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Pontus Maximus
Senior Member


Man of Steel, meet your match.
1346 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 4 2002 : 12:33AM
This is the question prompted by Arch Stanton:
Other names that come to my mind are Jessica Darlin, Kristi Myst, Veronica Caine, Slain Wayne, the Artist Formerly Known as Luciano, and Brad Sisken. All of these, as far as I know, left voluntarily (except I'm not sure if this was the case with Veronica).

Extreme Associates a sinking ship? Anything's possible. But people throughout the industry have been predicting their demise for years, but they're still here--at least for now.

Pontus

skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 4 2002 : 2:40AM
Their titles were on a super-discounted sale in NYC shop near Port Authority. Dirt cheap! If that means anything.
BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - Dec 4 2002 : 9:11AM
The problem with Extreme Associates is their "fuck you attitude".

I really enjoyed many of their DVDs, they started out with some great DVDs, but instead of going up in quality, they have gone down.

Tom Byron has said that they were going to improve the DVDs but I can't verify this, as I haven't bought another since that last one.

Tom Byron is such a talented director/performer that I don't know why he sticks with Black... Loyality? Well, loyality doesn't pay bills...

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Dec 4 2002 : 9:51AM
One of their biggest mistakes was concentrating more on wrestling than on what made them money in the first place...PORN
Wrestling goes in cycles, it gets hot and then people lose interest, look at WWE (aka WWF). They managed to eliminate their competition (WCW) and have gone downhill ever since. Ratings are down even though they now have al the marquee stars. If the biggest company like WWE is having problems, just imagine what a small wrestling outfit like Extreme's must be going through.
They screwed up when they paid more attention to stupid wrestling than what got them publicity and cash in the first place...PORN
Murray Head
Member

263 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 4 2002 : 6:26PM
I agree with everything and what MB just wrote.I won't speculate on their demise,but I can safely say they are going downhill product wise.When they first came out they had a good thing going,I even had a thing for Lizzie(PRE-BOOB JOB thank you!).One problem is Rob can do nothing but jump on the bandwagon,and use cheap shocks.I won't dismiss their catalog,I count Terrors from the Clit,Ass Clowns,The Abyss,etc.certainly worthy.Now,they just try to shock,which Lizzie and Zupko are both guilty of.I wish they would stop pretending to exorcise inner demons and comment on society,and just make bone-stiffening porn.Just as with the P.R.stunts,ROb has no original ideas,he is the true carnival huckster,reeling people in and then screwing them once they've paid.This is evident in their comps which aren't listed as comps but continuing series,complete rip offs like Bootcamp 1,etc.They need to clean house,I'd love to see them get back to the energy and QUALITY they had in the beginning.I remember TOm saying they were so fortunate because very few new companies can last,so why waste your time on wrestling.Then ROb wants to be mayor of L.A.,yeah,real orginal,he's just a huckster.But I still dig Miscreants.Oh yeah.
 
Pontus Maximus
Senior Member

Man of Steel, meet your match.
1346 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 4 2002 : 8:43PM
Murray Head, you are right on the money. I completely agree with your comments. And I love the way you deconstructed Rob Black to his most basic terms.

All of the other posters in this thread are right on target in their observations, as well.

I particularly have ambivalent feelings about Thomas Zupko. The man is actually quite brilliant and visionary, but he desperately needed someone to reign him in to keep him from going off on wild tangents and excesses.

Take for example, In the Days of Whore. If Zupko had written that script in such a way that it didn't include lepers, religious themes, and the vat of pig's blood, that could have been one of the most erotic and intense movies ever. Even with the excesses, Kristi Myst's anal gangbang at the end of the movie is the substance that porn dreams are made of.

But in ALL of Zupko's movies, he made the same fundamental mistake over and over again: shock value at the expense of eroticism. Even regarding his yet to be released Ass Alien, once again he still makes the same mistake, putting a grotesque-looking space alien creature in a porn movie that's supposed to turn people on. Who wants to jack or jill off to that? Because Zupko was too thick-headed and unable to revive long enough out of his drunken stupors to really get a clue about what porn fans really want, it's no wonder that Extreme Associates finally lost their patience with him and showed him the door.

Another issue about Extreme Associates that has been observed by many is this. After a certain point, a clear trend of discontinuing to hire black male porn talent began to emerge. This was especially true of Thomas Zupko's hiring practices. Even in The Crack Pack, which was a porn parody of The Rat Pack that Zupko was planning to shoot, he mentioned that he intended to hire a white man in blackface to play Sammy Davis, Jr.'s counterpart. While Extreme Associates continued to hire and use black female porn talent, they began shying away from black male/white female sexual themes (as if they were suddenly starting to comply with the recommendations of the controversial Cambria List).

But probably no single issue has been more widely discussed and criticized than Extreme Associate's problems with the quality of their DVD releases. Supposedly, Tom Byron himself was going to become directly involved in that operation and bring it up to standards. To date, no one seems to have detected even a modicum of improvement in the quality of their DVDs. But, giving Tom the benefit of the doubt, maybe it just takes awhile for these DVD improvements to really become manifest.

Extreme Associates remains one of the most controversial and enigmatic studios in the history of porn. Although they have shown signs of brilliance in the past, unfortunately for them, they have been on a high-profile downhill slide for the last several months. Will they go down in flames? Or will they somehow reinvent themselves, rise like the mythical Phoenix from the ashes, and once again become a major player in the porn industry. Only time will tell.

Pontus

swayne
SubVisionFilms.com

97 Posts
10/02
Posted - Dec 22 2002 : 3:01AM
Zupko said that of all the things Extreme shouldn't of done was to create a war on A.V.N. (Adult Video News)
because of this perhaps it hurt their sales and their publicity machine, two things important to a company.
Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 12:56AM
It´s more like shipmates leaving a sinking rat.
Pontus Maximus
Senior Member

Man of Steel, meet your match.
1346 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 8:48AM
Good point, Planet. That's a much more accurate metaphor.

Pontus

Michael Saint
Photographer

Alexis Texas is always lovely
1062 Posts
2/01
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 5:54PM
I honestly think that Tom should be the head of that company. Part of Black's problems was/are that he didn't know when to quit. While at Elegant Patrick Collins tended to rein him in a little bit and he turned out some great movies because of it. Once he was on his own however more often then not he overshot his mark. Which is what most of his in house directors are doing now.



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