Jules Jordan

If I had replaced Jules Jordan with Max Hardcore I'm sure this wouldn't be the case.

Or hasn't anybody here watched the bonus sex section of Flesh Hunter 4 dvd version?

Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/13/2004 9:17:34 AM

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But nevertheless they share the same intent. Which is trying to coerce the girl into something they didn't already agree to. Unless of course the whole thing was staged. Have you actually watched the scene I'm talking about? Or did you hear about it from somebody else? It is clear that Cris Taliana is uncomfortable and doesn't want to do anal but Jules Jordan pushes and pushes. She says no albeit in a laughing matter as in an attempt not to offend Jules.

So hypothetically speaking, if Max Hardcore was doing a porn shoot and pissing in a girl's face wasn't originally agreed upon, he can just say pretty please in a playful tone and try to piss in her face and everything would be o.k.?

Say Max attempts to piss in the girl's face but he only get a little on her face because of poor aim. This would be o.k.?

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No I'm not an insider. But a lot of people who saw the dvd extra sex portion who are impartial could easily misinterpret it as you trying to coerce Cris Taliana into anal. This is something I am sure of. You can tell by her body language and the fact that she says no that she is unconfortable with anal (at least the footage that was shown)and yet it appears that you still try to go ahead to do it anyways.

You know very well that fucking a girl in the ass previously is not a good defense. A girl could willingly allow you to fuck her in the ass 5 minutes ago but if 10 minutes later she says no I don't want to be fucked in the ass anymore and you still do it then it is coercion or rape in the eyes of others.

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It's worlds away from a Max scene.

How do you know she's "not trying to offend Jules." They seem to have a pretty good vibe together. I would say what you call "coercion" is about as coercive as a boyfriend trying to talk his girlfriend into doing something she's a little afraid of, so she needs to be persuaded. but it's all low-key and naturally played. Like I said, the scene has the quality of a tease -- which Cris is sublime at playing. Max's scenes are like reenactments of rape or molestation events. I don't see any comparisons to draw, really.

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After all based on your opinions on the Jules/Cris scene it could be said that Erik was just trying to "persuade" Corina into doing anal although she may have been unconfortable with it. Hell she even got paid more for it. So I take it you side with Everhard and Voyeur?

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If what you say is true then the scene was "staged" so there is nothing to the allegation of coercion. You probably have heard about the Corina Taylor/ Vince Voyeur & Everhard scandal. Fans seeing the dvd didn't say Corina looked like she got ass raped. But Corina says she was.

You know why people don't say nothing about the scene I'm talking about. It is because you are perceived as a "nice" guy in the industry. I even agreed that your charming personality shows up on film. Nobody would "suspect" a nice guy would ever do anything against the will of a woman unless the woman complained and cried rape.

Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/13/2004 12:12:10 PM

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Edited by - Yani Z on 8/13/2004 12:02:11 PM

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If a girl says no even if it appears that she may want it you better fucking stop or you run the risk of being an alleged rapist.

Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/13/2004 12:26:51 PM

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I was shooting a scene for Spring Chickens 9 with Joachim and Chanel Chavez.

I know Chanel very well. She hangs out at Boogie Nights from time to time. It was an all-anal scene.

Anybody that knows her knows she really gets into the sex. Shit, I know it from personal experience.

Throughout the scene, from time to time, she says in her way 'no no no' from under her breath. I had to cut the camera to explain to her that when she says no, I can't use it. I tell her to say NO only when she actually means NO.

During the breaks, she seems confused and promises me she'll stop saying it. I tell her instead of no, no, no, say yes, yes, yes! She apologizes and we keep shooting.

Some knuckehead can read into this as coercive. But it wasn't and can't be read as such.

Now that Spring Chickens 9 is pretty much complete, I'm bringing her back today for another scene for another movie. But this time, I have to instruct her on what NOT to say. Unfortunately, this is just the way she is and she says things during the heat of the action.

Chico

Edited by - Chico Wang on 8/13/2004 12:20:10 PM

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Mariangela Melato repeatedly cries Sodomiza mi! Sodomiza mi! to the Neapolitan warthog played by Giancarlo Giannini, and like a good prole, he complies, giving the rich bitch the working class shaft. Brando, of course, reached for the butter, being more of a gourmand. Maria Schiender's tits bobbed like beachballs in the Parisian sunlight. She was an excellent "trained teen." I think. I recall quoting Wilhelm Reich for some reason. Like I said, I was smarter than. Probably because I had yet to watch a porno. Racy European "art" cinema was my raincoat rhapsody.

The big difference between Corina's scene and Kris's is that Kris has never come out claiming she was raped. The ONLY anal I've seen her do was for Jules, which should say a lot about their relationship, I would think. But I don't know diddley. I think the fact that so many of Jules's girls work for him again and again says plenty about his reputation.

I'm done.

Edited by - skronker on 8/13/2004 1:05:09 PM

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Anyhow, I'm the guy culpable of posting the adultfyi.com links and did so because it was a real accusation. Obviously it only engendered fanboyism and unrelated accusations, but it was news, rather than my perception of something on dvd.

Reputations are tremendously subject to entropy when someone's accused of something and hard to build back up---you may be upset, but that doesn't add up to the existance of a victim and maybe diverts attention from someone clearly convinced she was wronged.

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I remember that time period, and I was having fun teasing Jules too. He's so young looking and so easy to tease with - I had a good time! It was all in jest, but I'd say stuff like if it was a different place, a different time, I'd be pestering him to cast me in one of his Feeding Frenzy movies as long as he was one of the guys. He'd get embarassed, and we'd laugh.

I got the feeling from Cris that they had a really good relationship prior to that scene.

If any director was harassing a girl that he didn't previously know and she said no, I would think he should drop it immediately. If he wasn't friends with the girl, I revert back to my previous statement of no renogotiating once the scene starts. If the director likes the girl that much, shoot her again and negotiate better before that scene starts.

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I'm not happy with how stringent real life "RAPE" standards are because vindicate/looney ex gf's can abuse it.

If an ex-girlfriend wanted to be vindictive/spiteful and in one of your past sexual encounters you "coerced" her into having sex when she said NO you could easily be facing rape accusations (and in the eyes of the law she would not be making a false accusation). Because as I understand if a girl says "NO" it doesn't matter if 1 second earlier you were having anal sex with you, you best stop and error on the side of caution.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I've pushed the envelope in my personal life through "coercion"/talking a girl into doing something that she wasn't comfortable sexually with. But if she ever said "NO" I would stop (and I hope in the future I would stop) because the law in the U.S. regarding rape, if the girls says "NO" at any point in the sex act or prior to any sex act but the guy continues anyways then it is rape.

"NO" means "NO" in the eyes of the law pertaining to rape. For the law there is no room for interpretation (of a girl's "NO") of the true intentions of the girl when it comes to rape IF the girl wants to file a claim of rape. Obviously if the girl doesn't cry rape then everything is fine and dandy. But that doesn't mean coercion or what would amount to "rape" in the eyes of the law didn't occur.

Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/14/2004 12:26:24 AM

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Each man decides what level of risk is acceptable for him.

Same with porn producers dealing with female talent.

If you want to do things which can be interpreted/ misinterpreted as coercion or rape then go right ahead but:
"Play, at your own risk".

Just don't be surprised if one day a woman (vindictivie or otherwise) decides to drop the hammer down on you. Have some extra money lying around so you can hire a good lawyer if need be.

Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/14/2004 6:10:12 AM

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I'm a big fan of JJ's work (owning a lot of the FH dvds), but was really surprised at the inclusion of the gang bang of Rose in Feeding Frenzy 4. I don't recall a refusal was ever verbally expressed on Rose's part, but it was strange that penetration just started taking place.

Jules even had to step in and tell the guys to get the focus back on the blowjobs. She took the actual sex in stride, but I couldn't tell if it was spontaneous or pre-planned. This seems like a more more grey area.

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