Judging by the lines at the AEE, I'd say that people do.
However, it seems like that when I hear people talking about porn, especially on boards like this where the average poster has seen his or her fair share of the material, the topic of conversation tends more towards the independent girls that are more prolific and really working hard out there.
So ARE you interested in the least in contract girls?
And for the record, I may use some of your responses in an article on the subject for EyeOnAdult.com. By posting here you'll be giving me permission to use you're thoughts, quotes, and screenname in the material.
It depends. Is she hot? Does she get lazy once she gets a contract? I think it's good that girls can work for whom ever they want and branch out into different things if they want. Some of the Vivid and Wicked stuff I've seen was decent stuff but I don't think I could keep my porn habit satiated with only that.
Sometimes, I find myself hopelessly attracted to and turned on by girls that I don't even think are that attractive, physically. Certainly, a lot of the contract girls I've seen over the years were very lovely but that isn't always enough. And for some reason, contract girls tend to have fake boobs. I mean, that's cool if that's their thing and they like 'em but I just can't watch fake boobs unless the girl is spectacular in some other way.
I don't think there's some cachet associated with being a contract girl, but if being under contract works for the performer that's cool. If I liked her before then I'll still check out her movies.
Whether or not a girl has "contract status" is pretty much irrelevant to me.
I will observe, however, that girls I was crazy about often lose their appeal when they move to contract status. Two examples: Cindy Crawford vs. Cindy Crawford JKP contract girl Jenna Haze vs. Jenna Haze JKP contract girl (and lez only)
Fortunately, Cindy and Jenna are getting back to making real porn again :)
Depends which company. I mean it would be great if big butt girls would sign up with companies like Evasive Angles or West Coast Productions but that's not happening. Contract girls in porn means Vivid and Wicked kind of stuff and that's really not my thing. Way too soft.
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Posted - Mar 28 2006 : 3:12PM
I've always perfered gonzo over features, and not a lot of gonzo companies have contract stars. I also enjoy variety and always have an eye out for up-n-cummers.
I didn't buy much of Jill Kelly's stuff because it seemed like the line-up was always the same.
I am also a big Jesse Jane fan, but have only seen 2 of her movies because of this.
Speaking of vivid..I remeber when Dasha was under contract her scences were not so nasty. Then she made a mini comeback last year and did some rough stuff you won't see with vivid (meatholes 4) and some gonzo flicks.
Mercedez just got release by vivid. While I think she looks hot, I never seen a movie with her because she was with vivid . Now she needs to get filthy and start shooting in the gonzo market ( Jules Jordan your reading??!?)
Lanny Barbie is with Vivid now. In my opinion, she has slowed down. Her appetite of sex isn't the same like before.
I enjoy seeing some contract stars... but it is true that most really tame it down in their performances.
I would love to see the top stars just get fucked like cheap whores on a quality camera instead of made to look like movie stars in crappy acting shot on film movies.
I guess I just like my porn dirty. If I want to see someone act, I'll watch a movie where they can... not a porno.
I hate vivid as they take away my love Lacie Heart and Lanny Barbie from gonzo. Moreover, Vivid just ruins but not raise up the career life of Lanny Barbie after she joined it last year. So sad to Lacie too.
I just wonder the sale of Vivid or Wicked compared to normal gonzo. I also doubt abt the market of feature films in future as it is not 80s or 90s any more. People are now able to get different sex films from many source. I don't think most ppl will satify with the way sex inside feature any more.
Personally i hate when a girl is a ``contract girl`` cause i like to see her do different lines, different style etc but if a girl is REALLY HOT and i drool on her, then whatever the place her contract is i go there...so its always about the chick. For exemple Lexie Marie, the B/G stuff i saw her doing was with vivid, im not a fan of vivid, they mostly do boring couples soft movies but they got so much hot chicks so i have no choice to go there.
It seems to me that too many contract girls completely change their image upon signing-- sometimes too trashy or sometimes too much glam, but almost always for the worst.
I completely understand the need for added stability and better income-- but can't they at least try to retain some of the qualities that we all loved enough to help build their reputations in the first place?
Except for the few girls that get signed exclusively before anyone else even knows who they are, as I believe Vivid has been doing some in the last year, most girls worked freelance for some time before they signed with one company. How do you know that many of the people lining up to see the contract girls aren't doing so on the basis of their earlier, pre-contract material? The same way that fans of classic rock will go see a concert for a group's decades-old hits without really knowing or caring much about the group's latest album.
I've never been to an adult convention, and thus far I've only seen one adult star on a feature dance tour, although I plan on seeing 3 more in the next three months. But anyway, that one star that I have seen in person so far was Briana Banks, and I wanted to see her as much on the basis of her stills work as for her movies. Oh, I have seen some of her videos for Vivid, and some of her videos from before she signed with Vivid but was already Briana Banks, and some of her movies from when she was Mirage. But when I first started to get into porn, before I watched videos, I surfed the web on TGPs and such for free porn, and I saw samples of Briana's photo layouts from Suze Randall and other fine photographers, and that stuck with me some. I went to see Briana dance as much for the free samples of the Thomas Rifter photographed layout with Briana as a maid in white patterned stockings that I liked when I first started to get into porn, as for any video I've seen since. I'll even say in spite of some of the weaker videos I've seen since where she looked too skinny for even my tastes. I'm happy to say that as of last August, at least on stage she looked thin, but healthy, athletic-thin and not drug-thin.
I can agree with that about not all of the Vivid or Wicked type movies completely sucking, although I've also seen some of that stuff that was pretty lame, too.I also can agree with that.Good question. Somewhat related to what RandomPrecision also wrote:I agree. Boob jobs and being a contract girl don't exactly have a causal relationship, but they do coincide frequently. I'm not a guy who is completely through with a girl if she gets implants, but I almost never understand why she did it. But if a girl still has a beautiful face and nice legs, I can overlook the fake tits. Like Briana Banks, to return to my earlier example.
I care about how well a girl performs on camera. In some instances contracts help with that and sometimes contracts destroy it. Just because a girl is contracted doesn't make me want to buy titles that she's featured in.
I like a few of them but overall they tend to be too blonde and too tame for my tastes (especially Digital Playground. . . .thank god for Teagan at least, she still does Gonzo)
Contracts are better due to the fact that you have stability & that you know you have someone looking out for your best interest, & That they push to market you & get your name out there. It's a chance to collaborate on a personal level about work. I love it!!
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Posted - Apr 7 2006 : 6:23AM
Probleme is that some girl when they go contrack become boring doing always the same stuff. Vivid is a great exemple. When a star signe with vivid, then no Gonzo anymore. And when she taste the vivid style, why come back to the old? i mean she get pay as much as she did when she did gonzo(maybe more) and don`t have to do nasty stuff. So i understand them to want that, but its bad for us the viewers.
Briana Banks is an exemple , i like Briana Banks, not much Mirage, i think her look really change when she transphormed herself with boobs, hair color, more make up etc, on a look point its definately Briana for me. But sadly Briana signed up pretty quick after she became Briana, so the only real gonzo about her is as Mirage, so thats sad in a way cuz i really like her look now. It seem in american most of the time gonzo is for thin-small tits girls and when they get implant and look classy, they don`t do it anymore, or if they started like that(Krystal Steal for exemple) they never do gonzo. It seem only in euro you can have classy girl with lot of make up doing gonzo. No ofense to natural beauty but i always like a girl who look very classy, like she is going to a ballroom, lipstick, lot of eye make up etc, and it seem to not happen much when gonzo is involved.
Becoming a contract girl is probably what most of girls who get in this biz want to do as it seems to offer better pay and better working conditions. However personally, no matter how much I like a girl, once she becomes a contract girl, she is as good as retired. Jenna Haze, Sunrise Adams, Keri Sable, Teagan, Lanni Barbie, Jenna Jameson all some of the girls that I was once a big fan of, till they became a contract girl. Main reason being, they either go soft or become overused in the same setting, with the same guys, same lame stories, and same type of sex all the time, simply boring.
you are right, it also happens in gonzo, but at least with gonzo they don't go soft, and the implant ratio is lower. I forgot to mention the implant factor before.
An example of a gonzo contract girl, Briana Love, I liked her first few anal scenes, but now that she pops up in most of RLD releases, I just FFW through her scenes as I no longer have any interest in her. overused.
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Posted - Apr 8 2006 : 3:10PM
Unless I'm misunderstood you, The Dude, I beg to differ.
I first came across Krystal Steal in her appearance on one of the Craven Morehead blowjob flicks (Oral Adventures?). Granted, she always seemed like a dodger in the scenes which I saw, but she indeed did gonzo.
As for gonzo contract girls, it should never be. There is too much variety in the gonzo world to restrict the abilities of any one girl to a single company, IMHO.
Sunrise Adams is one girl I'll look back upon like so many who look back at the stars of the 80's and early 90's. She was a favorite, from start to finish (mainly because of her frequent performances in thigh-highs, ha).
Eric
Edited by - Eric381 on 4/8/2006 3:14:02 PM
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Posted - Apr 9 2006 : 4:06AM
Eric : Where exactly do you saw Krystal do Gonzo? For me Gonzo is Anal, DP, Swallow, Gang Bang, the nasty stuff... Krystal always did the same thing, Sucking, get pussy eat, Fucking and Facial... So maybe you consider facial gonzo...but that would be weird, i mean about every pornstar in the biz do at least one facial in her career. so maybe you came across scene i never saw...
What, you dont't think gonzo girls are acting? Do you really think that what they say in the little interview segments ("Oooh, I love DP's and nothing tastes better than cum.") is not acting? Do you really think that every "Yes!" they exclaim during the fucking is about the fantastic love-making they receive and not about the pay check that they will get afterwards?
I know that I'm in the minority here, but I'm having great difficulties seeing the variety in gonzo. With very few exceptions (primarily early Buttman), when I watch gonzo I feel more like watching a ritual sacrifice on the altar of dick worship. The only variety is in the girls so I can see why there can´t be contract girls in gonzo.
For the porn world as a whole I think it's a good thing that some girls get iconic status, it adds a bit of glamor to the whole thing, and the concept of the contract girl has an important role to play in this. If nothing else, the dream of making it in the porn world, perhaps even becoming an icon like Jenna Jameson, probably helps in feeding the gonzo machinery with fresh meat, so you guys should really be grateful for the existence of contract girls...
Huh for me Gonzo is the nasty stuff, DP, Swallow, ATM and such things and a Sraith movie is b/g oral/viginal/facial (can also be 2 men or 2 girl dosen`t mather) so thats how i see this description. Its more complicated to see it this way.
In those day near every actor are talking to the camera, only some boring couples movie are not that way.
As for krystal with Jules, well im sure i have every scene she did with Jules Already, no need for that movie(and i already explained that jenna haze is not my favorite type of girl)
i would just like more stuff with jules and going a bit nastier, even just doing what gina did in darkside would steal be an improvement. Normally i don`t care much about interacial or not, but seeing Gina as a Blond mega chick classy with that very white suit taking on that big black cock was something special...spectacular.
Forget contract stars. I'm only interested in the fresh meat.
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Posted - Apr 15 2006 : 3:14PM
It sounds to me you're trying to associate "the hardest of hardcore (or therebouts)" and "gonzo", which is far from fact. Read above on the definition of "gonzo"...
Most are, some aren't. Example....I do believe in most of her scenes (at least, the ones I've seen), someone like Kelly Wells is not acting. If she is, she's doing a pretty damn good job of it.
Point taken, though. Most gonzo girls are all about the paycheck. But still, the ones who do it because they love it are rare gems and are exactly the reason that I hope gonzo never goes away entirely. You might have to watch 20 gonzo flicks to get 5 really good scenes (especially if you don't know who the best starlets are by name) but the really good ones are better than anything I've ever seen in a feature. OK....I've seen a few scorching scenes in features but as a general rule.....no. All the props and set ups and so forth just get in the way. Most people don't like to think when it comes to sex. IRL, you usually have to think, which is why porn exists in the first place. You don't have to think much to insert a tape or a DVD and press play.
First time I saw a gonzo flick, I swore I'd never watch another Vivid flick. Of course, I still do watch Vivid flicks from time to time. And I even enjoy them sometimes but there are times when nothing but gonzo will do.
Possibly, the reason why stars get soft with Vivid because Vivid only shoots features and you can only go so hard with that. I think most companies who has contract girls either shoots either just GONZO or FEATURES. Other than Digital Playground and Sin City(who has their Mayhem line, I think), for a contract girl, you have fewer choices. Like Courtney Cummz is with Zero Tolerance and is just shooting gonzos. Digital Playground shoots features like Pirates(and pretty soon more story features) and hard gonzos like Jack's Teen America, Control and soon to be one of my favorites Hard Candy.
However probably not about the fact that they have a contract or for that even realize they have a contract. Now I could be totally talking out of my ass here (and hopefully some industry insider will correct me if I'm way of base), but the way I see it the gonzo market is the little leagues and the feature market is the "Big Show", the Majors. I don't know the numbers, but I believe the real money is in the world of cable, satellite and hotels. That is exactly where the Vivids, Wickeds, and Digital Playgrounds play ball. Sure there is a lot of money in DVD, but I'd be surprised if it could really hold a candle.
All of us raincoaters who know the name of every up and cummer are like pro scouts, providing valuable market research for the big leagues. As I understand it contracts are about making sure that a company can guaranty a return on their promotional investments. Sure I know that there is a good chance that the Vivid feature starring Jenna Jameson is going to suck compared to the latest Jules Jordan Gonzo, but some dude who almost never watches porn at home because of his wife, who is trying to navigate the see of porn available on Pay-Per-View in his hotel room has no clue who JJ is. So he goes with the girl he knows right? I'm willing to bet that in general the average person buys his porn based on the girls he likes and or knows.
So the truth is people care about "Porn Stars" and if all they are exposed to are the giant cable friendly companies they are going to care about "Contract Stars"
see, Krystal was one of those girls that was MEANT to be a contract girl. .because she already didn't wanna do anything nasty.
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Posted - Apr 29 2006 : 3:24AM
Well when i say gonzo personally its for the nasty stuff, its easy to not get mix with that. ``Feature`` is what i call couples movie, with the stupid story that just take the place of the action. For me the real meaning of gonzo is just ``normal porn`` . Well kind of confusing for the others but i know where i go.
I agree with what you said. I think fans don't see too much of the business aspect of porn. A lot of the big companies attack after other markets like cable, satellite, hotel, etc while others might just be happy staying with just DVD sales and possibly online. Personally, I think it's smart to go to every market available but of course, it's harder than it sounds. I'm sure those producers for the big companies can understand how many different versions of Pirates Digital Playground must have prepared to sell to all these different markets. Just an example, I think there was one country which didn't allow the word "daddy" in the movies so you have edit every instance of that word in order to sell to that country.
It certainly is harder to please "everybody" than it is to cater to a specific demographic like the gonzo fan. I would actually say that the gonzo fan has it better today than ever. I would also argu that the general level of what is acceptable in mainstream porn is rising.
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