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| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Is it me or does it seem that every day some previous talent-only individual has inked a deal with a company to direct their own line of smut? Is this the new trend? I'm guessing that with the explosion of girls (and to some degree guys) wanting to be porn stars, that just being a porn star is no longer enough. Now it's the Porn Valley version of the old, "But what I really want to do is direct." Which is fine by me, though I'm always gonna consider the Joey Silveras of the biz to be auteurs , if you will, while siding with Chico Wang along the lines of "any monkey with a DVX-2000" can be a gonzo director. Obviously, some will be great -- and there is the solid argument that the "veteran star" of the scene is the "true" director in most gonzo, driving the girl (or, sometimes, guys) and making shit happen. What I'm getting to is just how many individual lines and contracted actor-director talent can any studio support? Is there no fear of glut? It seems like RLD really kicked off this trend (as we now know it), with the Diabolic Diaspora dispatching all the Everhards and Vinces to a new company, which rapidly became the Thing That Ate Cleveland -- proving that the shotgun approach to mass porn production could be a successful business model. Gradually, everyone else has followed suit -- at least in the Gonzo World. More the merrier. I'm just curious if a) the consumer industry can really support this; and b) are companies worried about losing the forest for the trees? All purely rhetorical. I'm not assessing how good anyone's work is -- a bunch of these folks maybe have yet to produce a movie. (I haven't seen Ashley Blue's debut, or Ariana's, for that matter, though the idea of actresses making their own titles is kind of exciting -- if they are really calling the shots. Ashley took a few shots at some folks in a news release from JM, which implied that some "names" really don't direct their stuff). I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts. This seems like THE new thing in porn (gonzo anyway), I guess besides -- gee -- double anal or something. [Link] |
| *Mutt* Deactivated User 752 Posts 8/03 | |
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| EagleSpirit Member Somewhere Doing Something Stupid 439 Posts 7/03 | Yes I think that it is a growing trend and I also think it will not last forever as the Adult Business is BOOOMING aside from what people think from HIV scares and Ashcroft. Gonzo is the most heavily saturated market right now, people just want to see sex. After all why else would you rent a fuck flick? Gonzo has taken up a "need" in the marketplace that comps used to fill. Some Gonzo is tasteful and artistic where other Gonzo films are just a comp with fresh faces and hype. I used to sell porn films for a living and have noticed certain trends. Some of what I say is "theory" while some is fact. Distribution is a key element, a new company needs to diversify it's product line and not only are more companies popping up but they need director's and lot's of them to compete. Male talent is the key, if a company can lock in a good performer to an exclusive contract they are one step ahead of the rest. If that means making that person a director then so be it. Now this is just all mostly theory, so please don't bash me too hard!!! |
| XXXXXXXX Member 306 Posts 11/02 | however, if the majority of viewers likes that , i have no clue but variety sounds like a good thing to me.i think that really depends on your contract, sometimes you may just be credited as director for marketing reasons, other times you will have to fight for your contract to participate in the final sales. but i do think talent will have even more motivation when it's involved in the merits. though sometimes it maybe more clever to take the quick money and go before everything breaks down.i second that, though i would like to strip the 'male' part. talent is the key, if you have the right performers not much can go wrong. (in case you dont forget to switch on the lights) the rest is craftsmanship. |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | My thought is that by directing, it's the surest way for a star to "own their product," rather than be working their scene rate only. Some people have a "vision," while others are cranking it out. I guess my concept of porn, while not exactly counter to all of this, carries over from mainstream cinema, where you have real Class A filmmakers -- and I guess I tend to have a different, perhaps higher regard for directors of porn who are not always also talent. Or rather, they are talent emeritus (or semi-emeritus, like Silvera). On the other hand, Rocco has made some of the hottest porn ever -- and it's all driven by his persona, on and off camera. Mike John, master of POV, is sorta talent -- but I really think of him more as a director who gets a blowjob now and again. Jules Jordan may be the highest-end young director in porn, and appears in his scenes, but you never see him anywhere else, so that's different.
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| EagleSpirit Member Somewhere Doing Something Stupid 439 Posts 7/03 | |
| vodka tonic coolest cucumber who 1243 Posts 11/02 | |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | As for all these new directors; how many are really a real director? When I think a real director I think people like John Stagliano and John Leslie for example. They are the real directors in my opinion. Almost all others just shoot sex, in my opinion there's a difference. |
| Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04 | The real reason is that shooting porno is one of the easiest professions you can do once you master the basics. As I've always said, this shit is not rocket science. For those of you who don't shoot porn and think it's difficult, think about these basic steps and see if you can do it ... I tell newbies three cardinal rules right off the bat. (1) Do not hit the focus ring after manually focusing the lens. Pretty simple huh? You'd be surprised how many people fuck up these simple task. After that, it becomes a series of framing shots, moving from position to position, composing your look, and getting a strokeable sequence. Some shooters shoot to edit. As an editor myself, I shoot not to edit. The stuff is simple as hell and I'm just amazed how many people simply cannot handle these basic facets of shooting. After much practice, it all becomes second nature and you can start being more creative with the camera without disturbing the action at hand. The real problem for most directors is the intangibles: organization, respect from talent, vision, booking, authority, chemistry, etc. This business has a plethora of morons and a few shining examples of 'artists'. I just with more qualified and creative new blood flooded the marketplace to show these directors what directing really means. Basically, if an idiot like myself can direct, anyone with half a brain can learn to do it too. Anybody with a whole brain can make a killing. Chico |
| picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03 | |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 | |
| bridgette Bridgette Kerkove 228 Posts 7/03 | I never claimed to be Paul Thomas. I solely Produce and Direct my movies. If someone can't handle that, thats o.k. its an issue they have. Anyone can watch me on the BTS, plenty of press has seen me in action, as well as my crew. God knows I run my sets with complete efficiency-my crew tells me about OTHER PEOPLES SETS-and they thank me for how smooth I run the sets.
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| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | |
| cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03 | |
| bridgette Bridgette Kerkove 228 Posts 7/03 | |
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| Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04 | Joey Silvera edits his own movies as do John Stagliano, Mason, Jules Jordan. I don't know how they do it. I edited one movie, Un-Natural Sex #12 and thought it was a pain in the ass and it was just one movie. Other directors sit directly in the edit bay and focus on each cut like Zupko, Everhard, Mike John, Darkko, etc. I believe I had this argument with the affable John Strong at one point. He commented that only male performers can direct because they're intrinsically the best at it. I told him I thought that theory was a bucket of bullshit among a myriad of his many ever-changing, self-serving theories. The best directors in the business are perverts with an videographer's eye for what they want. Often times, male talent prove to be the worst directors in the business. Nobody taught me how to shoot camera except one person, Cal444. Sitting with that beer pig in the edit bay for over 3 months taught me more about shooting porno than years at UCLA Film School. Chico Edited by - Chico Wang on 7/10/2004 2:15:21 PM |
| cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03 | |
| picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03 | |
| Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04 | For any production company, the ideal would be to have a performer director. One who can make good movies and is available to perform for others. All I'm saying is without considerable knowledge gained from the edit bay, performer or not, nobody will become a decent director. It is that experience which is invaluable. Chico |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 |
At Evil Angel, when we took on the distribution of Jules Jordan, Jonni Darkko and Justin Slayer, the thing they had in common that stood out was that they were all true perverts and fans of pornography. I think I can safely say that about all the directors who distribute at the Evil Empire. And my husband is the king of the perverted! |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | |
| Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04 | |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 |
I'll add another amen to Chico's "shoot not to edit" comment. Video encourages a "shoot everything and then find your movie in post" approach. 19 times out of 20 it's a lazy and ultimately inefficient way of doing things (I've been as guilty as anyone.) Having some idea of what you're doing, and "shooting not to edit" creates better footage and leaves the editor to choose between good and better instead of bad and worse. -T.C. |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | |
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| Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04 | Of course, the key to any great director comes straight from the head. A pervert's eye and a vision. But in order to incorporate these perverted, creative visions and apply it to the final product requires a serious knowledge of the edit bay which teaches you camera work and style, rhythm, pace, flow and storytelling (yes, even in porn, there's a story being told albeit at a very minimal level). Some people like Silvera and Jules have it. Other people with their formulaic, every scene looks the same, cookie cutter bullshit will always remain in the gutter. I think this Darkko cat is one of the best and to my knowledge he has never participated in a D.P. on-camera. Just because he was never a performer to me does not distract from the fact he's one of the best directors I know. Who knows. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass. Chico |
| Renee Member 765 Posts 8/03 | |
| bridgette Bridgette Kerkove 228 Posts 7/03 | xoxo Bridgette Kerkove |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 |
Depending on a wide variety of variables, I typcially budget 1/2 day to 2 days of organizing and editing per minute of screen time. Obviously if one is expected to turn out a 120 minute video per month there simply aren't enough hours in the day to edit at this pace. But Zero Tolerance's approach in Non Stop, Drive Thru Porn might actually be an answer to the problem; and Chico's comments about how important time in the edit bay is are germane. 20 minutes of uninterupted footage of anything from someone who doesn't know how an editor turns raw footage into finished stories would likely be as dull as watching paint dry. But a cameraman who is a real student of filmmaking with a real passion for shooting sex just might pull it off. I'd lay even money that they result would be at least as watchable than the 120 minutes in two days editing that most porn gets (probably more so because there wouldn't be as many eratic jumpcut or "if you can't solve it, dissolve it" moments) , and it's two days of not having to sit in the damned edit bay too! -T.C. |
| OREN Anarchy Films 250 Posts 12/03 |
Second, I just love the new trend of female talent becoming directors. The Kerkoves have started the trend and now it's booming. I've rather watch an Ariana movie or a Bridgette movie over some old stinky director. The Porn industry is so man dominated that it is a nice change. Diversity is spice of life. And I also think that now female performers have a choice, they don't have to work for an old smelly guy anymore, they call the shots. When the time is right for them, they don't have to work infront of the camera if they choose not to. They have options. Oren |
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