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zambi
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Posted - Sep 18 2010 : 11:20PM

My Sony DVP-NC800H (5 disc) dvd changer stopped working.
This is the 2nd one I've owned that went bad. Sony used to
have great quality now they suck.
I'm looking for a replacement and don't see too many options.
Does anybody still make a decent DVD changer? I've started
converting my DVD collection to hard drive and looking at
digital media players but I still have a lot of DVDs I'd
like to just load up in a changer.
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 21 2010 : 2:37PM
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 22 2010 : 9:45PM
Sony no longer makes any DVD products. However, they do have a Blu-ray 400 disc mega changer for $599.
Pioneer still makes a 300 disc DVD mega changer. But at $529 msrp, unless you can find it at a discount (which the few retailers that claim to have it don't seem to be doing), the Sony Blu-ray version seems to make more sense.
cubesnake
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 8:21AM
Hi,
DVD Changers ... o yeah ... good idea .. but ... "the problem" is the mechanical storage of the discs within such a device. Not every disc is exact in its diameter thus when the "table" turns they sometimes get stuck ... and then you will hear a sound that may have your heart stop beating. Not to mention "the fun" getting the discs out and not breaking your player.
Unless they changed the way the discs are stored it´s not as much fun as one might think. I can´t speak for the BD Changers but the ones i have (Kennwood 400+3 discs DVD/CD mega-changer with progressive scan, CD-R/CD-RW and MP3 compatibility) do not have a usable PC Interface and the key allignment on the remote control is simply mfs (motherfuckingstupid)
The reason i got the Kenwood was being able to "Daisychain" them ... meaning "one remote control" for 3 of those DVD Changers.
So you can access 1200 Discs at once !
http://manual.kenwood.com/files/B60-5105-00.pdf
I´ve given up on this topic. I use my changers as long as they play and then good bye
Cube
Edited by - cubesnake on 9/23/2010 8:28:10 AM
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 9:20PM
^ The Kenwood DVD changer sucked (for exactly the reasons that you mentioned). However, a lot of people who bought the Entree controller (which was used in place of the PC software, absolutely love them. After replacing the three that I owned with Sony's DVD changers, I ended up selling them to someone who wanted extras as backup in case his ended up dying.
Although it wasn't possible to daisy chain the Sony's, they did have the ability to set 3 different remote control codes on them. So it was possible to control 3 of them individually. That, along with an HDMI switch box allowed the Sony's to work for me in the same way that I had hoped that the Kenwoods would work. The only difference is that, since each Sony runs independently of one another, the disc list isn't consolidated across all of the players. I've had absolutely no problems with the Sony 400 disc changers.
I also own two of the Pioneer DV727 300 disc changers. Aside from one $75 repair about 7 or 8 years ago, I haven't had any problems with these changers either.
Unlike the Kenwoods, neither the Sony's nor the Pioneers required any type of PC interface. They both have a PS2 Keyboard jack on the front panel for the direct entry of disc information and use on-screen guides for the selection of discs.
When I bought the Kenwoods, the plan was for them to replace the Pioneers (1200 dics vs. 600 and component video vs. S-video). However, when I got the Kenwoods, they were too big to fit in the armoire that the Pioneers had been in. So, I had to put them in a closet behind the TV. Since that freed up space, I decided to keep the Pioneers as well.
Based on my own experience with the Sony DVD changer, I have no qualms about suggesting the Sony Blu-ray changer to someone who is looking for a changer. I hesitate to use the word recommend, only because I have never seen the Sony Blu-ray player and can't personally vouch for it's picture and build quality. However, I'd be surprised if the build quality doesn't match the quality of the DVD changers that I own and the picture quality doesn't match the Sony Blu-ray players that I've owned.
Edited by - Bill on 9/23/2010 9:36:31 PM
 
cubesnake
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Posted - Sep 24 2010 : 6:02AM
haven´t heard about that one. After a few hours i came to the conclusion "ok it would be nice to have every dvd title displayed on the display but entering them by hand ? ... no way"
What i dream about is a Giga Changer (400, 500, 600+) with Network Interface and CDDB like query and remotecontrol via Browser
That´s another thing ... even if everything is still ok and "just" the Laserpickup may be broken ... you ain´t gettin´a new one. With this detail in mind i often ask myself "do i really need all those expensive gimmiks ? that make those companies rich and richer ?"
Well, the Kenwood did not requier a pc interface. It has a PS2 Keyboard jack also ... but i never used it
What keeps me away from Sony for ages now is ... as soon as you got home from the Shop which you bought your new "high-end-one-of-a-kind" device they already built V2.0 of your device :(
Cube
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 24 2010 : 10:30PM
Even if you had heard about it, you probably wouldn't have bought it. It cost about $1,800. It was never even a consideration for me.
But it was the reason why Kenwood never made any improvements to (or even fixed the huge bugs in) the PC based controller software that was initially written for the Kenwood changers.
Edited by - Bill on 9/24/2010 10:32:14 PM
cubesnake
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Posted - Sep 25 2010 : 4:11AM
Hi,
1800 ! wow ... you are right i wouldn´t have bought it. I only bought 3 Kenwoods due to the good price i found. I would have been happy if Kenwood answered my emails i sent them but it seems they are just as every other Hifi Vendor/Manufacturer they never answer and even if they do it´s an "auto-responder-mail"
I tried to find something about that Entree controller but i failed
Cube
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 25 2010 : 10:38AM
^ Sorry. That's my fault. I misspelled it. There's only one "e" at the end (Entre). If you do a Google search on "Kenwood Entre", you'll find a lot of results.
There was actually an ebay auction last night for a jammed Kenwood mega-changer and an Entre that ended up selling for less than a dollar (but about $30 Shipping). There's currently a used Entre on ebay with a $75 starting bid.
Edited by - Bill on 9/25/2010 10:40:39 AM
cubesnake
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Posted - Sep 25 2010 : 3:52PM
You have no idea how angry i am about Kenwood now. Even though i´ve only read a few lines it seems to be the "missing Link" between the Changer and a more useful interface to access your discs via pc software. I´ll never understand why companies don´t offer their products worldwide. Even if they choose to create a product for a certain market you usually don´t get all the other devices you can get for that product in the u.s
If i could i would have build my own device but that will remain a dream like so many other things in life.
Cube
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 25 2010 : 10:38PM
I know that it's a bit late for you, but there is a [ invalid url ] is the first place that you should go to for information.
cubesnake
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Posted - Sep 26 2010 : 4:28AM
thanks very much for your tips :) I recently had to learn that "we" consumers are at the "lower end of the food chain". Sometimes (very often) a good product gets a kickback when you see how the human-machine interface is done. I now have a big screen tv. The picture is perfect (for my taste) but the way you have to press certain buttons on the remote iniside certain modes of operation is simply not understandable. It appears being programmed without "logic" at least a logic i can not follow. Even though you don´t need this or that sub menu all the time it´s a hassle if you have to got there and always press the wrong buttons. Another thing is the allignment of the keys on the remote. Most of the times too many keys in the wrong place
I wonder if there are products for people like me sometimes
Cube

Edited by - cubesnake on 9/26/2010 4:29:23 AM

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 26 2010 : 5:00PM
^ I would suggest doing some research (in AV Science) on your TV. My guess is that a Harmony remote would probably be a good investment for you. Many (if not most) new components have "discrete" commands that they can accept that will take the place of multiple keystrokes on the OEM remote. For example, with my Mitsubishi TV, I need to press the Activity button followed by a number or the right or left button and enter to change from one input to another. However, with my Harmony, I have a single button for each activity that will set everything properly. For example, if all of my equipment is turned off and I press the "Watch DVR" button (which is a custom label) the TV, AVR and DVR will all turn on and the TV and DVR will switch to the correct inputs. Later, if I press the Watch Blu-ray button, the TV and AVR will switch inputs (the remote doesn't send a power signal because it knows that those components are already turned on), and the Blu-ray player will turn on.
Today's components do too many things for there to be a separate key for each of them on the remote. So, the manufacturers build menu systems in the components to allow for execution of all functions. With the complexity of today's home entertainment systems, a quality programmable remote is a component that most people should own.
zambi
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Posted - Oct 16 2010 : 8:39PM

Definitely not looking for a "jukebox" that hold hundreds of discs.
I want a 5 or 6 discs changer that can play dvds. I believe all
Blu-ray players can also play DVDs. So I guess what I'm really
looking for is a Blu-Ray changer. Again not a "jukebox" but something
that can handle 5-6 discs. It appears they are only making single disc
Blu-Ray players. Probably because of the push towards streaming. That's
why I'm transferring all my DVDs to hard drive. Then you can buy a
digital media player for about $100. The newer boxes can even play
Blu-Ray from hard drive at output HD. Still would be nice to have a
Blu-Ray disc changer though.

cubesnake
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Posted - Oct 17 2010 : 4:10AM
don´t want to bring up the same old bla bla over and over but ... in order to have your BR disc on a digital Media player with a Harddrive you have to do certain things that the owner of the rights of your dvds and br media doesn´t want you to do. Since it becomes more and more illegal to do certain things with the stuff you bought from "your own money" you may end up getting problems. The conclusion to this is to avoid buying things that have you bent over backwards in order to play them the way you like. Besides i doubt that any person can do that transfer to harddrive so easy
Cube
 
zambi
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Posted - Oct 17 2010 : 11:33PM
It's not illegal to rip a copy of a BR or DVD disc you bought to hard drive.
It's illegal to distribute that copy. No in order to do the rip to hard drive
you might have to strip or crack the DRM or copy protection. But I doubt you
will be prosecuted if you don't distribute the copy. It's legal to make a
backup copy. But I think the content guys are trying to get congress to pass
new laws for media that instead of selling you a copy you own they will grant
you a license to play that on a certain device? Meaning you would no longer
own that disc etc. I think they recently tried to slip this in a few weeks ago
and guys like EFF caught it and killed it.
cubesnake
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Posted - Oct 18 2010 : 11:04AM
you maybe right in your country but not everywhere do the same laws apply. As far as i know i´m allowed to make a copy but "without breaking the DRM" if that´s not possible then ... i can not
Cube
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Oct 19 2010 : 11:22PM
If I'm not mistaken, it actually is technically against the law to crack the copy protection even if you're not likely to be caught or prosecuted. The only program I know of that actually does this has not been updated for years due to the fact that the author was threatened with legal action. There's probably another program that does it by now but the fact that they went after the one guy and he decided it wasn't worth it speaks volumes.



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