So I'm watching Adriano's Black Anal Beauties, and the chicks are gorgeous, and the whole thing is outstanding porn. Just superb. A white dude fucking a black beauty in the butt. Then I realize, I don't like it anywhere near as much when a black dude is fucking a white chick in the ass. Does this make me a racist, since I love the black chicks, but not the dudes? Or a racist/sexist because I don't like the dudes only? Or is it just a matter of the aesthetics, where the white prick is more visable in the black butt? Or am I just a specific type of perv? Anyone else prefer wm/bf to bm/wf?
It's probably this one. It doesn't seem like you're racist. I'm guessing by the language in your post ("I love the black chicks, but not the dudes") that you're not black. So it probably means you just like watching guys that look a bit more like you getting it on with hot chicks. I'm black, and I prefer watching black dudes with hot chicks (regardless of their colour) because the dudes look a bit more like me. That doesn't mean I don't watch scenes with white dudes; I watch tons of them. But if given a choice between watching hot girl X doing a scene with a white guy and a black guy, if everything else in the scene seems equal (production values, the outfit on the girl, both guys are good performers, sex acts are the same, etc.), I'll choose the one with the black guy. It sounds like you're the same way but with white dudes. Sounds fairly normal actually.
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^ I think it makes you a White guy that likes Black girls Goldstein's theory is that, straight males could care less about the race/ethnicity of females they find attractive, and tend to see "IR" porn from the perspective of the color of their own cocks. Ergo, Goldstein tends to prefer White guys fucking the girls. Significantly, the top studs "transcend" the typical racial distinctions. Guys like Lex and Mandingo are top studs (not merely top Black studs). In other words, who cares what the racial distinctions are when we are talking about the top performers, male and/or female? -- I don't. So, as a rule, I don't seek out Black cock/White girl porn just because it is BM/WF -- the IR component holds no special allure for me. On the other hand, I don't avoid it either -- when the performers make it worth my interest to watch. On a related note, any kind of derogatory racial stereotyping and/or set-ups is a total turn-off, as far as I'm concerned.
I like the black chicks too but not the dudes either! I love to watch black chicks take multiple white cocks! I'm not into the black dudes cuz I'm not a black dude. I like to imagine I'm fucking the girls when I watch and the major color difference doesn't allow me to do that. I loved how dirty Jada Fire used to get. Marie Luv was dirty too but I couldn't get into her muscular body.
I've always liked IR porn whether it was a BM/WF or a WM/BF. As long as the sex is hot and there is good chemistry between the players than I'm happy. About the only thing that I haven't seen a lot of is BM/BF. I know there were quite a lot of series in the 90's that featured an all black cast but are there still many done these days. I haven't seen too many in the last decade.
I'm lighter skinned. I prefer watching lighter skinned men with women of any color/ethnicity. It allows for better immersion into the scene. I am not interested in watching other men have sex with women, I am interested in the fantasy of sex with a particular woman that I find attractive. I actually find it jarring when the guy is ghostly white as well.
My main requirements for the guy is that he be a good performer, is non-annoying, and has a good-sized fully functional low-maintenance cock. There are so few guys who meet these criteria that there isn't room to be finicky about race or skin color.
There's another difference between BM/WF and WM/BF...The stupid directors don't seem to make the black women act as stereotypically stupid as they do the black men. I'm also a black guy, and like to see a guy who looks closer to me, but also acts closer to me. I think the ability to be themselves, not act out some stereotype is another thing that makes the top black studs transcend race. Of course, that may be just an interesting chicken-and-egg argument there... Plus, there's a bit of casting and focus that come into play. Since black guys are supposed to have big cocks, the movies with BM/WF seem to feature really thick cock as a standard, more dependably than with white guys. Maybe this makes me a special kind of perv too, lol, but thickness makes a huge difference in how much I enjoy an anal scene in particular. Just on a slightly different note, my recent ex is white and stuff like this would come up, size, skin color, all that. Maybe life experiences come into play too. There's something attractive about the skin contrast to me. And that makes both BM/WF and WM/BF really enjoyable to me. That being said, I don't think I enjoy one over the other. I just really like all of it. I came across a scene where Jada Fire took on three white guys, DPs creampies, everything. Hot. Kiwi Sweet had an all white guy gangbang, DPP and the like. Hot. I can't count the amount of hot scenes with a white girl and multiple black guys I've loved. But on the same note, Katie St. Ives has a few scenes like, ummm, 'Evil Anal' IIRC, where she takes a giant white guy in the ass and it's one of the best things I've ever seen...
Oh, and since this thread is IR, but off to such a good start, it's making me confuzzled. Can I just go ahead and call someone a racist? LOL...
^My interpretation of a "low-maintenance cock" is a cock that can reach a level of cleanliness of the royal standard when using the cheapest of the cheapest cleaning products on the market.
A low-maintenance cock gets hard and stays hard and functions as intended without the need for frequent intervention. A high-maintenance cock requires constant spanking, gripping, slapping, and/or constantly interrupting the fucking (thinly disguised as BJ) to try to revive it.
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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 11:31AM
Do you feel differently about BF/WM than WF/BM I/R?
Yes, I prefer Black females in general. If the hypothetical BF and WF are equally attractive to me, and the BM and the WM are equally debaucherous, it does not matter. Also, it does not matter to me that members of two different races are having sex.
I don't mind at all I'm usually focused on girls , the man has rarely any importance with very few exceptions mostly because there are some male performers I really can't stand , I'm not putting names here , but there are some who make me leave the movie on his shelf. I can watch anything , well almost, I can watch Black males on White girls or white males on black girls two of my all times favorites Midori and Monique did plenty of IR , But I watched at them in some all black situations , really I don't mind at all who is the stud I like kissers though, that means I prefer Sean Michaels more than many white guys who don't kiss at all, too mechanical , fucking robots I may say, Sean is different and I like his way , I do the same , it is much easier for me to identify with him although he's black and I'm white. He does exactly the same thing I would do. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 1/16/2012 3:27:23 PM
This makes sense. I'm a strange dude who watches porn and envisions his wife as the performer. I am merely a consensual observer. My wife and I are white, so it makes sense that I would prefer BM/WF. Wraithlead also makes a good point about the cock size. I don't seek out IR porn, but often times what I like is IR. I also think, living in the midwest, I enjoy BM/WF IR more because there is still a hint of "taboo" to it here.
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Posted - Jan 28 2012 : 3:17PM
I have no problem imagining myself as the guy whether the guy is black or white. But I think its because black guys are better equipped to imagine ourselves as a white guy than the other way around. I think it's psychological. Black guys grow up imagining that they are Spiderman and Batman even though those are white dudes.
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Posted - Jan 28 2012 : 4:38PM
^^^^^ Ha Ha, yes. However I don't think it's pervasive enough to effect you as much. I don't know how many white kids watching The Empire Strikes Back envisioned themselves as the supercool Lando Calrissian. But what's for sure is that the black kids were Lando, Han, and Luke.
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Posted - Jan 29 2012 : 5:07AM
BM WF is the ultimate social taboo: the slut that fucks the slave! WM BF is also cool. WM WF and BM BF are just not appealing to me, unless the WF is really pretty and the WM is a midget, a disgusting old man (Dirty Harry is my ultimate idol) or another kind of freak. Someone should make a film with disgusting old black midgets fucking barely legal white cute girls. The more messed up porn is, the greater the fun!
As a black guy, I tend to be somewhat put off of IR by the stereotyping, but the scenes I do watch these days are almost only wf/bm, because it seems like there are rarely any black female performers out there who fit my tastes, are good/prolific enough at anal, actually get scenes with white guys, and aren't too obscure for me to have ever heard of them. I love the aesthetic of a white dick in a black ass; my problem is I don't really like big asses, and I prefer black girls who are very dark-skinned. If there were more performers like Simone West or darker, I might actually prefer bf/wm over wf/bm, since the stereotyping's less egregious. Then again, since so much wf/bm scenes are essentially "big dick" scenes and I'm a fan of big penetrations, it might just even out. As far as pure physical appearance goes, the color of the dick isn't a factor in any of that. I don't care if it's black, white, or if it's even attached to a guy. I've never been the sort to imagine that it's my dick, so I don't need it to look like mine.
^ you have my kind of tastes and attitude , I'm white though, anyway let me suggest some black girls with a slim body and a proportioned ass ,Marie Luv, Tila Flame , Evanni Solei, Misty Stone and Skin Diamond come to mind the latter is the best anal performer of the group although she's not as dark as you might like nor is Misty Stone both of them among the hottest stars in the whole industry, also Leanni Leeanne is very good looking but she might be borderline with big asses I like her and she's good as performer and does anals very often. from the past my favorite were Monique and Midori both great at anals along with India , add to them the French European Tabatha Cash, Julia Chanel, Charlene Roben and Marie , all of them really great at anals plus from Private Mickaela or Micaela who was French and did anals too all the three latter very dark skinned too
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 1/29/2012 9:23:28 AM
No disrespect to beauties like Jada Fire, Ebony Ayres, Marie Love, and Heather Hunter, but any list of the top ten porn stars of all time is likely to include more white (or hispanic) girls than black girls. This may simply reflect the market demand for white girls, which propels them to stardom while leaving most black girls to compete with each other for those consumers who actively seek out black girls. Sexual taboos cut both ways. The taboo makes it exciting for some viewers, and that creates a market. At the same time, it marginalizes the performers who satisfy that market. (If fake boobs were taboo, Jenna Jameson would never have become who she became.) The IR taboo has probably kept Tyler Knight out of the mainstream, even though I think he "deserves" to be in the top rank of porn studs. Unfortunately for black girls who want to make it big in porn, there isn't even a taboo against sex with black women, so they seem to be marginalized from the mainstream and the fetish markets.
I told myself I wasn't going to post in anymore IR or anti-bbobjob threads anymore because it's just the same stuff over and over but this is a slightly different slant and you seem sincere with your question, so I'll give my take. What's probably missing for you with WM/BF scenes is the psychology aspect of the "big black man" ravishing the white woman. It seems many people have this particular fetish whether they realize it or not (but not everyone). Watching WM/BF porn is still interracial porn but the WM/BF roles aren't the same or at least appeal to the same "fetish". In society there's an underlying mentality that black men are brutes of some sort. Every story of being approached by someone who might do harm sounds just a bit scarier if it's a big black guy. Every joke about a guy getting raped in prison sounds a little more funny/scary if it's a big black guy. The same carries over to sex for some people. The big black guy ravishing the (pure) white woman gives the scene a psychological boost to some people. The (pure) white girl is getting what she deserves from that big black penis. The big black brute is going to give it to her and teach her a lesson or defile her. This is the reason porn has so many titles that play up thjat mentality. LEX THE IMPLALER, RICCO THE DESTROYER, BLACK MONSTER COCKS, BIG BLACK DICKS STRECHES LITTLE WHITE CHICKS, etc., etc... The reason we see so many of these type of porn movies made and doing well is because there is a big audience that likes to see this. The people who don't like this sort of porn claim to be offended by it but the reality is there's a very big part of the audience who preffers their IR this way. The sales of such product shows that. There's large number of white viewers who like seeing white women "punsihed" by big black guys and there probably are a lot of black viewers who are turned on by it too. Many of the IR ranters are offended that people in porn think of IR porn as a fetish but in those cases it really is one. In the case of the "black monster dick" genre that type of porn is not only a fetish but a popular one. That's why well hung black performers are the most in demand and popular. Of course not every IR fan is into the "black monster dick" thing. Some black guys simply like or prefer IR (BM/WF) because they prefer watching someone more like them on sceen. Some white viewers don't care about the skin color of the guy and cares much more about the girl or the director/studio. When it comes to WM/BF IR porn some black viewers watch it because they like the girl and most would prefer a black guy performing but put up with the white guy for the sake of the girl or scene. The white viewers that watch WM/BF stuff do so because they are indifferent to the girl skin color and watch because of the studio or male performer or they have a thing for black women (or a particular black woman) and enjoy seeing someone more like them having sex with her. Of course there will be people who attack what I say and start saying what they like/buy but I'm clearly not saying everyone likes the same thing and the sales of certain types of IR back up most of what I'm saying. Feel free to argue but I gave my point of view and have nothing more to say on the topic.
I sincerely hope this will change , something is already happening, Asphyxia Noir performs very often with Skin Diamond they both do the same scenes , fuck the same guys and are equally nasty ,although Asphyxia doesn't do much anal whereas Skin did aplenty, the both of them worked for kink.com in both roles sometimes together in the same scene. Yet almost nobody talks about Asphyxia but many are fascinated by Skin , the black one hit the public over the white one , be also aware that Asphyxia is a fantastic performer too , actually this fact boosts Skin because none of their scenes is lame if Asphyxia wasn't a performer of the same level she might have ruined their scenes but this never happens , they are both great I really hope that Skin will break this "taboo" and allows the growing of a more mature market who actually takes into consideration the actual performance over who did it.
Typically, most white men tend to find a certain type of black woman attractive. Whenever you ask a white guy to name hot black women it's always the same short list that almost always includes Hallie Berry and Beyonce. In porn there always seems to be that slot for about 2 or sometimes 3 blackfemale performers that have that crossover appeal. It seems when a new girl fills that slot she knocks one of the others off that short list. Jada Fire is the exception...she seems to stay in the game based on performance more than looks (not saying she isn't pretty but doesn't fit that "look"). For a long while it was all about Marie Luv and Jada Fire. Nyomi Banx popped in for awhile. Misti Stone(?) was/is for awhile. Skin Diamond is the go to black girl at the moment. There've been others but they don't seem to last long or have as much success with white crossover audiences. The black performers who are willing to be a little harder and do anal usually fair better in the crossover market. It's possible for black females to have a successful career without appearing in typically white audience films. There plenty of black female favs with a strong audience in the black porn market.
^ I'm curious what are those unknown stars? In my list I have in no order: Misty Stone Marie Luv Evanni Solei Leeani Leeanne Melody Nakai Skin Diamond Tila Flame Bethany Benz Bella Moretti Nicara These are my favorites , meaning I tend to pick up anything with them
Nyomy Banxxx and Jada Fire aren't among my favorites but surely I can watch them with pleasure plus many more , a great part of those in the Brown Bunnies site , unfortunately their scenes are ruined with guys who not only have dicks smaller than mine but also show some poor wood too often. the latest seen in their site's preview some Janine looks very hot
Those are great girls. But there are tons of black female performers who mostly appear in movies from smaller studios. If you'd see some of them you'd totally understand why they only appear movies from smaller companies because they simply aren't that good looking and many of them tend to have totally ridiculous names. I think the better looking black girls usually tend to rise to the top and star in movies from bigger studios that do all black female movies from time to time. Some of the girls you mention show up the stuff from the smaller studios and they're used as bait. They put them on the cover to grab attention but they're usually the only hot girl in the movie.
^ I used to watch the Black Cheerleaders Search series of Woodburn and there were literally tons of incredibly hot black girls I almost never found anywhere else , it was in there that I discovered Marie Luv (had another stage name though)and followed her since, but I happen to watch some obscure production but the girls in there didn't really fit my tastes , most of the smaller companies though barely arrive in Europe some don't arrive at all,not even the white ones it is almost impossible to find that Pro-am productions of Christina Noir or Multi-Orgasmic Mary it is even very difficult to find those of Brothalovers, which is too bad because there are some very hot performers who only work with them or only worked with them for example the owner of the site Jennifer Ashton or Silvia Saint's Sister Sindy or Julie Wilson or Diane Limber But I believe we are slightly OT Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 1/29/2012 4:20:57 PM
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Posted - Jan 29 2012 : 5:40PM
Obviously, besides the "big scary black dude", there's another difference that comes accross to the casual porn consumer. Many a casual consumer is still under the stereotype that Black Men are better in the sack (even beyond dick size) and are therefore a sexual threat to White men; i.e. "once you go black...". So the BM/WF is a threat scenario in that sense whereas the WM/BF is not. I think porn officianadoes are the segment of the population that are the least beholden to this stereotype.
It's true that there's the thinking that black guys are better at sex on the part of many people. It's one of the reasons many white men don't like IR porn or write off women who've been with black men. They won't come out and admit it but they feel after a girl has been with a black man they can't live up to her sexual expectations anymore. Their thinking is all/most black guys are huge and have this powerful sexual energy and it ruins those girls for them. But I do have to point out that I've heard a prostitute interviewed where she says she doesn't like doing black guys "at work" because she says they "Fuck too good and last too long" and it cuts into her quote and wears her out. There was another person here who said while they were stationed overseas in the service the local prostitutes complained of the same thing.
I do actually prefer WM/BF scenes because I'm really into black girls and it's just easier to complete the fantasy if the guy in the scene is closer in general appearance to me. BM/WF holds no special appeal to me because it's just another guy fucking a girl except the guy is much further away in general appearance and it makes it harder to complete the fantasy. It won't stop me from watching the scene if it's a white girl I like enough though. I imagine the opposite would be true for the same reason if I was a black man instead of a white one. It's just a shame such a high % of even the hotter black girls don't last very long in porn. I know that's the case with all types of girls in porn but it seems like a particularly common scenerio for hot black girl to show up, make her run through the few higher quality black girl sites/series, and then either start working with low end/obscure companies or completely disappear.
and she is younger and hotter but as the older and white janine she is already oding on the tattoos
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Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 10:45AM
The funny thing is if you go to tube sites and read comments on black male and white female videos, there are way more racist comments than white male/black female. Infact, you'll hardly see any racial comments in white male/black female videos. It just shows that whites males are more insecure when it comes to interracial relations than black males. White males are also more disrespectful of others race.
Edited by - the traveler on 1/30/2012 10:46:06 AM
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Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 10:56AM
Here's how it works: white male sees white female with black male and is horrified. White male comes up with every insult in the book against black males and instils social pressure and psychological pressures in the mind of white females. Some white females catch the bait and then reject black men, some even before knowing anything about the black males personally. White men are happy and the world keeps spinning.
^ this is not a general IR thread this is about US , what turn US on the most in a IR scene and why , I answered the girl , that above is a reason enough to pick up a DVD for me , no matter who is the stud with her. there's nothing psycological in that just a man hand his cock
How long till this thread gets locked? This thread is turning into the other racism thread that just got locked.
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Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 12:07PM
fair enough. I find that the girl makes the scene more than anything. The only preference I have is for hot girls with guys competent enough not to ruin the scene. Also, steamy action. Race doesn't matter for me. I can watch Manuel Ferrara banging Marie luv and be just as happy as watcing Lex Steele banging Sophie Dee.
^ this is not the actual meaning of this topic but mostly because a man just need a hole to get aroused so doesn't matter who he fucks , he's usually perfectly fine if a male fucks whoever he wants, on the other hand women aren't just women many saw them as their daughters , wifes, mothers or sister and those aren't allowed to fuck whoever they want in their mind so a female fucking a black is seen as taboo especially considering that a pregnancy would expose her and her family to rumors by the neighborhood , but this is a guess actually. I like IR mostly because the contrast make more clear the act and the depth of penetration it works in any case
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Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 4:40PM
^^^^^ Actually, like just about everything that is social change, this has been an ongoing gradual process of change. I don't know how old you are, but once upon a time there was a pornstar named Billy Dee, who by today's standards would not be condidered "IR" in a scene with any white girl. But back then (early 80's) he was considered "IR" and several stars wouldn't work with him. Then there was Jake Steed who was considered "IR" but not really anymore. Sledge Hammer is in an interesting category as well and other performeres who are "ambiguously" Black or Black Hispanics. At this point in this industry in transition, the only true IR is now the "completely unambiguously black" male performer. By extrapolation, it's possible that the next step will be that "IR" will only be the very dark ones and that Shane Diesel will no longer be IR.
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Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 4:52PM
hmmm... I've always heard that white street walkers get more black johns and black street walkers get more white johns. Could it be that black johns like white prostitutes more and that white johns like black prostitutes more?
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Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 5:39PM
And keep in mind that a Black man is taboo not just with White females. It's any non-black female. And in some cases, a female that calls herself black can be labeled "IR" with black guys if white dudes like her enough. Alexis Silver isn't seen as any white dude's daughter, wife, mother, or sister.
