I've gotten a lot of requests for an internal cum-shot series, so Evolution will be releasing Inside Job , featuring the directorial debut of Ivan E. Rection. For those of you who haven't heard of Ivan, he has been an invaluable assistant on all shoots for Evolution. A film school graduate, Ivan also shoots and edits the behind the scenes footage for all my movies, as well as penning a regular column for evolutionerotica.com. I've had him shoot a coupla test scenes for me. Trust me, this kid's got the eye!
Here's a question for you cream-pie lovers: I've never shot one of these things, nether has Ivan, obviously. I like facials, that's why Ive always shot them. What tips can you give me to pull this one off? You want them to shoot inside and squeeze it out how, into a glass, in another girls mouth? I'd appreciate any feedback, as this is not my thing, and I want to make it as hot as possible for you who dig it. Casting suggestions are welcome as well.
Tom, I think you'll find everyones tastes will vary. Many will want to see the popshots squeezed out into another girls mouth. That seems to be the flavor for now...
Personally, I dont care where it's squeezed out, if at all, as I find it usually doesn't add to the heat of the scene.... (plus it's gross, but I don't mind hitting the fast forward button)
My advice would be to attempt deeper cream pies rather than your typical one inch of dick into slot A or B for the popshot. Bury your seed.
Thanks Tom for the post!! I'm not one for the creampie either, preferring the facial/ swallowing but since you are doing this series then definitely have two girls in the same scene and let the cum drip down into the other girl's mouth and end the scene with like a minutes worth of french kissing, I would totally watch a creampie series with scenes like that!!
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Posted - Dec 11 2003 : 6:47PM
I agree with everyone, creampie into other girls mouth is a very good concept. The creampie has to be consumed.
Tom, great to see Evolution so fan friendly. I'd like to see each scene different. Anal cream pies for sure, preferably in piledriver or reverse. Vag mixed in. Also a shot into a gape would be cool too. Cast should include Kelly Kroft, Crystal Ray and Ashley Blue and plenty of Interracial.
Is it just me or does anybody else think a little variety goes a long way? Try something different each time and keep it fresh.
- actress squeezes it out then masturbates with the semen - squeeze into glass - squeeze into other chick's mouth - 3rd party facial (inside one chick who gives 2nd chick a facial)?
please Tom, listen to what Dreamweaver just said. Deeeper Cream Pies baby! ...usually the guy has only a quarter of his dick inside the girl when he is cuming. Why do they do that, I don't know. But it is a turn off.
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Posted - Dec 11 2003 : 9:39PM
please Tom, listen to what Dreamweaver just said. Deeeper Cream Pies baby! ...usually the guy has only a quarter of his dick inside the girl when he is cuming. Why do they do that, I don't know. But it is a turn off.
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They cum shallow so it's easier to get out and show. Creampies are not very visual by their very nature and the contrivances that are used to show them can be very silly. I agree with the other posts. Cum deep. Have the visual be the cleanup of the offending dick. Creampie eating like Selena did with Ariana in Spit Shined 2 also works very well.
Well thanks for asking us Tom. I am a cream pie lover, I haven't seen anything that appeals to me though. What I would like to see in a cream pie film is when he cums let him keep pounding her hard and fast in the missionary or doggy style position. This could result in some real sloppy cum flying entertainment rather than the usual boring stuff. After the sex stops and she's dripping don't cut out and move on to the next scene. Let her blow him and suck all of the cum off his cock. Another thing I lke is after he cums inside her, when he stops pounding her let him fill her cum filled pussy with his fingers, no more than three though. And then finger bang her to orgasm, after she cums he could pull his cum covered fingers out of her pussy and stick them in her mouth, but don't cut yet. After she sucks his fingers dry try a nice passionate kiss while the camera fades away.
I would also take a different approach rather than the usual ok lets fuck thing and explore turning "Inside Job" into a vignette series that focuses on love scenes between just a man and a woman. The scenes could be creative and fantasy related rather than interview style. It would give the viewer a better sense of passion that way. Passion can be just as good as the creampie. As for casting goes I would like to see Selena Silver and Jessica Darlin.
I don't care much about swallowing or internals, I watch porn for the fucking mostly. But if you are doing a series of this type I would like best to see the guy cum shallow in the girls ass and then squirt it into a glass and drink it. Or if you have two girls, squirt it from her ass into the other girls mouth who then swaps it to the original girl. Even better if you find two really kinky girls, put one girl in a piledriver? position, her shoulders on the ground, her ass in the air. Stick a funnel in her ass and have several guys cum in there. Then of course proceed to squirting it into a glass or the other girls mouth.
I would also have to agree with EagleSpirit about the vignette thing instead of interviews. I don't want to hear a girl say how much she (supposedly) likes to suck dick or how this is her third anal scene this week. I don't want to see a slut get fucked like a slut, I want to see a (seemingly) innocent girl get fucked like a slut. I'd rather see a setup of picking up a cheerleader/schoolgirl walking home from school, or best friends younger sister or something. I've seen setups like this in the Extreme Teen series..
Inside Job is a fine title, but by creating a 100% internal movie also limits the marketability. Fans of internal will get a movie for three GOOD internal cumshots rather than a movie with 10 bad internal cumshots. A company could pick up a lot of customers by adding a variety of sex scenes. Then when they have enough of a certain scene comp it out at a premium price. Evolution has that ability since the company owns all of the material. It could kill two birds with one stone while maintaining a high level of production values.
How about doing either anal or vaginal cream pies, with multiple guys cumming in the girl, then letting the girl squeeze the goo out into another girl's gaping asshole, and have the first girl lick the other girl's gooey bunghole clean.
Cast suggestion: kelly Kroft, Amber Rain, Brianna Blaze, Viki Wett, Dani Woodward (this would be a miracle), Alana Evans, and any other girl that hasn't been overused.
I would mix it up, a couple vag cream pies and some anal cream pies....The other girl needs to do clean up in her mouth or gaping hole....Say hello to Paulo Banana for me...Tell him it's Reno from Insanity...
Hey, this is great -- the fans actually being asked what to do with a scene. Good for you Tom!!! Thanks.
I agree with one or two of the messages above. A creampie scene should have more than the first inch of the guy's dick in the girl. Let's have a deep creampie. Of course two girls 69ing when that happens would be nice, as would having the girl on bottom cleaning the guy when he pulls out. If some cum dribbles out of the girl, that's a plus.
Tom, you said that you have never directed a cream pie scene. But, you have never starred in one either -- on camera! -- right? How come? Surely you've had opportunities.
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Posted - Dec 12 2003 : 11:16AM
Ramsey is on to something here, and I agree with him, guys that are knows for big loads are the best ones to cast. Now I'm the odd ball here, although a cream pie LOVER, I do like the shallow cream pies. I think they just look better and the camera has to wait less for the cum to drip out. Now one think I HATE to see in cream pie videos is the guy jack hammering the girl as he cums, yes that's how we do it in real live, BUT that usually ends up make a frothy kind of cum residue on the dick or the pussy; taking away from the cream pie itself. As for the dropping the cum in another girls mouth, ya that's cool, but any kind work as long as the camera catches the cum ooze out of her pussy. Anal cream pies are nice, but they HAVE to be shallow! Every deep one I have seen results in little or no eye candy for the viewer. That's my 2 cents, but I do consider myself a "BIG cream pie fan". Tom, also, thanks for even asking the question, it just shows you what to know what the people want so YOU can bring it to them!
I wonder if this can be done: A girl doing DAP and both guys cum inside the girl at the same time and as soon as they pull out another girl goes under the girl and catches all the cum from the girls ass while she pushes it out of her ass. That would be like an internal cum cocktail. I'm not sure if a lot of guys out there would agree to do that because it sure would get messy but I'm sure a guy like Dave Hardman would do this with no problem.
Tom, first, as far as I know anal CP's are the most in-demand genre for tape purchases from DS, DVSX, RDL, JJ, ZT, KA, Ana/Dia...all with very excellent series offerings. I rush out to buy them ASAP. The back of the recent Internal Violations from DS as posted on their site and the Sineplex releases all have the cream pie dripping into another girl's mouth. The best one I saw was when I was in Europe and had access to GGG, Climax and other lines with young, fresh Russian girls taking multiple anal cream pies and the filming was nothing short of spectacular...cream pie bukkake!! I would also like to mention IMHO that the more the camera lingers and SLO-MO's the ooze the better. BTW, your scene with Ginger Lynn in NWH#1, the DP scene is my all time favorite scence..miss the good old days when girls like Ginger had orgasms during DPs and could obviously fuck your lights out. My personal favorites in the cream Pie are the Internal Cumbustion Series, Dripping Wet#2, and the Kick Ass 5-Guy series.
Not really. I stopped performing for other companies around '98 and the cream-pie thing hadn't really caught on yet. In fact, it seems to be a rather recent phenomenon, very popular from what I've heard. Like I said, it doesn't really float my boat, but rather than shoot "what makes my dick hard," I'd rather shoot what makes the FAN'S dick hard! After all, they're the ones buying the stuff!
Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Gotta lotta good ones here, keep em comin!
I don't think it is a recent phenomenon, Ed Power's experimented with this so called fetish in the mid-90's. It got a lot of interest but, well, it didn't take off.
There are a lot of good views here, definately take them all into consideration. There is a market for everything.
Not to go off-topic here but the first creampie scene I saw was back in 1993, More Dirty Debutantes 22. Ed Powers and Deborah Wells. He did a lot of creampie scenes back then but no anal creampies as far as I can remember.
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Posted - Dec 13 2003 : 11:28AM
Here's the thing all producers...
Because I've been editing for a while, I've seen a lot of creampie videos and I think they are being tackled all wrong. Porn is supposed to be a visual thing. Guys shooting the jizz way up into a pussy and then working it out is not very pleasing to the eye - especially when they are barking at the chick to 'squeeze it out'.
My recommendation is to make sure the finale is as visual and messy as possible. It's the thing that makes oral cumshots appealing (other than most chicks won't slurp down a cumshot like a pro).
Direct the male to pull out, shoot a couple of shots all over a wide open pussy before jamming it back in to finish off. But make sure the guy pumps shallow so that when he is done the chicks pussy is a creamy, dripping mess for the final shot.
If a viewer can't see it... they can't get a good jerk going over it.
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He has been the PA on the set of every Evolution movie I have shot and he has become one of my favorite people in the business.
His attention to detail is amazing - that will show up in this movies.
The way he treats people is amazing - that will show up in the quality of girls who want to work for him and the performances they deliver for him.
His film-making skills are very high.
I have seen his Independent films - a collection on a DVD he gave me. He does VERY good work and I was wondering when he would be shooting a movie for Evolution.
I would DEFINITELY shoot for him, and I will DEFINITELY be looking forward to watching his first EE porn flick.
I am suggesting all you fans check out his work.
I am also saying CONGRATULATIONS IVAN!!!! You rock, man.
Tommy, you wild salt and sea dog! God Bless your blackend heart for doing your thing! Definitely no fake cumshots! I have shot over 60 cream pie scenes this year, half of the time, the cum gets lost in the girls ass and never, ever cums out! To know how much cheating goes on, I have had some of the biggest cumload guys drop one into a shot glass. Nobody has ever, ever filled it half way up! That is only a half of one ounce. One ounce of cum is a tiny amount of liquid in a girls ass or pussy! When there is extra lube in the ass, it mixes with the cum and creates more volume! I had 3 guys cum in Katrina Kravens ass, it took her 15 minutes to get a little bit out. What I have done on numerous occassion is have the guys cum into the girls gaping asshole so it shoots straight in and runs in, then do some re-insertions, ATM's galore, scoop it out with a spoon and feed it to them, have them scoop it out with their fingers, have them cum fart it out. The cream pie fans [God Bless Them] like it many differant ways, you will be lucky to keep half of the cream pie fans happy, because as you can tell from the postings, lots of wonderful porn consumers like it all differant ways. I had 8 guys cum in Ashley Blues ass, scoop it out with a spoon, then spoon feed it to her, in the same movie 7 guys cummed in Bridgettes ass, she squeezed it out and fed it to herself with her fingers. I have had the girls literally suck it out of another girls ass as she cum farts it out. The lovely Selena Silver did it for me last summer. The nastiest anal cream pie you will ever see is from June of 1999. Elegant Angels "Gang Bang Angels" # 5! We dumped 14 loads of cum in Bridgette Kerkoves ass as she was in piledriver, then I put her on all fours and had her cum fart every single drop out. Tommy, for research purposes, go get the DVD from fat and sassy Patrick. The ending of the movie is a "True Kerkove Love Story" ! I wish you lots of success on your new line by your new director! God Bless you Tommy and God Bless Pornography! Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" Frank Sinatra did it his way! Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn and I love all of the women in porn. "God Bless Pornography" A womans ass is a beautiful thing" Woman rule!
I have enjoyed reading in the line of fire and congratulate Ivan as well. For casting I suggest Selena Silver, Arianna jolle & Victoria Givens For the Inside Job, I think you should try to get the guy to pull out and just barely start blowing his load on her rim, and then ram his cock deep inside to show him actually popping off in her.
How do you do the best Fake cum, mixture? I mean the ingredients what do the directors little helpers use when creating this? It cant be just Pina Coladas
and what do the girls think of it? taste good nice smile. The facial expression when someting tastes rotten is a perfect kodak moment.
Cheers Tom for the post. I'm wondering, what with modern camera technology, how about pioneering a CockCum Cam - and actually film from inside the lady as the guy comes!! (I have seen it on a documentary, as they also showed the cervix, when orgasming, dipping into the cum!)
And whilst I've got this thought it my head, how about a LadyEgg Cam. Insert a camera into a love egg, place into ass and film the guy cumming. But with extra bonus as you could film an ass eye view of another girl, licking around waiting for the cum to dribble out!!
I like the pure nastiness of an internal anal cumshot and then swallowed by the girl or a third party girl. I will never forget the scene in Ass Worship 2 with Bella when she took a nasty internal anal cumshot then shoots it into a little cup then swallows it.
I want to thank everyone for all of the feedback and ideas. I want to apologize for no responding sooner. With the work load and holidays, getting to a computer was a job in itself.
But I finally have my password and account, and am looking forward to speaking to you guys on a regular basis.
All the information in this thread is beyond helpful to me. I have been doing independent film work for a while but this is new genre for me, adult that is. Thank you all for your informative suggestions, I am anxiously awaiting to shoot my first movie for Tom Byron. He has been amazingly open with letting me learn from him and letting my creative juices out. I have been shooting his behind the scenes and recently cut a behind the scenes to Asseaters Unanimous 2.
I want to thank Selena Silver for her kind words. I always look forward to working with Selena because her professionalism and personality makes the day go by smoothly and . Plus we always have fun discussing the yings and yangs of cameras, lights, etc.
Thank you again, I am currently in pre-production on the movie and your great ideas/suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Thank You Ivan!! Welcum to the board and we look forward to hearing from you when updates can be posted!! I have always liked the behind the scenes action for Evolution releases so way to go on that!! Look forward to your first release, again let's have Ariana and Selena share a scene ok!!
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