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jenhonley
Member

38 Posts
4/08
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 9:22AM
Several titles that I'm interested in purchasing advertise that they were shot in HD and yet I can not find a Blu-ray release for the title. One example is Diabolic's New To The Game series. Will these DVD titles be released in Blu-ray eventually when prices drop? Why advertise HD on a DVD title with no Blu-ray option?
Mihx
Member

12 Posts
12/09
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 9:28AM
That "Filmed in HD" logo or similar on DVD covers has also annoyed me from the very first time I saw it. I can only assume it's done as a very questionable marketing method (at least if it's clearly visible on the front cover, as it often seems to be, rather than a small logo sitting discretely in a corner or on the back), hoping to land some extra sales with people who aren't tech savvy and might actually think they are buying a HD version (yes, I know, it should be obvious, but I've been informed that there are actually people out there who think they are "watching HD" even if they are feeding a crappy old analogue TV signal into their fancy new 1080p HDTV :)).
Edited by - Mihx on 12/17/2009 9:30:08 AM
markaudess
Marie Madison Media

68 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 10:27AM
We at Maddy G Productions have been shooting everything in HD for the last two years, and nothing of ours is out on Blu-Ray. For us, the reasons are financial. Blu-Ray's are very, very expensive to produce, and very time consuming in post production and almost double the cost to manufacture.
Marie (Madison) decided to begin shooting in HD years ago to enable us a bit of 'future proof-ness' (if that's even a word haha) so that we would have as many options as the technology gives us in the future. For now, HD versions of our films are only available on line, and I can't even say for sure that BluRay is in our future.
I don't personally think BluRay is the 'New DVD' that it was taughted to be by Sony a few years back. It seems to me that HD Cable, Satalite and High Speed Web Connections are giving the format a run for it's money.
The 'Shot in HD' tag on the box isn't anyone's attempt to pick up sales by deception. In most cases, it is an indicator of the picture quality. Before anyone freaks out, I said 'most cases'.
It's technical, but here's the deal. Standard Definition (which all DVD's are encoded in) is usually an image that's 720 X 480 pixels. High Def is a minimum of 1280 X 720. There's also a flavor of 'HD' that many call 'True HD' that's 1940 X 1080. More than DOUBLE the resolution of the SD image size.
Now, thru the process of encoding for DVD, the image is effectively reduced by more than half, which also doubles the resolution, making for a very crisp, clear picture quality.
Think of it this way. When you shoot a photo with your Digital Camera, and then reduce it by say 50 to 100% for the purpose of e-mailing or whatever, you are doubling the pixel count. It's why the smaller image looks so damn sharp. This is essentially what's happening when you 'Shoot on HD' and release on Standard Resolution DVD.
I'm by no means an expert on this, but these are the basics. There are dozens of film and video editors on ADT who can probably be even more technical than this. But the point is still, 'Shot in HD' isn't meant to dupe anyone, it's intended to show the consumer that the picture quality is technically better than 'standard' Standard Resolution.
- Mark
Edited by - markaudess on 12/17/2009 10:29:17 AM
jenhonley
Member

38 Posts
4/08
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 8:58AM
Thanks for the info markaudess.
I was wondering why Blu-ray is not being produced more and suspected it was something to do with cost. If HD-DVD had won the war would it be in a similar cost-prohibitive production position? Or was HD-DVD more affordable to produce and manufacture? Would everything have an HD-DVD version today if HD-DVD had won the war?
I was rooting for HD-DVD when the format war was going on.

markaudess
Marie Madison Media

68 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 10:10AM
jenhonley;
It's been a long time since the 'HD-DVD vs BluRay' war raged on. At the time, I was rooting for HD-DVD also, and I was one of those people predicting that it was going to win, simply based on the fact that it seemed it was the format Porn was embracing. The big studio's started putting their first HD titles out on HD-DVD, not BluRay, and then slowly switched over as it became clear Sony was going to win that war.
It's my opinion that Sony won the war by attrition. Having the cash to buy up all the big content producers like MGM and Disney I think was the factor that turned the battle in their favor. They just put out so many more 'hit' titles on BluRay that the consumer didn't really have a choice.
Technically, both formats present video in the same quality. The differences were only technical, with the exception that HD-DVD had the ability to be written on DVD's. Again, I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I understand it would have been cheaper for existing DVD Manufacturing plants to retrofit their lines, rather than buy rooms full of new gear as they had to for BluRay.
For the sake of Porn, HD-DVD would have enabled amateurs to burn HD content onto DVD-R's and make them available to fans at a much more reasonable cost. I think we would have seen much more content on HD media had this occurred, and who knows how that would have swayed consumer's. Oh well... you can't fight 'City Hall'.
- Mark
 
jenhonley
Member

38 Posts
4/08
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 1:08PM
Is it likely that DVD releases shot in HD (but not simultaneously released in Blu-ray) will be released in Blu-ray in the future if/when blu-ray production costs drop?
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 1:43PM
My two cents: The market for blu-ray isn't there and It is not cost effective to produce a product that no one wants. In my opinion, most studios releasing on blu ray right now are doing it for bragging rights and may or may not be recouping their investment. As a format, it's the new "laserdisc" and it won't be around much longer. It sucks to shoot something in 192 hex 1080p HD and have it down-rezzed for standard DVD but that's what the market dictates. HD on the web is really taking off however and Hustler recently introduced their HD channel.
markaudess
Marie Madison Media

68 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 1:52PM
Thanks for chiming in here Mike, I was hoping you would.
HD on the web looks great, and it's going to become more and more popular
with the consumers as connection speeds get faster and faster. Many of our
HD Clip buyers like to watch the clips on their PS3, which I have to say,
is a great integration of the web and the tele box.
I agree with you that BluRay's the new 'laserdisc'. When I watch a mainstream movie, I'm way more apt to rent the HD version on cable than buy the BluRay. I own only a handful
of BluRays and they are all sentimental favorites (like "Fight Club")and none
of them are Adult.
Pay attention folks, Mr. Quasar is one of those who know way more about this stuff than I do. :)
- Mark
ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 12:08AM
^ I got Fight Club when they rereleased it last month, too. Haven't got around to watching it but I sleep better at night knowing that I've got the BluRay version to watch when I so choose.
Johnothan Pedak
Senior Member

Catastrophe
1594 Posts
6/07
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 6:55AM
This is my fear as well.
jenhonley
Member

38 Posts
4/08
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 8:36AM
Mike, do you think there will be some medium for customers who want to own HD movies? If everything is online, this prevents customers from being able to watch product at their choosing because internet speed/connectivity/downtime etc will all basically prevent true ownership of the product and being able to view it whenever you want. I personally hate watching stuff off the computer online--especially adult stuff. Even cable providers suffer from downtime and at times slow traffic across the lines. A physical medium is definitely my preference.
Prophit
Member

378 Posts
1/07
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 9:56AM
You confuse downloads with streaming.
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 11:51AM
Right now can have many terabytes of HD porn on your hard drive connected to your pc,which is basically now a media center, connected to your T.V. When IPTV becomes widespread, you can join your favorite website offering HD content from your TV (ZTOD.com perhaps;) and own all it, or use an emerging medium like FyreTV which is basically the appleTV of porn.
markaudess
Marie Madison Media

68 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 1:39PM
It's good to know I'm not the only one. LOL.
We're the same decaying organic matter as everything else...
- Mark
markaudess
Marie Madison Media

68 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 1:44PM
 
Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 4:16PM
All the dumbasses need to do is quit pretending that it costs 4x as much to produce a $30 DVD player as it does to produce a $120 Blu-Ray player, and start selling Blu-Ray players at a realistic price point, like $50-60. All the early-adopters and excessively monied individuals in the world who were going to spend a bundle on a Blu Ray player have already done it. Start marketing them to slobs now. We're cheap, but there are a lot more of us.
I think DP is doing it to document clam stubble as it has never been documented before . . .
ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 5:35PM
Haha.
Tyler Durden: Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 5:58PM
Now I gotta watch Fight Club again tonight for the 50th time
BYOB_Kenobi
Senior Member

“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard
2684 Posts
8/09
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 6:48PM
This is the dumbest business decisions I can think of made by an industry recently.
Not sure what they were thinking, but why you would adopt a video format (and push it as a universal standard) that costs twice as much to make and expect consumers to accept paying almost double the cost for a product (movies, not even players) - as smart as buying a cartoon TV/movie on BluRay.
Granted the definition is much better, but sales has always been struggling before the recession. With the recession, I don't see it happening (not talking about methodology of including bundling free BluRay movies). Numbers don't compute with economy in the tank, 10% unemployed, ridiculous rate of essential products/services, and minimum wage only up 40% (compared to 100% premium from old DVD movie to BluRay). Part of me wishes HD DVD was still around to provoke competition against Sony.
I'm guessing it'll take mass adoption of Blu-Ray (much more than now) to make BluRay movie prices to come down, but don't see it happening esp. in today's climate.
Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 12/19/2009 6:49:17 PM
Flash All-Star Supporter
Golden Age Classic

11018 Posts
5/01
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 8:05PM
For mainstream they recently have started to come down. Week of release most of the big title blu-ray releases are 15.99 to 17.99.
Prophit
Member

378 Posts
1/07
Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 5:12AM
Blu-ray is the better format simply because it holds more data. HD DVD would have been much better for porn though.
jenhonley
Member

38 Posts
4/08
Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 4:15PM
I surely prefer to own a physical disc. I would like to be able to copy my disc to a media center so I can watch it from there, but with this copy infringement paranoia I've given up on that option. I want to be able to buy an HD Disc. With fyretv, you only own the movie as long as you have a subscription. No way that interests me. I like the convenience of playing movies from a media center but it doesn't allow customers the ability to own movies. How exactly do you back up a media center? With another harddrive or disc. Having the disc is the cornerstone of control of the product you paid money for. even if your hard disc fries, you still have a copy you can watch or rebuild your harddrive with. I sure hope porn doesn't get rid of allowing customers to buy a "professionally produced" physical medium.
markaudess
Marie Madison Media

68 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 4:35PM
I agree, having the Physical Disc in my possession is my preferred method if I want to own a copy of the content, but for me this is rare. Most of my entertainment (both mainstream and adult) is the type of thing I watch once and move on.
There's over 300 titles a month released from Big mainstream retailers and I would guess double or triple that in the adult world. I don't have a ton of time to myself, so I have to really pick and choose what I spend my time on, more than the issue of money.
For us, at Maddy G Productions, it's one of our founding business models, to keep every single title in print on DVD, which I'm learning more and more is something rare. It seems that after the initial manufacturing run, when those titles are gone, they are gone - for the vast majority of adult movies. Re-ordering at the store level just doesn't seem to happen, because of the amount of 'fresh' product coming in every week. Unless something is a gigantic seller (like your 'Pirates') it's just not re-ordered by the store even if they sell out of thier initial stock of 5 - 10 pieces.
We're making a point to make sure that every title we put out is always available on DVD and unless Marie (Madison) drastically changes her opinion on this, it'll always be that way. And when or if BluRay comes down in manufacturing costs, or we gain the ability to do an affordable BD-R (BluRay Recordable) that actually works, that might be an option in the future.
It seems more and more studio's are reducing the amount of physical product they put into the market, but hopefully we're not the only one's still putting so much focus on it.
- Mark
Maddy G



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