Maybe this is a bit perverse, but I seriousely think of asking escort girl to just lay down on table and open her pussy wide. I would like to invite friends from bars visit and just aim at her hole with them from about half meter away. It reminds me a bit at early teenage wank-sessions in group, but I also want try to overcome my todays shyness when other male dicks are around. I think I invite 5 good drinking friends and give escort girl as price to fuck to whom hits her pussy deep inside lips most times.
Has anybody done such similar thing? Or seen somewhere?
I have not even seen this on porn film yet! but it sound like lots of trainig-fun.
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Posted - Mar 24 2003 : 8:47AM
Have aready decided and booked escort girl for tonight 8pm (Moscow time). All girls wanted quite much money, because they said so much different cum will land deep in pussy. Will have to pay 2500 Rubles (about 75 $) for 12 hours cum-shot only, no sex even! Well,I booked fairly big titted and bald Natalia finally. Because I know her and she does exactly what I wish usually. Her pussy is quite big,so task is easier a bit. And may friends are more booby-men than me.
Already called my friends. 4 of them agrred on spot. One has to try change theater visit with his girlfriend. Hope he can come too.
Now I will just try not to wank or fuck all day until evening!
I agree. This is a too amazing story. Shameless you seem to be living a fantasy prono life!
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Posted - Mar 25 2003 : 5:40AM
Was maybe mistake to write that. When writing first post, I thought it is only phantasy matrial. I only wanted to see if other porn fans in world share same phantasy. But than idea caught in my head. And I have sworn to myself to always try fulfil my sex-fantasies after getting divorce! So I rang favorite escort agency and booked girl, explaining her exactly what I had in mind. (she already knows my <strange ideas>) We have crazy parties here in this town. Is Russian generation-X youth! All is allowed, all is possible. Maybe it was like this in USA in 1968? (only limit with not foolish people is condom ALWAYS - so not exactly 1968, I sad) Today I am not sure cum-shoot contest was good idea. For film script it could be good, in real life there is also sad part. I think we all drunk and smoked a lot not to feel that. Strange I feel bit dirty today first time. I maybe should not write such things. But good effect was too: I can get rock-hard when other man are around (without viagra). Now I know!
$75 for 12 hours to have strange men jizz all over her? Mind-boggling! You should start making your own porn.
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Posted - Mar 26 2003 : 8:55AM
Remember, we did not film her at all! Not even took fotos.
But I also think price was mistake. Maybe booking secretary understood 2 hours instead of 12. I confess being a bit nervous booking girl that night, because I spoke open about very wish. I am normally not at all shy with booking women or direct escort contact but here was different somehow. But I had tell them because I did not want girl to be at my home and than refuse work or want more money and my maybe angry friends and all fuss.
First I even thought it is high price, because girl must do nothing, just lay there, but now I think I payed not fair price. Anyway, I got big extra-money from Italian business man for translation this morning; and I want to bring another 75 $ to Natalia tonight. Business partner of my brother will come with me, and hopefully decide to book Natalia for night. I told him how she looks and that she is really good submissiv girl and he was very interested. So it will end up in good business for this lovely hooker lady. She did excellent work that night with us and I want her not feel exploited about it. I also think of maybe futur (hopeful!) porn arrangments with her... She trust me, I want trust-basis to grow deeper for maybe future business.
I'm not against the use of escorts, but only when protection is involved. What must this women be thinking to let all these strangers cum over her pussy?
And for such little money, for such a huge risk. (even if it was a mistake)
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Posted - Mar 26 2003 : 8:31PM
Wrote already I felt a bit sorry for her too, morning after. But I can assure you: This girl is doing fine! I have just seen her with this Italian guy, half hour ago. Gave her the 75$ and Italian booked her for all night for 400$. Is good price here, and he only wants protected pussy fuck and sleep beside her in hotel. So: <little money>? She got 150 $ from us for 2 hours and 400 $ for maybe other 2 hours. This is more than 2 months average income in Russia! (earned in just 4 hours!)
Do I feel sorry now? No! She knew exactly what it was about. We paid her fair money. ...and we did not even touch her really!
How does she feel? . <A bit high priced> she said and giggled.
High risk? I fuck girls only with condoms for 4 years now. So do my 4 friends so much I observed at parties. About cousin of friend I dont know. But honest, he behaved like he never fucked even 1 girl.
So calm down my friend...
Edited by - Shameless on 3/26/2003 9:37:19 PM
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Posted - Mar 27 2003 : 4:23AM
Not only over her pussy, but deep down into it and all around up until her beautiful face and golden hair. But, no Shawny, seems nobody else feel sorry.
She got good green $$$$ for just sitting there on sofa chair opening her pussy for a few strangers to aim at. As downtown Moscow escort she takes sometimes dotzens of strangers penetrating there and deep her ass in only one day, too. What shall she think? , I guess.
I give you advice: book finally first escort, Shawny.
Why should we escort customers feel sorry? Its service with set price, nothing more. Convenience for whom is ready to pay it.
Are you sure that $550 is more than two months average income in Russia? Doesn't seem like much at all. If so I'm starting to see why the women do it. Our countries are more different than I ever could have thought! I make more than double that in my summer job per month, and I'm still a student.That you didn't touch her isn't the point, it's that she risked has been placed in huge risk by letting you guys cum over her pussy, I had assumed most escorts would only perform protected sex. As you know from my other post I'm considering using an escort myself, but all I've looked into have only offered protected sex and most insist on protected oral also.Do you not realise that shooting cum at a womens pussy is almost the same as full unprotected sex?
No need to calm down, just trying to understand why this women put herself in this situation, I don't mean to attack you.
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Posted - Mar 28 2003 : 3:14AM
Shawny wrote:...you ask why? MONEY!!!
If you wish stay upset. But try consider facts about Russian ecconomy.
Me, I say, take it bit more easy man!
(and please, finally book yourr own escort girl to get some real life experience...)
I'm not upset! I'm just tyring to understand why this women would you put herself at such high risk, but like you say its the money. I didn't realise how poor people were in Russia, like I said, our countries must be totally opposite.
There is no difference in what you did to unprotected sex, so your argument that you didn't touch her is pointless. The fact is if you or your friends have STDs (not saying you do) she would most likely catch them from this act.
If I ever book an escort it will be for protected sex, protected oral and no kissing. I'm actually starting to wonder if it's a good idea....
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Posted - Mar 28 2003 : 10:31PM
Shawny wrote:It is, Shawny! Dont get uncertain! These are professional girls knowing exactly what they do, knowing all about risk etc.
Fulfill your dreams, Shawny! Mine was silly dream, I know. But after all it was just so much fun watching hthat girls wide open pussy in centre of black stockings just get filled up more and more with cum . Real home-made bukkake at price of half original GGG-tape underground market price here in Moscow! Sure small risk is, but risk was work risk taken by escort girl like every worker. Thats her job! ...and it is still so much wanking fun just to think of her messy holes and glazed, cum-dripping stockings now! Stays very nice picture stay in my head.
Again whatever you might think: NO, I dont feel bad about!!!
...and I dont think you or anybody else should.
But I think you Shawny better not start stright like such example with escort girl. Seems you very idealistic man. Moscow life killed my idealism, but keep yours as long you can. I know 2 nice young Russian girls in England. Write me personal mail, if you want info on their services...
Shawny, what is exactly that makes you think so much? Did I set bad example for you? Did you believe escort girls do escorting because they only love have more sex, not because of money?
I still think escort service is very convenient. Just call, pay, fuck. Since watching porn I use more escorts, partly to try in real what I see in film. Most time it is just so much fun. Escort girls for this are just so much better because they are professionals. They know what preparation is needed before anal sex etc.
Others, who find this tread so fascinating, I like to ask what is it that is so fascinating? Did you never book escort girl for fulfilling fantasy? Especially interested I would be also in answer for Shawnys first question: Feels nobody sorry for these girls? If maybe even sir_comshoter or other outspoken escort-girl users could write, I be lots interested.
I always knew they just did it for money, I'm thinking more from a health point of view. I assumed they would all use protection and be very afraid of catching Aids and other STDs.
The more I look into it this doesn't seem to be the case, and the girls do pretty much anything if the price is right. Which puts them at a very high risk of catching nasty STDs. I would only ever have sex with an escort girl with a condom, but even then I wouldn't be 100% happy that I wasn't going to catch something.
Basically I would rather have the fantasy than make it a reality and risk catching something life threatening.
Let's just forget about the debate on porn actresses are not prostitutes. Do any of you porn fans ever feel "sorry" for the "actresses" in these hardcore films you demand, and spend hundreds, and thousands of £s or $s??
Obviously, like most people, I feel sorry for girls who have been forced into prostution or do it because they have to. But, I've never tried any of the "lower" end of the market escorts, like street girls.
I did book a girl when I was in the far east, and to be honest, I did feel a a bit guilty, as she was doing it partly due to economic reasons. I kept in contact for a bit once I went home, and sent her some cash. Maybe, I'm just naive and she managed to milk me for more money?
However, the majority of escorts I have seen are English high-class hookers, and a few Eastern European porn stars. Although money is a major factor, I'm sure most of the ones I've met love sex. Feel sorry for them?? I feel sorry for myself, some of them are animals!!
Shawny,
If you're afraid of STDs and escorts, well, there is always that risk. But all of the escorts I have ever seen insist on condoms for sex.
I did have sex without a condom once, but it was with an porn actress and we both had a HIV test. I have booked other porn stars, and although they do not use condoms on the films you see, they have insisted I use one (even with a HIV test) becuase I am not a registered model.
Escorts in general are probably more informed about STD's than a drunk one-night-stand girl, you've met in bar.
As for oral and kissing, you can't get HIV.
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Posted - Apr 8 2003 : 11:51AM
Sir, You seem to believe that cheeper prostitutes are more likely to be forced to do that job. Why should it be like this? Me, I tried and still try a wide range of escort girls (from very cheep street walkers to Moscow high class normally Westerner-only escorts) and I dont feel more or less sorry depending on price I pay. These girls are providing a service and a lot of them actually have moved from the street into a brothel into a more high class brothel in a better area of town etc.
So why should I feel sorry for the street walker I picked up just because I drove by and she caught my eye? Just because she charges 20$ for anal and not maybe 50$ like girl in better brothel?
I wonder, however, Sir-cumshotter, wheter you felt sorry for Natalia, we did that cum-shot-contest with. Maybe we did something wrong paying her so little in beginning? Maybe because we used her pussy just as a target...Do you think we should have felt sorry about her?
My mistake. I should have read over what I wrote, and re-phased it better.
Generally speaking, in the UK, from my experience, the girls in the higher end of the market are doing it totally out of their choice. Where as, I have heard of stories, of Albanian gangs forcing Eastern European girls to work in "cheaper" brothels. That is partly the reason why I aviod them.
If I do feel sorry, it's not the price that they charge, that makes me feel sorry. It's whether they have to do it due to unfortunate circumstances, such as being forced into it, drug addiction, financial problems etc. There seems to be a relationship (at least here in the UK), that the lower end of the marker are in this unfortunate circumstance. Not all girls though, just a generalisation.
With regards to Natalia, I have no idea what sort of escort she is. The price you paid is irrelevant. It is all dependent on whether she was forced into doing due to unfortunate circumstances or not. The sex act is also irrelevant.
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Posted - Apr 18 2003 : 10:26AM
Let me just clarify this: Of course me too, I dont want to support Albanian mafia etc. when booking escort girl. Luckily in Moscow I have not met such thing yet.
<forced due to unfortunalte circumstances> is broad expression of possiblities, however. If you take fact that many girls cannot earn as much money with other job as qualifying for <forced due to...>, than yes, I think most escorts girls of Russia are <forced>. But not by mafia of course, just ecconomy. I think lot of girls choose this job because of money in the first place. At least in Russia.
About Natalia I already wrote that she left her mother at age 16. To live independently she started selling her body, to provide sex for shelter, food, cloths, money. I book her quite often and know her quite well, so I know. Natalia worked hard to get from bottom street girl to quite high rank escort with regular tests etc. But while sometimes complaining about <drunken Siberian businessmen> she always stresses how much she loves providing joy to men, how much she loves earning money with her body. Was she forced? What could a girl at her own, aged 16 do end of 90ties in crude hard capitalist Moscow? Work in a shop? Yes - for 40$ a month and sexual harrassement of her boss! So steal, sell drugs, sell her body.
Natalia is professional at what she does meanwhile, she could drop out and settle, but she carries on escorting. I like to book her once in a while. I like to fuck and cum on her. That is the service she provides. That's it basically.
I dont feel sorry; and I dont think those man who pay her right should do so.
Actually, I think, instead of calling us to feel sorry for these girls, Shawny should be greatful there are girls out there selling their body to men. It's the oldest trade and it's a trade to be proud of, not ashamed.
Sir Cumshooter,Surely though, your sorrow is not so much for the prostitution aspect of their lives as for the problems themselves? Would you not feel just as sorry for them if the drug addiction or financial problems had made them homeless or forced them to traffic drugs?
SNP.
Addendum: Trafficking drugs is maybe a bad example to choose in retrospect, but the general point is made.
Prostitution is not quite like any other good or service on the market. Although, it is about sex, it also involves human emotion...thus puts me into more direct contact with a person. I've met drug dealers but it doesn't involve really knowing them in away like escorts.
Edited by - sir_cumshooter on 4/18/2003 6:54:06 PM
I see three decidedly different situations in prostitution (ignoring for the sake of this argument any possible subsets and overlaps):
The situation where someone has options and chooses of his/her own volition to be a prostitute, e.g., someone working his/her way through college.
The situation where because of outside conditions over which the individual has little or no control, a person chooses prostitution as a method of survival (even if there are other methods available which are far less viable in terms of maintaining a standard of living above that of a homeless person), e.g., a single mother choosing prostitution in order to keep a roof over her family's head in an economically depressed area/country/whatever.
The situation where someone is forced into prostitution for the enrichment of someone else - be it black market slavery or a protection scheme perpetrated by a pimp.
In case #1, go for it - the world's oldest profession put to noble use.
In case #2, I have a great deal of sympathy for the person in the situation and consider the choice to be noble on his/her part but I don't consider the situation to be one of which society should approve. Rather, it should be society's role to effect changes in the environment such that this situation does not exist.
In case #3, the bastards perpetrating such crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and their victims - the men or women enslaved - should be helped to find a place in society where they can be productive and hold their own with dignity.
Sometimes I think you Westerners must live in a fairy tale world. Here in Russia most teenagers dont grow up with lots of money at hand, everything secured. This new (capitalist) system brought lot of freedom, but also lot of fight for bread. IMHO, Natalia sure can be proud of her job and herself. She did not turn into a thief, she did not choose to do other people bad things, just because she had a hard time in her youth. She choose to work with her body, to sell sex. And she worked hard since 16 to be independant, to free her from pimps, to be in good escort service. She is independant women doing her job very good. Me as her customer, I sure I am rather rich Russian but I pay her fair price. I accept I buy service, not her love. I buy part-time access to her orifices, not the girl itself. I think I can be more proud as someone wanking off just to idea to book escort girl.
Question about my mother, daughter, sister I just find irrelevant. Most important is that you choose job you like to do, even if situation forces you to work (as is case for almost all people in Russia)- Be it porn actress, escort girl, lorry driver, film cutter or translator. Important is to treat people fair and not look down on them. I dont want judge Shawny, but I think sometimes, he thinks escort girls are not as good persons as he is because of their job. This I dont understand.
I still feel not sorry for Natalia. She is professional having sold us her body to cum-over it. I rather feel sorry for men who dream about fucking escort girls, but feel to ashamed to do so actually. This is sad. This certainly is non-freedom, too.
I'm not so sure it's that good a question. It's certainly a line that's been well used over the years but it is a rather flawed argument. I can tell you that there is no way I would work in an abbattoir but I still eat meat; I couldn't work in a funeral parlour but somebody has to deal with the dead; I wouldn't want my family fishing in the North sea or working down a mine or taking up professional boxing and yet I have enjoyed the labours of all these people over the years. Personally if either of my sisters were escorts my prime concern would be there safety. In fact the sexual aspect would hardly bother me, I just don't find that aspect of the job a problem. My mother would be a slightly different matter, but then again I'm quite sure Shameless manages to afford a bit better (and considerably younger) than my mother
SNP.
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Posted - Apr 19 2003 : 5:16PM
Thanks for introducing normal reasoning again, SNP!!!
Besides: the oldest escort girl I booked was 32, but usually I prefer them 18-24. So not many mothers, anyway.
I hear that the older ladies can be better than the young inexperienced girls. But, give me a pretty 20 year old that is a super-bitch than the greatest grand-mom any day. Is it only me and Shameless that use the services of escorts on this forum?
No we don't live in a fairy tale world! But I suppose to you it may seem that way. I'll admit I'm not poor, which may give me a different perspective on things, but then I'm not rich either.I really don't see how she can proud of the fact that the only way she has to make money is to sell her body, and from the way you described things that's the only choice she has apart from crime.Your going to need to explain that one to me!I don't think it is, as you know I thought about booking an escort a while back and I've since decided against it. Personally I would be very upset if my sister had to become an escort to get by. In fact I would rather work 24 hours a day to provide for her myself than to have her doing it. It's thinking about situations like this that made be decide against booking an escort. As I wouldn't want my family doing it I started to wonder if it was the right thing for me to do, and it turned out it wasn't.I don't think this, but I do wonder how they can choose to sell their bodies rather than do some kind of other job like cleaning toilets. Sure the money wouldn't be as good, but for me I would be lot happier within myself cleaning toilets. I suppose some people don't think like this.It isn't anything to do with freedom and I don't feel ashamed to make a booking, it's just I don't think it's the right thing for me to do. At the end of the day everyone is different and they have different beliefs. I think at the start I was thinking with my cock, but when I started thinking with my head I decided it wasn't the right thing to do. I'm glad I didn't make a booking, I really don't know how I would have felt afterwards.
Escorts are not for everyone, and fair enough it's not for you. But, just out of interest why not?
Personally, as discussed earlier, I prefer to see the girls that go into it becuase they like the job and not due to unfortunate circumstances. Would you have a problem booking a girl that genuinely enjoys it?
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Posted - Apr 21 2003 : 12:40PM
That is a good question, Sir. I guess Shawny prefers to think all escort girls are forced into doing that. In order to keep his negative decision about booking an escort girl valid, I guess.
Well, Me, I think we too often tend to make victims of women doing not average job. But that is just me, enjoying all different sorts of escorts, as long as she does her job well.
Shawny, I do by no means intend to hurt your feelings and I will come back to your long post and many questions as soon as I find more time to think it over. Just keep that discussion alive - you really make me think, too!
Yes, and that's why I haven't made a booking. If I assume the woman is only doing it because she loves sex then I still think about the health risk involved. I suppose I'm over reacting about it, as I would only ever book an escort which insisted on protected sex but then I'd never be sure she wouldn't go without protection for extra money. Even though the risk of catching something is small I keep thinking about it.
I read some reviews at www.punternet.com and the escorts in my area don't seem to do it cos they enjoy it!
So for me prostitution will remain a fantasy. I'd sure like to hear if there others reading this who use escorts who have not posted yet.
sir_cumshooter and shameless, I hope to join your ranks as a regular escort booker, just right now I haven't much money and don't have my own place (still in college).
Why don't you ask your parents for some money and the house to yourself for one night?
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Posted - Apr 25 2003 : 1:57PM
assluvr69, did you not write you get off about 20 % with phone sex. Why not cut it dramatically down and spend the saved money on some real girl(s). I guarantee you: Its so much more fun! And from all the memory you can still wank off yourself silly the rest of the month.
You don't have to tell me what I already know. Of course it's better than both porn and phone sex. As for the memory, I know, I still like to bring back to mind the time I went to Mexico, and that was back in November. As for your suggestion, it's easier said than done. Phone sex is affordable, prices of escorts are in a different league.
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