Edited by - Rumplestilt Skin on 1/17/2003 6:06:28 AM

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I believe what you are referring to is the director's round table in the latest AVN magazine. Ed didn't have much good to say about many of porn's newer trends, including internet "gossip" sites like rame. Here's a quote from him from that artical:

Still though, Michael Raven does admit to getting a lot of useful feedback from emails:

Hopefully things are turning around. As skewed as it was, ADT, rame, and CAVR did get some exposure in the latest AVN Online magazine. And as negative as it was, rame got some exposure in this fascinating director's round table artical. Hopefully we as a group can continue to convince people that we have some valid things to say, and that we love this stuff as much as they do, even though, occasionally, a few of our (the internet community's)members don't always put their best foot forward.

In any case, here's a link to the full artical I've been quoting. It does include some very interesting discussions and is worth perusing.

Mike L.

Edited by - MLyons on 1/17/2003 10:01:29 AM

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Ed's the one missing out for not listening. The good makers of porn will leave him behind... somewhere in the dust producing dirty debs 20,068

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Peter and I discussed it and we were pretty happy with how we came off, especially given AVN's (more specifically, Kernes') stance on us, which has historically been antagonistic. We know we won't teach the old dogs new tricks, as it were, so the elder's responses were expected. The newer folks "get it" and are figuring out ways to use the new communication channels to their advantage. I'm happy that they see RAME as one of those channels.

Personally, I wish factions within RAME didn't take glee in running off industry folks, especially when I read an article like this where it demonstrates people are trying to read us and glean info from us. Rog was busting my chops about how one should compile a list of industry folk who were run out of RAME; I replied it would make me cry and I'd rather not. :-)

Jeff

P.S. I totally agree with what Steph wrote above...

Edited by - adult movie faq on 1/17/2003 10:18:02 AM

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I think that comments made by Mason would have been much more positive (not that they were negative, just somewhat neutral) regarding customer feedback on the Internet.

Although, that probably would have been editted out by AVN.

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I come to ADT first where the content is better, and in many cases more lively (lol) and better informed.

DenverDon

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Maybe you could make some money by selling Ed Powers your glass topped coffee table. He needs a better prop.

DenverDon

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I basically have two observations I would like to make corncerning the above:

1) I came to RAME and ADT rather late, but I never ever thought of these forums as gossip forums and I never ever have used them as such. I "use" both forums as great places where all matter of things that interest me can be discussed FREELY. Of course, I don't agree with everything that is said and there are many times when I sit behind my computer shaking my head, sometimes in disbelief, sometimes in shock or anger. I guess that is a price that has to be paid for the immense benefits that come with this sort of free exchange of ideas. To put it short, I have learned more by reading RAME and ADT in these short couple of months than I have learned in the 8 years that I have been reading AVN.

2) I am willing to go on the record by calling AVN hypocrites. First, I don't belief that the amount of gossip on both ADT and RAME is very high. Second, I strongly believe that AVN themselves provide at least as much gossip than either RAME or ADT. Weren't they the first home of Gene Ross and is Todd Hunter still doing his thing, as the successor of Ross (I really don't have a clue since I haven't visited the AVN site in a long time)? And what about their "bone yard" section. O, but wait, of course, that is not gossip, but "professional, responsible, ethical journalistic work". How could Mark Kernes write that editorial a couple of years ago about the detrimental effects of all the gossip sites without feeling embarrased by the fact that his own publication was more than willing to jump on that band wagon? You don't suppose he was only trying to defend the interests of his own publication, do you?

As you can tell by this post and some other posts in other threads I made recently, I am in a very foul mood the last couple of days. It is just that I am getting tired of all the bull shit. If you think RAME or ADT or even AVN is bad, you should read "Hot Magazine". Those guys are truly unbelievable. They REALLY think that they are the masters and the high authority of the porn world and they have no problems whatsoever to insult the buying public if it buys the kind of products they don't like. What do you expect from guys that claim at every opportunity they can create, that they are "le magazine officiel du X-business" and the one and only true defenders of "le vrai cinéma pornographique".

(Easy Walter, easy. Think happy thoughts, nothing but happy thoughts... ah, hmmm, time to select the Babes of the Week. If that doesn't mellow me out, nothing will.)

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