Just saw this video on efukt (search efukt don't fuck with Gianna if admins remove the link below) http://www.efukt.com/20864_Dont_Fuck_With_Gianna.html I found it unbelievable that an awesome star like Steve holmes would come to blows with someone as hot as Gianna. Does this happen frequently during porn shoots?
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Kaminsky Deactivated User
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Posted - May 2 2011 : 4:39PM
That wasn't really a fight. It was just some slap play that got overzealous Gianna is not a little girl, she is almost six feet tall. When she slaps someone like that it will hurt Steve probably was surprised by that so he instinctively slapped hard too It looks like they cooled it and got back in character pretty quick The theme of the scene was rough play so I guess it is to be expected some limits are tested But as to your question, yes sometimes real fights happen on set. There is a lot of ego and attitude involved in the porn world, a lot of bitchiness and politics and drama. Sometimes even veteran performers have bad days or frazzled emotions or issues I remember seeing behind-the-scenes footage for a scene with Rita Faltoyano, who has done hundreds of scenes For whatever reason, she did not like how one of her male performers was holding her leg So she kicked at him suddenly in violent irritation. She was wearing high heels so it could caused quite an injury The male performer took great offense to that, and rightfully so. He stopped the scene and told her not to mess with him or he'd fuck her up She tried to act like nothing was wrong, but the kick definitely happened Rita is a porn veteran, she has done all kinds of different scenes all over the world. But on that particular day at that particular moment she lost her temper. So you see it can happen
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Posted - May 2 2011 : 4:49PM
Well it turn out that Rita Faltoyano footage is also on that website you gave Efukt link That is a bad site, it seems to take glee in the ugliest aspects of the porn industry Edited by - Kaminsky on 5/2/2011 4:50:10 PM
I get the impression, and I could be wrong, that the women in porn are not to be fucked with. I think that is one of the reasons, among many, that I find them so freaking hot.
I say good job Mr. Holmes! If a chick wants to hit then she deserves to be hit in return. Sorry but she assaulted him first and she deserved it. No man should have to be hit by anyone and not expect the same treatment in return. And after watching that he lost your respect but he gained even more of mine! Don't take no shit from no one. Yes not even a girl.
If that's how you feel then you must hate Rocco, Manuel, and Nacho. The difference in this scene is that you have two dominant performers which is uncommon. Gianna and Steve have done many hot scenes since so it was nothing either of them was unwilling to do. It really sounded worst than it really was. Now the Kylie Ireland scene is another story. Pure meltdown. I felt so sorry for Keeani.
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Posted - May 3 2011 : 1:01PM
I suspect it happens from time to time but rarely would a director show it and it is rare. If you want to see a real fight track down the Hustler studio title “Barely Legal on Vacation #1”. In the extras section, titled “Trouble in Paradise”, there is a couple minutes of a fight on set. A tall blonde slapped one of the guys and he slapped her back. Mariah is in the middle of it yelling at the guy who slapped the girl saying you can’t hit a girl. The guy replies, “if I get hit, I hit back”. Then the guy’s girlfriend, attacks the girl who hit first and we have two blondes fighting. It’s only a minute or two of footage, surprised the director included it on this title.
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Posted - May 3 2011 : 3:22PM
The Gianna slapfest looked like they were both into it. Check out the Kylie Ireland clip.
I gotta agree with the Dude here. Plus, I don't like absolutes-like "Never hit a woman". I once almost got in a fight with a Bertha in a bar (a "Bertha" is a huge, fat, woman who may weigh as much as 2x you and is packed with testosterone with not a hint of femininity past long hair). She was up in my grill like a man, she was poking me in the chest like a man, talking trash like a man-I was ready to deck her, literally, one punch, see you tomorrow style deck her. Fortunately I talked her down off her suicide mission, but I question if any man in the place would have given me any chivalry objection. And Gianna is obviously very tough, both looked like hard slaps to me. I would much rather be punched than slapped-a punch really doesn't hurt unless they break something (like the nose I assume), just gets kind of warm, and like a "in shock" feeling. A slap fucking hurts, stings for several minutes. I'd rather take the high road as a man, but if a girl is going ballistic, maybe she needs her brain rattled a little.
Also, the only real fights I've seen are in the "bloopers" dvds of JM Productions. There are ones where girls are freaking out and hitting a dude, or about to clobber the camera man for continuing to roll. There's another scene from one of the Bukkake movies where two dudes get into a real fight over who knows what. But it's pretty funny watching the black dude backing up as he knows he's gonna fight, as he puts his dick away and pulls up his pants and then delivers a decent hook to the other guy lol.
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Posted - May 4 2011 : 2:01AM
It was Keaanie Lei or however it's spelled. Read back on Kylie's main thread as she described it a while ago. Basically, they were doing an all girl dog pile type of scene and Keaanie started spitting champagne into Kylie's pussy. Since Kylie is clean and sober, she went ballistic on Keannie, and rightly so. On the clip mentioned, it shows Kylie going off on Keaanie. There was also another clip on that same site about the BTS/outtakes at a Bukakke. Also very funny. Edited by - rosco fuji on 5/4/2011 2:03:19 AM
I don't have this flick to confirm, but I recall seeing a trailer for the Violation of Tory Lane. In the midst of all the pushme/pullyou scene all of a sudden Tory went off. Maybe someone who has seen the flick can fill in the gaps.
I wonder why she hit him so hard? it looked like she had some hate in that hit. Can't blame him for retaliating. It was out of shock and is a self defence mechanism to react by hitting back.
Maybe, it kind of looked staged to me, he seemed prime to strike back before she smacked him... but it was clearly Gianna that cried "uncle" in the exchange lol. Either way that girl not only has huge, amazing tits, but she can take a hit too. Edited by - seedfeeder on 5/4/2011 8:20:06 PM
The Gianna clip was merely some questionable boundaries that both performers quickly resolved (Gianna being more than capable of taking care of herself). The Rita scene I found far more disturbing. She was clearly frustrated and merely thrashed her legs with no intention of harm AFAICT. She then skillfully plays victim and manages to diffuse the situation. Gianna and Rita are A-grade performers, and it saddens me that they have to put up with this shit.
i feel so old fashioned and im only 33 lol but seeing that Gianna scene is soooo not what i want to see in porn i HATE all the rough scenes, i mean i like hard sex but slapping and the like ( to quote Jack Horner) its just not sexy! Gianna is a goddess to me, fuck..if i was on set i think i would of layed into that guy No matter what others say, i was raised to never ever hit a woman. Like someone else said, i have been in situations where i wanted to so bad, a drunken wench pushing me, poking me , hitting me even through beer on me but im 6ft3 105 kilos....i would go to jail for even pushing back.. cant do it not even a slap. if he didnt want to be slapped he shouldnt of asked for it he got what he asked for so deal with it not slap back
"old fashioned" isn't the right term, I'd say it's more like "out dated". The whole concept here of "don't hit women", or "women don't go to war", or "walk on the outside if walking a woman down the street" etc... is very outdated. Back in the old days, women were more valued as it only takes one man to keep a population going, but you need a slew of women. That women are weaker, that women are stupid, that women are property and so forth. It's not the case anymore. If a father walks a woman down the aisle to be wed, he's not just following tradition, he's encouraging the outdated concept that she's his property, and not just that, but a liability to be gotten rid of (thus the dowry-paying someone to take this extra, worthless mouth off his hands). It's ridiculous to offer women fair rights in the workplace, in court, in voting, in offices, etc. But then not offer them the same liabilities that men have always had: Being in danger, including fights, walking down the street, going to war, etc. They should have all those same liabilities if they want the benefits of the former "man's world". It's a simple issue of equity to me. Ask yourself this-so let's say they are the weaker sex.... and if that's the reason we shouldn't hit them back... well, then by that logic, you shouldn't hit a man that's not in your weight division, and you should be able to hit a big woman, certainly if she outweighs you! I'm against violence in general, but I'm definitely in favor of equity for all. But again, if women want to be treated like men, they can't pick and choose what that means (nor can you)-they should get the whole package, except for the jock straps and condoms, period. So if you're old fashioned-you also better treat them like they can't think, expect them not to talk in church or mixed conversation (only among women or when spoken to), expect money to be too complex for them, don't argue they have a right to property, or voting, or office and so forth. Be consistent. So either recognize they have equal rights-which means equal opportunities AND equal liabilities or be misogynistic all the way.
Ah - one more thing about that dowry issue-see, it still remains: WHO pays for the wedding these days traditionally; who is expected to pay??? The bride's family-that my friends is the remnant of a dowry in this "modern society"... These outdated concepts need to be stamped out of the culture for a true new culture to emerge. Any trace of sexism or male chauvinism or this misogyny need to be eradicated if women are to truly have equality with men. This INCLUDES stupid shit like opening doors for them, or pulling a chair out, or walking them down the aisle with some man in a dress saying "who gives this woman away?", and also that we (men) cannot hit a woman-it's all part of the misogyny of the West, from Aristotle saying women are "natural deformities" or lesser versions of men to all that crap in the bible that really held them back for centuries to the men of today's society as well as the women of today's society. If women really knew what was behind all this crap, they'd be offended when you pulled their chairs out, they'd be offended if you held the door open if you didn't do it for a man and so on. And as long as those same women will go to war and fight along side the men, I have nothing but respect and admiration for them. True respect for women is to give them all the respect you'd give a man-including striking back if they think they can hit you :)
Yep! I personally have never hit a woman, and probably never will. But it does seem kind of silly to change all of the old gender roles, but only in ways that are good for woman and bad for men, lol. I mean, come on, a woman can do all the same things in society that a man can do now (Which I think is great) yet if she hits someone, she has having female parts as a shield against getting hit back? I'm all for not hitting a woman (unless maybe its a part of sex that the woman herself enjoys) but if she hits someone and she gets hit back, I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for her. She should have never got violent in the first place.
@seedfeeder: You raise lots of logical points, especially with religion and marriage. But I think western culture has moved beyond gender equality implying that women should make up 50% of our armed forces before women are considered equal. It is better to think of feminism as equal opportunity. If a woman wants to join the armed forces, then her gender should not bias any judgement about her ability to do so. Even with equal opportunity, differences between the sexes is going to manifest itself in different proportions of a gender in one industry or the other. Viva la difference. @thedude008: You are a lost cause.
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Posted - May 6 2011 : 4:16AM
"merely" thrashed her legs? She was wearing stiletto heels, she could have easily put out the guy's eye or caused other bad injury. There is no excuse for that Why was she frustrated? Why did she lash out physically like that? It was unprofessional. If a male performer did that to a girl she would have every right to stop the scene and tell him what is what. I do believe women in porn should be treated with respect, but you know the old saying... Respect is a two way street.
i dont think not wanting to hit a woman is outdated. in fact, if you hit a woman where im from you better be ready for an ass kicking as every one in the venue is going to beat the shit out of you if you do. even the cops have seen that once. a woman yelling in the guys face the police stood back watched letting her vent she pushed him several times, last time he snapped and pushed her face away hard...BAMN police layed into him. Dont have to like what a womand does, for example i would of been real pissed off at Rita in that scene if she did that to me, i would never ever ever hit her tho.
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Posted - May 6 2011 : 5:34AM
There's a big difference between hitting a woman in a rough sex or S&M scene (like the scene in the question) and hitting a woman in real life. Those who can't tell the difference are nuts.
And in some cultures women have no rights and you can kill them for cheating or subordination... what's your point? I raised a logical argument, that means you need a logical rebuttal to dispute it.
I'm with you to a certain extent. I don't hit woman, and am generally opposed to it. But if a woman hits a man and he hits her back, I don't feel bad for her at all. She shouldn't have started the violence. That being said, I don't think that is really what happened in the Gianna scene. It just got too intense for a moment, but no big deal.
Checkout Jim Power's "Porn's Most Outrageous Outtakes" series and you will see a lot of BTS fights between women and men. Especially fights between the women on the sets of his "Violation of .." series movies.
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Posted - May 9 2011 : 8:15PM
Er... this was part of a scene in Belladonna's 'Manhandled', correct? That being the case, it's a clip taken out of context. Rough/near-the-knuckle sex is what Belladonna specialises in, and in this case, specifically called for. To me, they're just doing the jobs they were consensually hired to do. I doubt you'd see the same events happen between the performers if it would have been a Wicked or Adam & Eve film, for instance.
There should really be a better example of fighting and conflict than a Gianna or Steve Holmes scene. I watched that dvd a long time before this thread was started and found it hot. Gianna is such an amazon, that she intimidates most men, and it takes a real man to fuck her. Frankly, for performers like her and Tory Lane, I prefer a gangbang or at least a big, well hung guy, to find the scene interesting. I would never hit a woman, whether she hit me or not. And trust, me, I've been whacked pretty good. Call me old fashioned, or whatever, but I just think it's dead wrong. Rough sex and slapping is a completely different thing. Gianna is cocky and full of bravado for a reason. I hardly think either of these two would describe the situation as *coming to blows* Steve Holmes used to comment on here quite a bit. Maybe he'll chime in. As for Gianna, I'd be more than happy to let her slap the shit out of me, if I could get the same reward Holmes did. I ain't scurrred.
