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AztecGold11
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Posted - Feb 20 2006 : 9:54PM
What don't you need 2 or more of?

Spyware detector
Firewall
Virus protection
Other?

It's very confusing with all these programs available-some free-some not.

Edited to remove smiley from subject-does not work.

Edited by - AztecGold11 on Feb 20 2006

justalurker
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 1:57AM
Virus Protection, it's generally accepted that running two at the same time will produce false postives. I've found the most effective way not to get viri is to not open any files or links you are unsure of, I always bit bucket any e-mails I get from people I don't know or files I didn't ask for.
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 3:24AM
Antivirus programs and software (PC-based) firewalls automatically run in the background all the time. You don't want to have more than a single instance of either one running.

As for anti-spyware, that's run manually so if you want to try a few out go for it.

AztecGold11
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 3:37AM
If you have a firewall (like Norton or Zone alarm) installed should you disable the Microsoft SP2 firewall?
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 3:50AM
Definitely.

PS - I don't want my firewall coming from anybody who isn't dedicated to security and, frankly, my assessment of Microsoft's security-consciousness is that it sucks.

 
budtugley
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Posted - Mar 3 2006 : 2:55AM
A hardware firewall/router works much better than a software firewall. They can be had for about $40 on the net. They can be configured for both wireless and DSL/Cable modem use at the same time, and they have multiple ports for multi-computer use. It's a good idea if you use a laptop at home as well as a desktop model.
The net is an ugly world these days.

Edited by - budtugley on 3/3/2006 3:06:08 AM

1on1Fan
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Posted - Mar 3 2006 : 6:42AM
Avoid using Internet Explorer:
Secunia - IE 6.0, 23 security holes open, Highly critical.

Firefox and Opera are better, and 1 simple reason is, they do not support ActiveX.
So if you find ActiveX extension for Firefox, do not install it, and also it's better to avoid those IE tab -extensions, like ietab.mozdev.org

If you go to Microsoft download page with Firefox and try to download Windows Defender Beta 2 (previously known as Windows AntiSpyware Beta 1), you need some Windows Genuine Advantage Firefox plug-in.
I think it's better to avoid that too and download that AntiSpyware program with IE.


Here are Secunia pages for Firefox and Opera:
Firefox 1.5, 2 holes open, Less critical.
Opera 8.x, 0.

I have been using Firefox 2 years and sometimes Opera.
and i can't find any spyware with Spybot - Search & Destroy, ewido anti-malware, Ad-Aware SE Personal, Windows AntiSpyware Beta 1.
Those programs really work*, but Firefox (and Opera) are just better and i don't get any spyware, except TrackingCookies, but those are not really spyware.

* my friend did use IE before and i did find something with those.


Mac & Linux users are even more safe, no Spyware and Viruses and if there is some, it's very rare.

Edited by - 1on1Fan on 3/3/2006 7:33:59 AM

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Posted - Mar 3 2006 : 3:43PM

Your typical SOHO "router" has more functionality, since it's typically a switch, router and firewall all packed into one box but, as a firewall, I wouldn't say it works much better. As I've stated previously, all firewalls are software. It's just a question of where they are implemented and how effective they are at meeting your requirements.

budtugley
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Posted - Mar 15 2006 : 7:49PM
The inbound traffic from the web 'sees' the router and not the computer so the hardware firewall is much superior to the software firewall.

The biggest problem we have is employees who bring their laptops from home and infect the network that way.
We trying to decide if we're going to ban laptops since it's something we can't control. A couple of virus's got us that way.

The web is an ugly place. A very ugly place.

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Posted - Mar 16 2006 : 12:29AM
Let's review the basics of Internet communication. Computer "X" wants to start a session with computer "Y" so X sends a SYN packet to Y's IP address (yeah, I skipped over some address resolution). The SYN packet is actually sent to X's router/gateway, since Y is on a different network.

The "X-router" looks in its routing table for the path to Y's IP network. Based on that lookup, it forwards the SYN packet to the appropriate neighboring router. This process is repeated between routers until the SYN packet reaches the one which is Y's gateway.

If, and this is the point, the port to which X's SYN packet is addressed is open then the software associated with that port will get the packet and, presumably, respond with an ACK. If that port is closed, whether because of the Y-router or because of Y's software firewall, then X won't get any response. Since it doesn't get any response, it "sees" neither the Y-router nor Y itself.

Bear in mind that we're discussing a firewall for AztecGold11, not a firewall for a business, with multiple computers sitting behind it. In this scenario, it really doesn't matter from a technical standpoint where the firewall sits. It may matter from a user standpoint, by which I mean that a computer-based firewall may be compromised by bad behavior on the user's part - downloading a trojan horse, for example. However, a good software firewall is going to catch a rouge program trying to get out and notify the user, which may be the first she knows that her computer's been infected.

Been there, done that. You have my deepest sympathy.
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