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One of the things I dig about it is that 70's porn was just a free-for-all. Nowadays, porn is very specific. There are entire series dedicated to one specific thing (DP, feet, big tits, etc). But when you watch a porn flick from back then, you never know what you're gonna get, and it's kind of cool.

Also, the porn stars generally looked more natural. No boob jobs, and they didn't shave their bushes. The trade off is that the guys didn't shave either, so you get a lot of hairy-man-ass, but what are you gonna do? At least they mixed up the cum shots a little bit. In the 70's, when a guy was ready to cum, he just pulled out and let it fly (on her tits, stomach, butt, wherever). Now every guy has to hold it until he can shoot in her face. That gets very old after a while, and again, just seems so forced and scripted.

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Also and more concretely, there were not a lot of attractive male performers before the 80's, which is my main deterrent.

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The thing that troubles me more than the mere age aspect is the reality of the performer's lives. For example, I haven't really watched any Samantha Fox films since I found out how troubled her life was during her career [check out her performance in Her Name Was Lisa for hints of it]. I recently got into Hyapatia Lee's Vivid work, particularly The Masseuse , but this is a woman who grew so sick of being Hyapatia Lee that she faked her own death. Sometimes I have trouble reconciling that with enjoying her scenes. Plus, there are girls like PJ Sparx who just flat out disappeared, winning Hall of Fame awards for PJ Sparx (not that she was there to accept it) well after that person ceased to exist. Then I start wondering if she regrets her time in the biz, or if she's just sensibly moved on. Or you hear stories of Anna Ventura going through Julianne Moore-Boogie Nights style custody battles. I realize I'm probably overthinking it.

As for porn stars that have died, if I know that they are dead I usually can't watch their stuff. Goes for the guys (especially John Holmes) and girls. Listening to Cecil Howard's commentary on the Night Trips DVD was incredibly depressing because it was like a trail of broken dreams and lives (it seemed like everyone in the film other than Veronica Hart had some sad story, many of them now dead or rumored to be dead).

As for then vs. now, I dig the energy of girls like Sara Stone and Sunny Lane. Current girls are prone to be nastier, nastier not having to mean anal and like extremities (not always nastier though-Velicity Von is like a new Taija Rae, looking and fucking just like her). The way the scenes are shot also ideally lends itself toward the girls genuinely enjoying themselves more as opposed to acting like they are during a long day on set (the facial expressions can be unintentionally hilarious), though there will always be some degree of performing. The lighting is also much better now. I have grown tired of the girls always dressed up as whores, the amount of throat gagging and face slapping, the marginilization of sex into easily packaged specialities and fetishes, and the compulsory conclusion of a potentially dehumanizing facial. It just seemed more natural in older porn when the guys would just pull out and shoot off on a girl's lower back or stomach or whatever. Maybe this shouldn't bother me, but current guys seem abnormally hard. Blowjobs have nothing to do with stimulation and everything to do with lubrication now. In old porn, after the guys cum they go flaccid; modern guys cum and their cocks stay rock hard, as if they're ready to shoot three more scenes that day. Also, how often do girls get eaten out in today's porn?

Edited by - -Kelly- on 8/8/2006 7:50:57 PM

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I've also thought occasionally of what some of these women might look like now and that is a bit of a downer. Hard living and marginal financial lives have probably not done a lot for many of them. I'd be curious, in a sort of staring-at-the-wreck way to see what Keli Richards or Elle Rio might look like now.

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For me love to watch porn like that. The girls back then were women and porn had a lot more class than today's porn.
It wasn't just a couch in a room with a girl getting fucked in the ass, a girl being abused by a man or women, it wasn't double anal, wasn't dp's, it wasn't gangbangs, 5 on 1's (which I love so much!)or anything to that nature. And if it was any of those things it had class! Also the market wasn't flooded with it.

Also the people back then were there because they truly loved to fuck. Not here for money or trying to be Jenna or whatever the case maybe. They were because they LOVED SEX and probably still do. lol

Anyways! I am not trying to knock the porn nowadays. I love it. I love how it has evolved and the industry has grown. An I certainly love doing all the dirtie stuff that porn has to offer me. But I just would like to see some of the things from that era to come back that's all.

Now that I have had my little rant. I am OUT!

XOXOX- Taryn Thomas

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are u the same way with other movies, shows & music? like if a Aaliyah song comes on are you just like "aaaah she's deeead i cant be hearing this"

how about books can you read books by people who have died?

really your suggestion is weird to me

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My only gripe would be that women (with exception to only a few) almost always kept their shoes on. This was very frustrating for a little boy with a budding foot fetish ;)

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[i love to say fuck every fuckin' day]

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How about proceeding in Stroking to dead porn stars?

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I too enjoy watching golden age movies as well as modern porn. If I am in the mood for something with a little more substance plot-wise, I'll almost always pop in a golden age flick. If I want something to wank too, I find it easier to get off to current movies, although I do have a few GA scenes that are favorites. I suppose there have been times that I have watched a film and thought "I wasn't even born when this was made" or "damn, I'm as old as this movie". Having such thoughts isn't conducive to masturbation, at least for me. Perhaps I need to try and view the movie as a fantasy, and not so much as a time capsule to a period long since past.

With regard to deceased starlets, I strongly disagree with those who said it's no different than reading books by deceased authors and listening to songs by deceased musicians. Why? Quite simply, because porn, in my mind, is created for an entirely purpose. It is intended to arouse the viewer sexually. Regardless of how the filmmakers or anyone else may try to sugarcoat it, regardless of how intricate the plot maybe, in the end, such films are made and intended to be jerkoff fodder. I'm not saying porn can't be enjoyed on other levels. Just that the primary focus is to illicit a sexual response from the audience. That being the case, I do find it hard to enjoy scenes with deceased starlets because the thought of death is always there. More specifically in those cases in which we know the actress committed suicide. Such cases are even more disturbing in my opinion, because we (well at least I) can't help but watch them onscreen and question whether or not they are enjoying their work. As a viewer, I get off if I believe the performers are getting off. They may not be getting off all the time, I understand that. But, if they've convinced me that they are enjoying themselves even one iota, they have done their jobs, and I'm a happy viewer. Knowing the starlet would go on kill herself doesn't exactly fit in with having a “good time”, and therefore watching them doesn't do it for me.

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Right now, in the U.S., the Soap Opera cable channel is running, in its entirety, the now-defunct soap "Another World". They are into the late 80's episodes. Add explicit sex scenes to this and it would look just like 80's porn.

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I went back recently and watched one of the very first porn movies I saw as a kid in the eighties. It was called "The Pink Lagoon". I think it starred Gina Lynn and Ron Jeremy among others and I found nothing arousing or strokeworthy about it at all. I think it was critically acclaimed at the time.

Personally, my reasons for watching porn are purely carnal. I like to watch it and masturbate. I don't think Coppola or Kubrick could make anything as good as Mike John, Brandon Iron, or Jules Jordan. In a word, features don't interest me at all.

Thinking back through the 70s 80s and most of the 90s. I really can't name one title that I think is worth owning or even viewing. My remembrance of porn past can be summed up as follows: Horrible music, poor lighting, genitals totally obscured by pubes, generally incredulous story lines, cum dodging, and the ever ubiquitous frame-up of the male talents face as he ejaculates. Later in the eighties and nineties we had girls with big ugly hair, ridiculous balloon -shaped breasts and guys dressed up as goats or devils; whatever. I could go on and on.

I actually think we are coming to the end of kind of a golden age of porn that began somewhere in the mid to late nineties and was brought about partially by the fall of the Soviet Union and the subsequent opening up of the Eastern Bloc countries. Or maybe that time frame just coincides with the birth of gonzo and my preference for European talent.

As kind of a side note: Many in this thread have brought up the subject of body hair. This film mentioned above - Pink Lagoon - of course features not only unshaven women as was common in those days, but a scene where one of the male actors has a back full of hair. I'm not talking about a few wisps about the small of the back but a full-on pelt that covers his shoulder area and beyond. He bangs away and the girls in the scene are rubbing and touching it like it ain't no thing. Just wierd how attitudes change over time.

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The women were mostly natural and if they weren't, they had they ghastly scars underneath their EEEE breasts (like Candy Samples). Everyone had hair - all over. John Holmes was ending, Jeremy Butler was the, uh, king, and Ron Jeremy was skinny and a newbie. Ginger Lynn was not only the hottest porn star, she was the hottest star anywhere (save for my beautiful Angel).

While some of the stuff in the 1970's is certainly erotic, the sex in subpar on so many levels. Most of the stuff made post 1989 is not erotic and the sex is gynecologic. For me, my classic era starts with a few movies in the 70's and extends easily through the mid eighties. I gave up on porn in the early 1990's because I didn't find watching silicone "not" move terribly erotic or interesting. For example, I found Tori Welles to be much sexier pre-implant! When I got back into this hobby in early 2004, I was able to submerge myself in the best of the prior ten years and it was great.

I have a large collection of classic porn on DVD and tape. I find the classics last longer in our memories while the newer stuff is so 'act'-specific that it is very interchangable - honestly, is there really much difference between "Cum-Swapping-Just-Over-18's-Who-Do-Anal 25" and "Cum-Swapping-Just-Over-18's-Who-Do-Anal 59"?

I will say that I find much of the stuff that Brad Armstrong and even Stormy put out these days is very similar to the 1970-plot-based porn.

The bottom line is that I am a fan of anything that is well-filmed, directed, edited, is not a carbon-copy of everything else out there and holds my attention.

And BTW, I have no problem watching Annette Haven (who would now be 52), Kay Parker (who would now be 62), Aunt Peg (67), Seka (62) or anyone else from that era. Frankly, other than the late Linda Lovelace (were she alive, she would be 67), Stacy Donovan (42) and a few others, I'm sure they would have no problem with us watching them either.

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Amber, Gina, Ginger, Gamber, I knew I would get something wrong in that screed. But strange you mention John Leslie. I would give credit to him and his mid - late 90's 'Voyeur' series along with some of Stagliano's work for inspiring my interest in porn.

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I don't find it weird to watch old porn. I regularly go back to older stuff from Diabolic, Anabolic and studios from the 1990s. I recently came across a scene from the 1980 movie with Marilyn Chambers called Insatiable. I remember seeing it back in the early 80s, but I don't remember much about it. The one scene I have is with Richard Pacheo where Marilyn gives Richard a blowjob as he leans back against a car. I've been collecting and watching porn for over 40 years and this is one of the best blowjob scenes I've ever seen.

I got the scene from Adult Prime (not Adult Time) on a channel they have for classics. Unfortunately, they either don't have the rest of the movie or if they do, the naming system they use makes it impossible to find. I even tried IAFD because they link to various VOD sites, but all those sites have some anime movie also called Insatiable.

Bottom line - who cares how old it is? If you like it, it doesn't matter.

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And I forgot there was a sequel too

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Edited to say thanks a second time. It was on sale through the link you provided. It's now added to my collection.

^ Agreed. RLD is great too.

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Most welcome. My memory of That blowjob scene I always think of the song "Sandy suck it faster". IMO another thing we miss in the modern porn is Great Fucking Music soundtracking. It's not all just wah wah pedal funk or four to the floor disco either. These movies had great scores quite often by talented composers.

I've found you have to kind of "search around the title" putting in actress or distributor and then you'll find the correct movie.
That goes for all platforms - Adultempire, Pop Porn, Hotmovies, Iafd's own streaming videos, they're all based on the same UI and seems to be owned by the same people.

Yeah the Iafd search is sometimes gnarly but there isn't a whole lot of content that was on vhs or dvd that hasn't been digitized, although you don't always get the director-producer intended version. Pee and fisting tended to be cut when they were released to home video just in case The Prosecutors got their panties in a wad.

Obviously the Meese commission and the MiPorn FBI investigation into organized crime put certain strictures (even self imposed) on pornographers which the internet/ gonzo / Max Harcore style kind of blew the doors off of after the 1996 Clinton victory.

There was a fisting scene apparently in insatiable but no version was ever released with it intact - Serena gives some five finger loving to Marilyn Chambers but it was left on the cutting room floor, that's even if it *was *definitely filmed.

Insstiable also has Chambers best ever scene with David Morris, the hotness of the pool table and the kinky scenario and dirty talk therein is legendary.

I see on Adultprime - so for free - they have the full movie The Resurrection of Eve - if you've never seen it and you like Instiable, you should watch it, I remember it being a really excellent example of scripted 70s adult erotica, starring Chambers and directed by San Fran's Mitchell Brothers.

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