Economy Changing the Face of the Industry??

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Snoop18 Member 35 Posts 1/08	Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 8:25PM Are we seeing girls who'd never enter the industry try it now because of the bad economy? I'm talking about both the milfs looking to help out the family and newbies laid off from their civilian jobs. Thanks. [Link]
RiveGauche1999 Member 472 Posts 1/05	Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 10:17AM I wouldn't be surprised, people need money to live so i would expect people to do things they never would have considered before, it's rough out here. [Link]
HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03	Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 10:25AM Would you ever say their loss is our gain? [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 10:37AM No but I'd say their moss is my grain. [Link]
NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08	Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 11:06AM Maybe, in this slowing economy, the producers will have to start listening to their customers (Peep the number of threads here alone that talk at length about the things people dislike about porn....) and improve what they do in order to keep their business afloat..... [Link]

Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07	Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 2:55PM Ironically, I've seen a few escorts mention that they're going back to mainstream jobs. For them the sex industry isn't paying the bills the same these days. From what I've heard, the average porn performer is making less money today than they did a few years ago. If more girls enter the industry, and supply starts to outstrip demand, then their earnings could drop so much that a regular 9-5 job looks attractive. That could lead to some performers leaving and the whole thing balancing out. [Link]
JimGunn Member Where The Teens Are 173 Posts 1/02	Posted - Dec 25 2008 : 3:25PM More young girls are getting into porn not just because the economy is bad, but I would say because of the pervasiveness of porn and the "sluttification" of society in general. Young girls grow up familiar with the internet, myspace, and see famous women like Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton doing porn, so it's not such a stretch if they are cute and like sex to become a porn star themselves, at least for a little while. JimGunn.com Sisterlicious.com XXXSisters.com [Link]
JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05	Posted - Dec 25 2008 : 3:52PM NewRomancer wrote: Maybe, in this slowing economy, the producers will have to start listening to their customers (Peep the number of threads here alone that talk at length about the things people dislike about porn....) and improve what they do in order to keep their business afloat..... Click to expand We can only hope. But it is doubtful. I would think there are more egos in this business. Our money is all that matters, not what we like or dislike. [Link]
Porn Addict Member I Shoot Porn 218 Posts 12/05	Posted - Dec 25 2008 : 8:44PM I've had a few girls contact me this month looking for work just so they can buy Christmas gifts. Unfortunately, I'm too broke to even hire broke girls... LOL. - PornAddict Click Here to Visit PornAddict.Com [Link]
NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08	Posted - Dec 27 2008 : 12:15AM "Our money is all that matters, not what we like or dislike." Then stop spending money on shit you don't like. Like any other business, it's driven by the consumer It's our money... They are working for us. [Link]
mug_glazer Member 304 Posts 10/07	Posted - Dec 28 2008 : 6:01PM Snoop18 wrote: Are we seeing girls who'd never enter the industry try it now because of the bad economy? I'm talking about both the milfs looking to help out the family and newbies laid off from their civilian jobs. Thanks. Click to expand In my neck of the woods there seems to be an awful glut of tranny material. Maybe I'm noticing it more now that my personal tastes have narrowed. Sometimes in the new release section its 60/40. 40 percent tranny. That blows my mind because you know a lot of straight guys are buying these vids. As far as the milfs and matures are concerned, most of thje real action there is internet only. In stores you see less than a tenth of what is really out there. My own hope is more of them will release there material in stores over time. [Link]
Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08	Posted - Dec 29 2008 : 5:04AM I wouldn't say that the economy is changing the face of the industry, but greed is. Gonzo is definitely hot, viewers want to see new girls. So new girls have no problem getting work, they do the gonzo round (shooting scenes for a lot of different studios) and are out of the industry as fast as they came in. Nobody really wants to invest in a performer who works for multiple studios. Are contract girls a thing of the past? I just wonder because it seems to be from the outside looking in that there are a ton of performers waiting to do the next "Creampie" flick, or the "MILF" flick, or the "DP" flick. The industry has changed a lot in the last 10 years, whether it is for the better or worse who knows. I'm not sure if "Greed" is the best word to use either. Low prices for video equipment I'm sure has a factor in it. [Link]
Pete Zaface Senior Member 3064 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 23 2009 : 3:20PM Mod says there are several topics on this already and referred me to a list. This was the only thread I thought was relevant. So, even though the most recent post is from six months ago, looks like I have to bump this thread. http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/06/22/tracy_pinched/index.html To those of you inside the industry: With the summer now upon us and a brand new crop of high-school graduates entering the labor force, along with the usual batch of people looking for summer work, it might be hard to attribute any changes to the economy, but it's a question worth asking anyway: Has the economy affected the supply of young women interested in entering the porn world? [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 23 2009 : 4:51PM Pete, thanks for moving it here. There are some interesting things in the article. To wit: "She peed on a guy in her own bed for $100." - I would do this. Seriously, if someone was willing to pay me $100 to pee on them, I would do it. Of course, the trick is, no one would. I'm not a hot girl (or even a girl). In reference to the current influx of women to the sex industry, as well as the influx after the dot-Com crash: "Both booms saw a series of salacious news items about good girls gone bad, a narrative that is at least as old as the Bible -- but I wanted to know what was unique about this particular cultural moment." - This is certainly what many girls are reading now, as even here at ADT the idea has been mentioned several times. The fact is that even in asking whether this will happen, whether more girls will turn to the sex industry in these tough economic times, we (and everyone else, far more so the mainstream press) are actually aiding to create a discourse that somehow makes it a bit more ok - if not a bit more exposed - for women to pursue this path. By no means am I saying that's a bad thing, for the women or for the beneficiaries of their new careers; I'm just saying that these things can often work in circles. Girls pursue jobs in the sex industry - people start talking about it - girls hear about it and start to think about it more - some of those girls pursue jobs in the sex industry - etc. "It took me all of five minutes, and a couple of hesitant keystrokes, to create a Craigslist account, verify my phone number and submit a fake adult ad reading, "Looking for some fun? I'm a 30-year-old professional woman who recently lost her job. Now I'm offering top notch sensual services. E-mail for details." An hour and a half later, the posting was approved and a $10 fee was charged to my credit card. The next time I checked my e-mail, I had 68 enthusiastic inquiries, and a photo of a penis, waiting in my in box." This is the part that I as a man can never really hope to understand. Now I'm not about to say that we men don't enjoy many advantages over the fairer sex in so many areas of life... but this is most certainly one of the areas where women rule supreme. It's true that some men pursue careers in the sex industry, and some in fact are quite successful (look at many of the men on this very board, for example); but to have that kind of response, likely of the majority of whom are serious potential customers, in mere minutes, really speaks to the kind of draw that a woman - almost any woman - represents to so many men. I have more thoughts on the article, and the subject in general, but I'll stop there for now. Any thoughts? [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Jun 23 2009 : 6:47PM JimGunn wrote: More young girls are getting into porn not just because the economy is bad, but I would say because of the pervasiveness of porn and the "sluttification" of society in general. Young girls grow up familiar with the internet, myspace, and see famous women like Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton doing porn, so it's not such a stretch if they are cute and like sex to become a porn star themselves, at least for a little while. Click to expand Porn on the internet has exploded in the last 10 yrs. I heard right winger concede they had lost the war against porn. According to recent polls and studies kids as young as 10 have watched porn in very large numbers. And of course you have the sexting thing. My question is as these kids grow up and become moms, dads and voters will porn be viewed as no big deal acceptably part of society or will they become more conservative. Conservatives have waged a war on our kids for years. A 17 yr old boy tried as an adult sent prison for 10 years for sex with a 15 yr old girl, 14 year girls convicted for distributing cild porn for sending her boy friend a picture of herself on her phone. And they are being put on the sex offenders list. I wonder will there be a back lash or will they accept this when they are running the country. I'm talking about kids and kids not kids and adults. Do what you want with adults. [Link]

Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Jun 23 2009 : 6:59PM JennaRulez2006 wrote: NewRomancer wrote: Maybe, in this slowing economy, the producers will have to start listening to their customers (Peep the number of threads here alone that talk at length about the things people dislike about porn....) and improve what they do in order to keep their business afloat..... Click to expand We can only hope. But it is doubtful. I would think there are more egos in this business. Our money is all that matters, not what we like or dislike. Click to expand Most these guys got into porn when all you had to do to make money was show two people fucking. Then they depended on the new girl in town to keep making money. Then to freak porn. The wave now seems to be IR but that will pass too. Hopefully the next generation pornographers will use thier talent to make porn. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 24 2009 : 2:33AM My problem with the article Pete cites above is that on the whole, after examining so many different reasons for entering the sex industry and different experiences for different women within it, it once again falls into the old cliché of casting a dark light on it all in the end. She misses the boat when she quotes Margo St. James's "A blow job is better than no job." She sums up the article by saying that things aren't as good for the women as they thought it would be; and while this is often true, perhaps even for the overwhelming majority of women, the point Ms St. James was making is that for many of these women, even if their new career hadn't worked out the way they thought it would, it was still better than any alternatives they felt they had. That's where the blanket judgment fails. As far as women getting into the particular wing of the sex industry that we usually talk about here, pornography, I think that there will certainly be more women trying to get into it this year than last, and likely more the following year than this one. But the economy is just one of the reasons for this, along with porn becoming more mainstream (hello Marilyn Manson dating Stoya, Sasha Grey reaching superstardom, etc.), changing attitudes about sex, the localization of the medium due to the internet, and so many other things. [Link]
jrv Senior Member 1266 Posts 2/03	Posted - Jun 24 2009 : 10:23AM There's no money for the girls in doing porn and it's not obvious to me that has anything to do with the economy. More girls may want to enter porn due to the economy but I doubt many will choose to stay. The Face of the Porn Industry is being changed by Internet Piracy & by legit Internet content distribution having a lower cost and risk (since sites may be safely located outside the US). The latter transition is killing porn companies now as they struggle to find a profitable business model (to reduce expenses or increase Internet revenue until there is a profit). A number of familiar names that were real powerhouses 2-3 years ago appear to have essentially given up (Anabolic and RLD are examples) and that has reduced booking opportunities for the girls, as has the flood of imported porn, especially at the "high end" (Cruel Media, etc). [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 24 2009 : 1:52PM My feeling is that the real elephant in the room is the inability of the average pornographer to cater to people's individual tastes. When you have people searching for something unique, if they don't see it in your content, they won't buy it. And if they do buy it once or a few times, they probably won't keep wasting their money if they're dissatisfied. I think if people can find exactly what they want and it's reasonably priced, they'll pay for it. The question is, how do you do that without losing your shirt because of the expenses involved? The most successful people in the business can't afford to pay more than they make for very long. How would a pornographer satisfy a wide range of niches without - A - Going broke Or B - falling victim to having the content seem generic and mediocre? People want quality and variety and they don't want to pay a lot for it. It's a tall order. It's unrealistic. Or is it? [Link]
Pete Zaface Senior Member 3064 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 24 2009 : 2:49PM jrv wrote: There's no money for the girls in doing porn and it's not obvious to me that has anything to do with the economy. More girls may want to enter porn due to the economy but I doubt many will choose to stay. Click to expand This could be one reason it's now easier to count the number of porn stars who don't escort than the ones who do, and the resulting increase in supply may be why so many porn stars are now available at rates only slightly more than, if not directly comparable to, many non-porn escorts. Used to be a girl could make a few movies, get on a boxcover or two, and command a pretty hefty premium; for some, that premium is still there, but for most, it's been reduced significantly, if not eliminated. [Link]