won't need to ask for it or show the men how to do it. Edited by - Dan on 12/31/2013 11:51:51 AM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 12:32PM ^ He implied professional sex workers who would do sexual acts for money compared to others professional sex workers who do sexual acts for money who often do escorting services. In this case hooker just meant the lower level, the cheapest among sexual workers, supposedly the easiest to convince to perform unusual sex acts , not for moral reasons but for just the need for money. I didn't see any moral instance in his post , he didn't compare hookers to nuns but with porn-stars. Hardly a moral ground for comparison Edited by - LCF on 12/31/2013 12:36:34 PM [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 12:39PM ^ The word 'hooker' has a negative connotation, not just in terms of price but in terms of morality too. If you don't mean to say anything about the morality, then you should use some other word and not this one. Because it doesn't make sense to deny the meaning of the word after you say it, rather than just use the right word to begin with. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 12:49PM ^ There, I changed the word "hookers" to "escorts" in the thread title. Now let's move on. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 2:01PM fanman44 wrote: I can't really see most normal women being into DPP, DP, DAP, ATM, even anal at that time, plus porn wasn't widely available, so it was impossible to see. Click to expand Normal is the middle of the Bell Curve. That leaves a lot of people on either side. Humans rule the animal kingdom because we are the most imaginative species in terms of making use of our environment. Ergo, it is easy for me to believe that we can all imagine DPP, DP, DAP, etc. The issue is whether a person is willing to pursue what the mind can imagine. Religion and custom attempt to restrain how people interact with each other, but if that was easy there wouldn't be so many religions or differences in custom. There are plenty of non-conformists out there. Wouldn't those non-conformists be willing to try what they can imagine, even if 'good girls' don't do that? Furthermore, the process of moving from child to adult isn't just physical, it often includes rebellion again the restraints imposed by our parents. Thus, exploring 'taboo' sexual acts may be more commonplace than you think. That doesn't mean you are going to run to your friends and give them a detailed description. You're just as likely to keep it to yourself, which contributes to the idea that this is the generation that invented all these sexual practices. [Link]
fanman44 Deactivated User 474 Posts 1/13	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 8:53PM Dan wrote: I think the word 'hooker' expresses bias and prejudice. Because it implies that women of ill repute are tempting pure, innocent men into having debauchery sex with them. This moralizing word implies that having sex for money is bad and that it's the women who are to blame for it. Which is a controversial statement to make, especially in a forum like this. But I can see why some men might want to use this word. They use it as an excuse for their infidelity. Because this word implies that they aren't responsible for it. It's the women who are responsible. In reality, it's the men who usually try to push the limits of women and get them to have wild sex with them. All you need is a bunch of guys who outnumber one pretty lady in a group-sex situation, and some of them won't be patient enough to wait for their turn. DPs, DPPs, and DAPs is something the guys will push their lady to do. She won't need to ask for it or show the men how to do it. Edited by - Dan on 12/31/2013 11:51:51 AM Click to expand this all makes sense. So if the guys are responsible, is it possible that some escorts were asked to do this, they agreed, and the act blew up? I just dont see where porn directors would get the ideas about this, unless they've experienced it or seen it [Link]

ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 9:12PM fanman44 wrote: I just dont see where porn directors would get the ideas about this, unless they've experienced it or seen it Click to expand Several posts in this thread are saying that those "extreme" acts existed in porn, in books, and in real life. Sure, they were undoubtedly on the fringes, off the beaten path, but they did exist. Why do you presume that a budding porn director would spend his/her formative years just looking at network TV and reading Playboy magazine? I believe that some (many?) of those would-be directors were paying attention to those interestingly-worded ads in the back of the porn magazines, sending for those catalogs of "hard-to-find subjects", discovering what lewd, bizarre, amazing stuff was out there, for a little (or a lot) of extra effort. It "blew up" because a few mainstream producers eventually began including it in their scenes, and then copycats joined the fun, and the customers were buying it, and the rest is history. Edited by - ninja1 on 12/31/2013 9:13:30 PM [Link]
fanman44 Deactivated User 474 Posts 1/13	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 9:41PM ninja1 wrote: fanman44 wrote: I just dont see where porn directors would get the ideas about this, unless they've experienced it or seen it Click to expand Several posts in this thread are saying that those "extreme" acts existed in porn, in books, and in real life. Sure, they were undoubtedly on the fringes, off the beaten path, but they did exist. Why do you presume that a budding porn director would spend his/her formative years just looking at network TV and reading Playboy magazine? I believe that some (many?) of those would-be directors were paying attention to those interestingly-worded ads in the back of the porn magazines, sending for those catalogs of "hard-to-find subjects", discovering what lewd, bizarre, amazing stuff was out there, for a little (or a lot) of extra effort. It "blew up" because a few mainstream producers eventually began including it in their scenes, and then copycats joined the fun, and the customers were buying it, and the rest is history. Edited by - ninja1 on 12/31/2013 9:13:30 PM Click to expand what did the ads say? Also what kind of content could be shown in those catalogs? School a internet porn only fan on this stuff! [Link]
Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Dec 31 2013 : 11:33PM Haha, I was one of those that always sent away for the dirty French and Italian comics advertised in the back of sci-fi and movie magazines - many of which depicted scenes described by de Sade. I also read many Japanese manga comics that depicted the most bizarre sex acts imaginable. You also have very imaginative fellows posting on forums like ADT demanding and goading producers and directors to fulfill their own particular kinks - which are often way out there. The double, triple and quadruple vag and anal scenes being a case in point. Other acts like swirlies and donkey punch just came from the same place that compels certain kids to torture small animals ... [Link]
fanman44 Deactivated User 474 Posts 1/13	Posted - Jan 6 2014 : 9:41PM Cuddly Wombat wrote: Haha, I was one of those that always sent away for the dirty French and Italian comics advertised in the back of sci-fi and movie magazines - many of which depicted scenes described by de Sade. I also read many Japanese manga comics that depicted the most bizarre sex acts imaginable. You also have very imaginative fellows posting on forums like ADT demanding and goading producers and directors to fulfill their own particular kinks - which are often way out there. The double, triple and quadruple vag and anal scenes being a case in point. Other acts like swirlies and donkey punch just came from the same place that compels certain kids to torture small animals ... Click to expand This stuff was around in the 70s? [Link]
Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 7 2014 : 6:02AM ^ Yep, and I am sure there was many different ways to get hold of such material long before they proliferated the back pages of movie magazines and art books. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jan 7 2014 : 1:36PM fanman44 wrote: this all makes sense. So if the guys are responsible, is it possible that some escorts were asked to do this, they agreed, and the act blew up? I just dont see where porn directors would get the ideas about this, unless they've experienced it or seen it Click to expand I don't think it's hard for a guy to imagine Anals, DPS, DPPs, and DAPs for the ladies, even if he hasn't seen this done before. This kind of thing comes naturally as a result of competition, where one porn maker tries to out-do another. Porn makers didn't all of a sudden start filming anals, DPs, DPPs, and DAPs. This kind of thing started gradually and developed over time as a result of competition between porn-makers. In 1970s, vast majority of porn movies were either softcore or pussy-sex only. It was quite a sensation to see a double-penetration. Anal porn became a lot more common and popular in 1980s. Then DPs and no-holes-barred gang-bangs burst onto the scene in the late 1990s and early 2000s. And now it's the age of anal gaping. Guys are no longer satisfied with just riding the ass of the sexy lass. They want to bang the lady's nice ass so wide open that they can go in and out of her as if she has a revolving back-door. This certainly is Mike Adriano's style and that of some other porn-makers. And I'm sure this isn't the end of innovation in porn. The ass-gaping act is becoming a little old now. Pretty soon porn-makers will innovate again and start a new age of porn. In the past, such innovation was often an extreme modification of something that was already popular at that time. Pussy sex followed by anal sex developed into DPs. Pussy-only gang-bangs developed into anal and DP gang-bangs. And mostly anal sex developed into DAPs and anal gaping. [Link]