Some will say hes just being SMART . Hes french . He has that french business flair . He will probably say he doesnt need your money but recognition for his work . Hes an artist because according to him he sees porn as a form of ART . He was a director for realitykings producing some great contents for them like realityboss , one of my favourite site . He has vision . He likes things to be done in a good way sometimes perfect . Then after mindgeek takeover he left to produce his own content . He created 3 sites - Vixen , Tushy and Blacked . It was a rapid success . Lots of members etc etc well A success story . But What i dont like is his new additional sites , THE RAW THING - IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME SITE THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE !!!!!!!!! FOR ME ITS A SORT OF SCAM < CHEAT < . Its the same thing , Nothing new . He just changed the name . What NEXT VIXEN RAW LMFAO ? He could produce the same content on existing scenes . The raw meant to be more hardcore , a little bit of gonzo . real sex between 2 random people met . Without RAW LOL its just more sensual , erotic , slow fucking . But its exactly the same porn u are watching . Same guys same girls .
In a way, the RAW sites require less production as well. They've done a lot of group scenes, but other than that doesn't really appeal to me - in no way is it a scam, yes it is nearly exactly the same but you're still getting more content. I'm surprised he didn't go for more niche sites (Teen (there is a market for his approach + a bit of casting/photoshoot intro or the way Bang's Pretty & Raw series is) instead of the RAW sites. I would've personally preferred a site that links the "Angel" approach and photoshoots, showcasing gorgeous-model-level women (which is quite common through Vixen and a lot of his work) going from photoshoots to sex/porn. I personally only sub to Vixen & Tushy, so far I haven't been rushing to log in all year. I've just watched the odd Kenna scene and thats about it. There used to be a lot of exclusives of new girls, but it seems more Euro talent has been used lately.
Exactly the same? I don't think so. Blacked Raw is a variation of Blacked in terms of how it's shot (mainly without ambient lighting) and with much less of a story in each scene. It's similar but being similar is not the same. By your rationale any movie sequel is "exactly" the same as that before it or all of the movies in a cinematic universe are the same. That's like saying McDonald's is similar to Burger King therefore it is exactly the same. For something to be a scam, something has to be offered and sold to you under a pretense of being vastly superior to the product or service you receive. I don't think that's the case as the trailers are pretty generous and give you a good idea of what you'd be paying for. Seeing that I don't think there's any misrepresentation after the paywall, I don't think there's a scam. Perhaps you had vastly different or dare I say unrealistic and unreasonable expectations of what the Raw sites would be like and calling it a scam or rip off is how you cope with those unrealistic expectations not being met?
he could put the same content hes doing for raw sites on existing ones original sites . that was my point . its marketing to fool people . If you like to subscribe , spend money on same content . fine do it . but u are being fooled . what next ??? vixen raw ?? u need to subscribe to 5 sites now . !!!!!!! tushy , blacked , vixen , blacked raw , tushy raw . same shit !!! just the name which has changed .
^ I order for it to be a scam, wouldn't he have to limit the output on the other sites, so that you were forced to join the next site to get the same amount of scenes? That's not the case, unless you're under the impression the existing sites' value is lessened, because talent is spread out on all the sites...
Ugh, definitely not the same, I find Tushy very boring with what I call more softcore anal, and Tushy Raw is more hardcore anal with gaping. Lighting too, anyone with eyes can see the difference. [o\|][o\|] Edited by - shark1 on 12/9/2018 11:56:54 AM
As someone who has subscribed to all of the Lansky sites many times I in no way feel 'ripped off' by him. All of his sites have exclusive scenes not found on any of his other sites.
As much as I would like to add something to this thread. The only thing I feel about it is that we really don't need another Lansky thread. How about posting this in the Tushy Raw thread since it's mostly about his new site.
I'm not sure about the purpose of this thread, I mean do you want us to unsubscribe? Also I don't remember any gang bang on Blacked , but there are a couple on Blacked Raw , it's a complete different style especially because while on blacked there's a story, a plot a set up, on blacked Raw there's non just right to the sex nothing else except for a very few scenes. more than that Blacked raw much to my dismay has plenty of rimming which is something I don't like AT ALL. I'm not a member of tushy and obviously I'm not a member of tushy raw either I can't say anything about those
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Posted - Dec 10 2018 : 12:12AM
It's not a rip-off if you don't like it from the very beginning and you never purchase a membership for it, as is the case with me. As I've said repeatedly in regards to both "Raw" sites, I think the lighting they use to film the sex is just plain awful. I don't get the appeal of this "spotlight sex," it looks terrible to me, but it obviously appeals to a lot of people.
^ Exactly, still more content and I guess its just a little more gonzo. I have to agree, the spotlight is just plain annoying and personally, I'd rather see color corrected scenes without the bright white light like the original sites.
Something is only ever a scam if you're tricked into handing over money for it. Here, you know what you're getting and you buy it or you don't.
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Posted - Dec 10 2018 : 2:28PM
It's bizarro Tushy and bizarro Blacked. That said, no one is forcing anyone to join. IMO Lansky's direction sucks, but no one is putting a gun to peoples heads, and forcing them to sign up. Edited by - FlacFan on 12/29/2018 1:44:25 AM
Yep, I love the lighting in these scenes, really brings out the flesh tones as opposed to say Legalporno, where scenes are always filmed in a white, sterile environment.
I don't subscribe to any of the Lansky sites but I've bought a few of the DVDs and I've seen previews of various scenes. I don't think his studios/sites are alike because they each offer different things/fetishes. But...I can see where someone who chooses to just look at certain aspects of them might decide that it's all the same. Lansky has found success by using a certain style that many people seem to like and respond to. Quite frankly, it would be stupid for him to not capitalize on that success with more sites and not to carry over some of that style to those sites. I think the BLACKED scenes are very well done. They offer interracial scenes done in a quality way that no one else was offering at the time and perhaps still can't duplicate. Apparently, there was an audience for that and he supplied it. With TUSHY he offered all anal sex in a high quality way for those who are into watching anal scenes. Since there are a lot of great girls out there who don't do anal but fans would love to see get the Lansky treatment he created VIXEN. BLACKEDRAW is a stripped down stylistic IR site that offers IR without so much backstory pretty locations. I know some people don't like the lighting and/or the way it's shot but it's not made to be liked by everyone. It's a specific look and feel that isn't trying to look like typical porn or appeal to every fan. I think each Lansky site offers something different for fan tastes. I guess I could understand a fan wishing they were all under one site instead of different ones but from a business standpoint it's better to be separate. Besides, if all these were under one site you'd still have some fans bitching they aren't getting enough of whatever they want and complaining about they're doing too much of what they don't want. So pick the site/sites that have to most appeal to you and don't worry about what the other sites are doing. And try to remember the porn world doesn't revolve around what every individual wants. They have to appeal to the masses...who may want different things.
^ I wouldn't want to have all his sites under one main site because the price would be significantly higher and I have never joined Vixen or Blacked Raw and I probably never will so paying for those two sites would just be wasting money. Kink did that but they also stopped updating each site on a weekly basis and one could argue that the quality of their porn as suffered greatly in recent years because they have less money coming in to their bank account.
Yes and no. Compared to RealityKings or Brazzers where you may get a few new scenes a week, then yes. Combining all the content on one site at at a competitive price would be more friendly for the average consumer. On the other hand, the new sites haven't cannibalized the content of his other sites. If Blacked and Tushy started producing a new scene every month, instead of every week then there'd be cause for concern. Having said that, he's consistently offered his customers something new and unique and he's collected many pornstars' anal or interracial cherries. For that we can be thankful. However, the porn-buying market will ultimately decide whether he is offering good value and at the moment they seem to be OK with his artistic and business model.
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Posted - Dec 29 2018 : 2:58AM
It's not a scam at all. Just because the content doesn't appeal to you, doesn't make it a scam. Now personally, I think Lansky would be better off differentiating his content in some other way. The "raw" look with the terrible lighting is not something I'm going to pay for. But, you know, he's a very capable guy and knows his business, and it's not like I have to subscribe if I don't want to. Honestly, my preference would be a site that is less glam and soft lighting - maybe do glossy 60 fps, focusing on tight bodied teens, but more hardcore and less luvvy duvvy than the other sites. There's nothing especially original in that, but I think Lansky could do it better than most.
^ I hear you. Too many people want to play victim through an appeal to emotion. When something doesn't appeal to them or meet unrealistic expectations they set, calling it a scam sounds much "better" than saying they willingly paid for something that was representative of what was shown in previews but didn't like it because they can't wave the victim card with the reality of the situation. This mentality of claiming victimhood undermines the actual cases where people are sold a product or service under false pretenses i.e. real victims of scamming. Edited by - AngryPirate on 12/29/2018 11:30:53 AM
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Posted - Dec 30 2018 : 1:34AM
Nah, I'd rather just pay for - and contribute to - the sites that I actually like: Blacked, Tushy and Vixen. I don't want to be paying for this "RAW" crap. By the way, I've always been annoyed by the title of this thread. It's not grammatically correct, it should be something like: Do you consider Greg Lansky's "RAW" sites a rip-off?
Hmmm...I always find it interesting how many people hate BLACKEDRAW. For me it's my fav of his sites. I don't actually subscribe to any of his sites but I like the RAW scenes and usually buy the DVDs when they come out. I find the RAW scenes sexier and edgier than his other studio stuff.
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Posted - Dec 30 2018 : 10:29AM
Nope other sites do this as well Naughty America Teamskeet Bangbros Score Just to name a few.
At the end of the day all his sites are overpriced, even If I like a lot of the content. Paying the regular 30 bucks a month for 6 videos is just a total rip off, and I peronally only sub for the 10 dollar sales here and there. Okay I get it that creating just one network with all this content would be dumb for him, considering this seems to be working out well, but at least give something to your fans by oh I don't know, HAVING 2 RELEASES PER WEEK ON BLACKED AND TUSHY WITH ONE REGULAR AND ONE AFTER DARK RAW SCENE, instead of creating a whole other site for a variation on that blacked and tushy formula.
How exactly do you consider it "ripping you off"? Ive learned to read the reviews and comments on thebestporn, rabbitreviews, etc. People will point out true scams and rip offs if your accusations have merit.
I subscribe to all his sites except TushyRaw (that site is just terrible) and yeah, I realize they are overpriced, but the latest hottest girls are all shooting for him now (some even exclusively) so I guess he can charge whatever he wants and becomes as lazy and uncreative as possible with plots/ settings/ male talents/ new sites, and we'll all just suck it up and pay. In any industry, competition is good for the consumers like us. Too much money and power in one company's hand not so good ... Fair play to him for getting to where he is in the first place though.
If you're paying the 30 buck a month for six scenes ,sure, but you have about 50 times a year to get everything on one site for less than 10 bucks. So it ain't like they're not giving you a chance to get everything for dirt cheap. Someone could join Blacked today and get over 300 scenes for less than 10 dollars. Not bad of a deal if you ask me. I've had a sub for all four sites at one point but now just Blacked and BlackedRaw(and while both have been great, I've probably preferred RAW more than the original)
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Posted - Dec 30 2018 : 4:54PM
It'll be interesting to see what Lansky does in 2019. I've always been interested in the business side of porn and like I said in my earlier comment, I think he's a smart guy that knows his business. My best guess is that he's at the point now where all of these different sites are likely cannibalizing each other. Even for people that are interested in all of his content, I can't see that many would choose to subscribe to all of them at the same time. So people will pick and choose, waiting for the $9.99 offers and then just subbing to the one or two sites that they're most interested in. I wonder how closely he looks at his numbers and sees the churn of members from one site to the next. At some point, he may realize the churn is losing him money and then maybe we'll see offers for one-time upgrades, where for instance a Tushy subscriber could pay x amount to tack on Blacked.com content to his current subscription, or vice-versa. As for the two "raw" sites, I think he would have been better off with just one site, but not necessarily making it just "interracial raw" or "anal sex raw", but more broad in terms of genre categorization.
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Posted - Dec 31 2018 : 10:41AM
For what it's worth if you type "name of pornsite" deal/discount into Google quite a few discount sites come up (Freeones is the best) and most any pornsite can be had for one month for under $20...most for $10-15. They say the deals expire, but they really don't. Once the ticker runs out, it just starts over...sometimes with a better deal. Lot of things that I think porn producers/companies do wrong, but pricing for internet content isn't one of them. Some of us can remember paying $30-$60 for VHS/DVD movies not that long ago. Movies with only 5-6 scenes and sometimes you just had pray that the girl on the cover was actually in the freaking movie . Heck, even renting porn was not cheap. $5-10 a movie and many places made you pay a deposit.
If I am to answer the question posed by the title then I have not considered being ripped off by Lansky. Mostly because he hasn't asked if he could rip me off but if he did ask, I would not consider it.
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I find the sex on Blacked and Blacked RAW usually quite good which is the main thing in gonzo porn.
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That's what I do, I essentially rotate between the three I like: Blacked, Tushy, Vixen. With just 6 scenes per month for each site, it's not like I'm missing out on a ton if I go 2-3 months between subscriptions for one site. Right now, my Blacked membership just came to an end so I'll be purchasing a Vixen membership later today before this Holiday Sale ends; it'll actually be the first time since August that I have a Vixen membership. Tushy's actually the one I've been holding out on for a long time, I haven't had a membership to that one since May. Frankly, between Vixen and Tushy, the main reason why I haven't been a member for such a long time is because they haven't really put out much that has REALLY excited me.
Me too. I cycle through a lot of subscriptions over a period of time. I don't know of any sites I'm subscribed to where content is phased out every few months so I'm just patient with my subs.
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Posted - Jan 1 2019 : 6:23AM
And so I'm sure you can easily imagine how customers might rotate away from his content altogether, and maybe not come back for some time. That's why I think, eventually, it will make more sense for him to create incentives for people to remain paying customers month after month and year after year. Even if I'm only paying 9.99 per month for Tushy, the ballgame really is about keeping that small amount coming indefinitely, which is why I think one-time upgrade deals make sense. So long as the upgrade is tied to the main subscription, the consumer is incentivized to keep that main subscription going.
Never been into Lansky's sites at all. Just not my preference. I hate how he keeps girls from shooting content for other studios/directors, under the guise of "exclusive contracts". Kendra Sunderland being the biggest example. Her being locked down by Lansky is a huge loss for fans...Abigail Mac's recent Tushy showcase is another slap in the face. She's a great performer, and would be higher up my list if she were "allowed" to shoot anal for other companies. He did the same thing with Lana Rhoades...however she was able to break free and produce some much better scenes for other studios. I can't wait for his run to be over personally.
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I get that mentality, but there are some sites I support continuously (BurningAngel, Wicked, Teamskeet) even if I don't watch anything that month. No different than Netflix Hulu etc. And as I posted above, major sites can had at around $10-20.. mostly $15.
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They've got a scam going where if you used to be a member and you return to their website, they have things rigged where if you click on the wrong thing you instantly reactivate your account. Fortunately, the credit card they have on file for me has been deactivated. Seems someone stole the number and tried to use it. Hmmm. Coincidence? I doubt it. And these people wonder why people steal porn.
^ Do you have a screenshot of that page or are you exaggerating like you did in that old topic that was dug up not so long ago where you played victim to your lack of attention albeit to a shoddy practice?
