I guess I've become jaded over the years. Today's porn bores me. Same old, same old. Tattooed freaks, fake boobs, and a complete lack of "honesty" when making films. Don't ask me to explain that, cuz I don't know what I mean. But I mean it.
There are, obviously, many beautiful women making movies today. I just can't get into them. There's something missing. I can't put my finger on it.
Where in the hell is my grilled cheese? 575 Posts 3/05
Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 3:57AM
Methinks that you show a pattern of favoring progressively younger performers, leading to your current favorites of Kat and Leah Luv (I'm assuming that's the Leah you're referring to). Quite frankly, at least in terms of looks, you can't find much younger than those two unless the talent search starts in the womb. I think you need to find some more mature talent that appeals to you.
Nah, that's not it. I regretfully omitted Ms. Tiffany Mynx, who put out a couple of films recently. Great stuff. Kaylynn, who is another(less seasoned) veteran, is another favorite of mine(even with the bolt ons). I like Venus, Brandi Lyons,Audrey Hollander, and a few others that have been in the business for years.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm quite familiar with Europorn.
Not Walter Burns familiar like, but familiar like enough.
Same thing.
Loved some of the older stuff. I've always thought Debora Coeur was a beautiful woman. Laugh away. Her scenes were hot.
I get Private on my satellite, so I get to see a number of my favorites on a regular basis. Wanda Curtis is just incredible. Wow. Herschel gets to do her?
There was this little Czech girl I used to like called Meri. Totally cute. Maybe you know her?
There's a bunch of the best girls in porn. Meridian and Sylvia Saint. Total packages.
Hell, I even liked the Dolly Buster and Anita Blue packages!
They, and the girls, broke the formulistic porn we have today.
I tend to feel this way sometimes. Most of my favorite moments in porn are from the early to mid 90’s, just when I started watching porn. I have said to myself before, it’s because a lot of what goes on in porn today has been done before. “Blazed & Confused”, with the wonderful Penny Flame, is one of the most original ideas I have seen lately, it made me laugh as well as get me hard.
If you’re looking for a new turn-on nobody can really help you. Recently I have started watching Transsexual porn and I love it, of course it certainly is not for everyone. Most of the time the only way people can make porn interesting is to get rougher and I really think they hit the finish line when “Donkey Punch” was released. Seriously what the hell are they going to try next, my mind boggles.
If I where you I guess I would just watch things that normally you wouldn’t watch and maybe you will find a girl you like or something. Try TS porn , Danielle Foxxx is damn hot. [:P)]
The current crop of DVD's seem to be made from a template of sorts. I'm not going to claim that I love the "story" in all porns, although much of the porn from the 80's and early 90's did have good stories. I've been drawn to a lot of the Private video's specifically because I enjoy the filmography and the story of many of those and they aren't quite as soft as the Vivid tripe. But truthtfully, the older porn seemed a bit more "real" to me than the newer stuff. I'm not a fan of slo-mo and I'm not a fan of circus-sex with all kinds of crazy positions and scenarios. I enjoyed the build up that was prevalent in the classics where there really was a "star" to the video and several support cast members, and the star didn't get his/her "big scene" until right towards the end, the finale as it were. When you DID see something like anal, it was a rarity and a welcome surprise, or something reserved for the nastier supporting cast members.
I dunno, I think that era is gone for good. I've yet to see anything in the last decade that I truly can say I enjoyed enough to want to watch repeatedly. And, sadly, many of the older movies just can't be found anymore. Someone mentioned a really erotic scene with Sharon Mitchell receiving an anal (Maneaters 101) and I've looked far and wide and can't locate a copy in stock anywhere. Not even a VOD of the thing.
For me, I think it's a matter of the girl's surroundings. The sense of eroticism in pornography seems to have largely evaporated. Because of the new nature of American pornography, sex has become mostly about aggression. Aggressive sex, of course, can be truly amazing. However, when that's all your having or watching it loses its meaning. So, it can be harder to really get into some of these scenes even if the girls are clearly quite attractive. Plus, with so many companies and agencies littering the playing field it seems that so many of the girls work non-stop, and at that pace it must be hard for them to be excited about every scene.
I tend to gravitate toward those girls who don't go in for humiliation and degredation and seem to be having a generally good time, even if there is a bit of performing going on (Sunny Lane, Sara Stone, Gianna, etc.)
I know what you mean about porn seeming a bit more "real" in that kind of stuff. I think a lot of that has to do with watching sex with some sense of context. Plus, the star system often elevated the truly amazing performers, such as Christy Canyon, though it also did the same for the late Savanna. Either way, it's kind of funny to think of this porn having a higher sense of realism when in fact there was far more straight acting going on.I've had that problem time and time again. I've had to turn to compilations, something I thought I would never do, because of it.
Diagonally parked in a parallel universe 576 Posts 5/03
Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 1:52PM
Just a fan, I think I know what you mean. I share your fondness for most of the stars you mentioned -- and dislike the current trend of aggressive gonzo -- but I'm getting to be disappointed in almost all porn after all these years.
In the classic era, directors couldn't keep any "stroke-able" shot going for more than 5 or 10 seconds before cutting away -- to the guys face, to the other girl in the room playing with herself, to the window...maddening ! They seemed to forgo stroke-ability for insipid attempts at "artistry."
The modern directors do better in that regard, but, as you do, I think they've lost something along the way.
In short, I would stay only with the classics were the editing not so frustrating.
It's also pretty lopsided. Watching porn, one would think that women never got agressive about getting their sexual kinks out. It's all comes across as 'Let the boy treat me like a toy.'
Frankly, it doesn't compare favorably to the kind of real-world sex I've enjoyed.
From time to time, I do happen upon a scene where the girl is the agressor. However, in those cases sometimes the girl will be the physical aggressor, her dirty talk will still be in the encouragment mold ("you like fucking me..." blah, blah) instead of demanding ("fuck me harder..."). I remember there being some talk about how it is really difficult these days for directors to have the female(s) dominate the male(s) because most of the current males are so used to their usual pattern that being the submissive causes them to struggle with their hard-on. With the medically induced hard-ons so many of them have, I do somewhat question that.Every era definitely has its fair share of problems, ranging from the quality of the films to the appearance and attitudes of the performers. I know what you mean about the shot of the guy's face at money shot time as well as the horrible editing of the Golden Age. And it does seem that the shortcomings of one era are solved by the next one but in the process new ones are created.
In the end, one of the positives of the current market is that there are a ton of choices out there. Of course, the fact that a lot if it is fairly homogenized is bad and kind of thins the diversity of the talent pool. However, there are also amateur outlets, such as Pixie's Empoirum or Homegrown, classics-on-DVD, Europorn, reality porn, online vignettes and gonzo, and a steadily growing number of companies making features.
I too feel this way. I'm now longing to go back to the good old days when porn was 'new' to me. Or at least when porn still felt 'dirty'. These days, it's all dictated by economics and economics aren't sexy.
These days, recognize the same houses/apartments and the furniture. I'm paying more attention to the paintings on the walls.
This shouldn't be the case. Still, I don't necessarily believe that high value productions are the solution. I don't know what is.
I think porn is becoming more high profile and more respectable so to speak. There's really been a lack of chemistry in gonzo.
This is why I find it hard to go back and watch a lot of compilation scenes. I suppose I have been spoiled by more modern gonzo styles that make the sex seem virtually seamless--or sometimes it is--no cuts from beginning to finish. You are actually watching two people have sex from beginning to end instead of a series of clips. I find it much more exciting when it's just like "I'm a pornstar and we are getting ready to shoot a sex scene", and then they fuck. It's like you are there and you don't have to try to believe in some hunky dory plot. When I watch these older scenes now, it's hard for me not to think about how this face shot may have been filmed 20 minutes after the guy came all over her stomach (the preferred spot back then). Unless I see her lips moving, I know that what I'm hearing was likely dubbed in. Then there's repeated spans of the same clip, or the dreaded loop scene.
So I guess I like today's gonzo porn better than any of the stuff I grew up on, but I still find myself harder to please. For me, I think it's mainly lack of new talent that really floats my boat--I get addicted to certain stars and then hunt down everything they made. When that dries up or I get sick of them, I look for someone else. I'm not one who constantly needs them doing more and more extreme action, i.e. bukkake, triple penetration, DAP, violence, etc..., I just want new hotties doing the same damn stuff. I also find it more exciting when the scene involves stuff that I can actually see myself doing in real life. I think there are many who just become jaded and bored with porn and seek out more and more wild stuff to get turned on. An alternative could be taking a break from all porn for a while and then come back to it.
All excellent points about older porn. I know I've had a few scenes from classic girls I adore that have been unwatchable due to voice dubbing and looping. This is kind of what I was talking about when I mentioned how illogical it is to look at older porn and consider it to seem more "real", though I find myself doing that a lot. Maybe some people, myself included, get that sense because they are just responding to the better chemistry in the old stuff, and watching a feature littered with one-on-ones between porn stars playing couples seems more real (or at least relatable) than current porn stars doing 4-on-1 anal gangbangs. Again, illogical but perhaps understandable.
And you are definitely right about the option of simply taking a break from all porn or at least certain genres of porn. Fans get burnt out just the same as the girls do.
If any industry member happens upon this thread and comes away with the feeling that it's just another ADT get-together where the fans speak of the good ole days like rock band fans speaking of the magic of the early albums, well, you are partially right. These type of conversations break out from time to time. However, so far it hasn't really been a today sucks absolutely whereas yesterday was perfection mentality.
As for the discussion of today's girls, it's not necessarily the girls but the industry and society around them that perhaps renders them uninteresting in comparison to the legends. But in the industry, it's debatable whether or not the pattern of them becoming programmed quickly as performers can change. I think that trap is always there. Certain tics, such as dirty talk, where I mostly get that girls do it over time because they feel like they are supposed to instead of actually wanting or being asked to do it could probably be curtailed. Though they don't come out here to be actors anymore, I have seen some typical all-sex girls work in features and surprise me with their acting. As I said earlier, with so many ompanies on the market a lot of the girls probably work way too much and may not care too much about their performance if it's the 6th scene in 5 days and she's truly exhausted or wants to go party and throw away all the money she just earned. However, directors/producers could probably at least try to put chemistry back into the sex. Tristan Taormino' tried in House of Ass (I am her suck-up), and Devinn Lane and Penny Flame seem to be trying at Shanes World. Even Vince Vouyer's trying to put spontaneity back into things with The Gauntlet . (this was one definite rambling paragraph)
One thing I'm curious about is do girls have any say on the guys they work with nowadays? In other words, I saw Sunny Lane with Erik Everhard in Erotica XXX 11 and it was amazing. In the BTS, Sunny expressed excitment about working with Erik, but was it just a happy coincidence or was she able to tell the guys that she was dying to fuck Erik so they made it happen. These are the type of things that, if they aren't commonly happening, they need to be. And I'm not talking, "So, do you want to be fucked by Michael Stefano OR John Strong today?" When you see girls talk in BTS segments about not liking really big dicks and then see them oohing and aahing through a three-way with Chris Charming and Ben English it's kind of hard to take it seriously. However, I know that reliability and comfort level with the male(s) is paramount to the director who doesn't want a shoot wasted because a guy couldn't say hard.
The girls I tend to follow, my very favorites like Sandra, Claudia Jamsson, Tiffany Hopkins, Delilah Strong etc seem to be switches. They can play both the submissive role and the dominant role rather easily. If they didn't have that look or that tendency, I probably wouldn't be that big of a fan. I like submissive approach and really dont think it could get old but I don't think the girls are allowed to be as dominate as often as they'd like. Not much is hotter than a pretty girl surrounded by a bunch of guys chanting "we're not worthy". A lot of the times it doesn't seem like these guys are.
I really miss the G/G/B scenario where one of the girls is dominate and makes the other girl do all the nasty stuff.
From fatalbert:Could not agree more with that! And while I too like most or all of the stars 'just a fan' lists, I cannot find back to pre-very-late-90s porn.
Anothe phenomenon which is bugging me is that many companies which used to stand for progressive advancements in porn such as RLD or Anabolic are actually goint softer these days. And even directors such as Erik Everhard devolve to those dreaded antics shots and lots or vaginal sex. Post 2004, it got considerably more difficult to find a good scene, I reckon.
Audrey Madison Interview
Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 2:04AM
