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| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 |  Posted - Aug 7 2014 : 9:07PMDirectors kindly read this full & get back to me plz . I want to talk about the female performance role in today's porn & maybe porn since the beginning of time..I've been a porn viewer for a long time..I think female performance in porn,b/g porn, is mostly,if not always, passive.And I think this has to do with how media & society shape our perceptions about sex & sexuality.It has become a mainstream culture that men crave women more than women want men.Don't get me wrong,of course we're crazy for women but I think this unidirectional view on sex has had bad effects on both men & women.Women have a hard time showing or even recognizing their lustful side for men.I'm not talking about sex only,everyone wants sex,I'm talking about lust for the opposite sex.For instance,compare the number of guys who go to strip clubs to the number of girls.Compare playboy to playgirl,most playgirl subscribers are gay as they once stated.As for men,I think it makes them feel unwanted,or at least not as much wanted & that women only want them as a sex machine not because they lust them themselves & their bodies.I think this goes back to women needing to be wanted & lusted & men being providers & givers but that has changed now & I think it's time to show & allow it. We see male to female body worship all the time in porn which I know is not real life but it still signifies what people look for.Men caress the woman body,kiss it,lick it,suck it anywhere & everywhere ,we enjoy it,we don't just do it to please our partner but do women feel the same ? or would they feel the same if they're "allowed" to ? If women are not as visual as men then why do lesbian women seem passionate about each others bodies ? I think lesbian porn has a lot more chemistry & passion than b/g porn at least that's how porn shows it or is it all just an act ? Are directors responsible for this ? do they limit the performance of pornstars to certain actions & "procedures" ? Why don't we see this in b/g porn ? Everytime I try googling it I see gay porn ! Why don't we see the girl grabbing the man's ass or kissing his shoulders or licking his chest or belly & having her way with him for her pleasure ? This isn't femdom or domination,it's just lust.I think porn needs this & more importantly I think men & women need this. This is the only relevant article I could find on the web : http://www.imarriedasexgod.com/2014/04/how-to-worship-mans-body.html [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 7 2014 : 9:28PM [Link] |
| MimeFreak Senior Member 1819 Posts 2/14 | Posted - Aug 8 2014 : 3:36AM If I'm correct I would like to say my wife (Tori Black) had mentioned something like this. The only problem I would envision is fans feeling like it's too gay to shoot something like that. However I think if I were to shoot it a certain way then I could capture this. Also, you might want to check to see if this is done with Mason's Erotica line that she is doing. Sounds like more of that type of brand would do something more in that direction. I hope that my opinion matters and that I was able to answer your question or response properly to your statement. Thanx for your vision. It's a good one. Stay tuned. [Link] |
Gore Gore Girl  Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Aug 8 2014 : 7:34AM That said, I suspect a good number of men and women would love to see women worship men's bodies and those who are unnerved by it can either watch other stuff or get used to it and enjoy it in secret. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 8 2014 : 9:30AM But heterosexual men, without any bi-sexual leanings, are mostly interested in the woman's body. Their interest in the guy is mostly in his performance with the lady and not in his looks. It's not possible to please everyone, because different people want to see different things. But there are groups of people how have common interests, and porn makers need to make movies especially designed for their interests. If you try to please everyone by showing a little bit of what each possible audience might want to see, then you probably won't please anyone. Because everyone will be annoyed that the whole movie isn't like the one small part they really like. [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Aug 8 2014 : 5:18PM Edited by - joeteen on 8/8/2014 8:46:05 PM [Link] |
| MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Aug 8 2014 : 5:24PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Aug 9 2014 : 4:51PM It seems like what you’ve done involves more subjectivity, including for the guys. The guys often are just dicks. Exactly, and I like to see everybody having sex, and that was one of my problems early on, watching porn—I couldn’t see the guys. Sometimes my interest is not just in watching the woman’s reaction to what’s happening, but it’s also the man’s. I like to see the connection between two people, not just a girl getting railed. So, when I shoot I like to show the guys reacting also. Seeing the guys enjoying what’s happening, and seeing her making eye contact, that for me is what makes it sexy. I couldn’t agree more. It’s refreshing when people dare to show the man’s face, feeling something. I wonder if you’ve met any resistance from either Evil Angel or from fans in terms of daring to show male response. You know, nobody’s said anything to me about it. I wonder if it’s one of those things where they’re not aware that it’s happening, but maybe their perspective has changed and they don’t know why. Sometimes I wonder if the fans even notice. Are we making a decision about what the fans want, and we’re not really giving them the option? I’m providing the option, and there doesn’t seem to be any resistance to it. So I wonder if, subtly, it’s a new way. I also think some people think it’s too homoerotic to see the man enjoying himself. I don’t necessarily think it’s homoerotic, and if the guy’s getting turned on by another guy, who cares?  [Link] |
| Mick Blue All-Star Member 310 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Aug 9 2014 : 5:47PM Mostly I think it depends in the woman's carracter and style. As a director I let my performers always the freedom to go during the sex in any direction. They feel like. I want them to have fun :-). If a girl worships a mans body I thing that's supper hot and it also feels realy good :-) [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Aug 9 2014 : 6:24PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Aug 9 2014 : 11:18PM [Link] |
| matchmaker Senior Member 24910 Posts 4/05 | Posted - Aug 10 2014 : 4:21AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 10 2014 : 4:46AM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 5 2015 : 11:13AM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Jun 5 2015 : 12:45PM [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 1:25AM Like Mick Blue said above, I get the impression any passivity is more the lady herself rather than any specific direction. The touching one is interesting, as I actually don't think there is much non-sexual-organ touching on either part. Or very little from the men and none from the women. (Funnily, the small amount of amateur porn I've watched often contains far more touching and caressing than you normally see.) And I too would love to see the lady touching and groping the male body throughout the seen. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:23AM The difference between amateur and professionally made porn movies is that amateur movies are probably done without a script. Without a detailed script, people just behave naturally with each other. But when you write out a detailed script and follow it, then you are going to miss doing all those things that people normally do without thinking, such as groping each other sexually during their sexual encounter. A detailed script strips out all the small things that people normally do either spontaneously without any plan for it, or subconsciously, without being fully aware of it when they do it. Which makes the scripted sex look artificial and sterile. [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 10:28PM I find in these types of movies with semi-amateur women with amateur men, the women are generally far more body-touchy, active and vocal than in regular porn, while the men sometimes seem more interested in touching than in the actual sex. (Just a note that in the Denni O amateur films I've seen, the film quality is quite bad, but you get used to it.) Edited by - Simple Simon on 6/6/2015 10:29:31 PM Edited by - Simple Simon on 6/7/2015 3:03:48 AM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 6:54PM http://www.yourtango.com/experts/melissa-fritchle/men-want-feel-sexy-too-expert [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 7:21AM I've never seen a female porn-star tell a guy in a joking way to "put that thing away", as the author of the above article says. Female porn-stars are pretty good at paying some oral and handy attention to the guy's cock, once he gives it to them. The only flaw I see in virtually every porn-film is that the porn-lady almost never goes after the guy's cock on her own. She always waits for the guy to give it to her. And her waiting for the guy's cock quite often isn't even apparent. It's like she has no interest in the guy's cock at all, until he gives it to her. Such behavior from the lady makes it look like she is only doing what the guy wants, and she has no interest in him on her own. Which probably doesn't look good to most male viewers. Because this apparent lack of desire from the lady makes the guy feel unwanted. It would be nice to see a hot lady grab her guy's cock and stroke it with her hand entirely on her own, when he isn't expecting it, just because she feels like it and he is within reach. And when Mike Adriano does his ass-to-mouth with two hot ladies, with one of them being the ass-lady and the other the oral lady, then it would be nice to see the oral lady struggle with the guy a little over whether his cock is going to be inside her mouth or inside the other lady's ass. The oral lady should be reluctant to let go of the guy's cock, so that he needs to break free to go on his ass-banging spree with the other hot lady. And the oral lady should snatch Mike's cock out of the other lady's ass and quickly put it in her mouth, when she sees that Mike Adriano has pulled out of the other lady's ass a little too much. Mike Adriano's ass-to-mouth vignettes with two hot ladies would be a lot more interesting to watch, if the oral lady starts acting jealous and makes it a struggle between him and her over whether his cock is going to be inside her mouth or inside the other lady's ass. Mike Adriano would need to break free every time he wants to go on an ass-banging spree. And the oral lady would be there waiting like a hawk and getting her timing just right so that she can snatch Mike's cock out of the other lady's ass on his pull-out from her and put it back inside her own mouth. You would have sexual drama and sexual suspense in this kind of a situation. Which is a lot more interesting to watch than just a guy doing whatever he wants with two passive ladies, who don't seem to have any will or desire of their own. Edited by - Dan on 8/1/2015 7:36:23 AM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 4:53PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 2 2015 : 8:05AM Cock makes it sexual, rather than romantic. Porn doesn't work without the cock, unless it's lesbian porn you are talking about. The lady's interaction with cock always needs to be there to make it true porn. But on top of cock, you can add other types of touching at the same time. Because when the lady is mostly focused on the guy's cock, then any additional touching she does at the same time also looks sexual, the way it's supposed to be in porn. Edited by - Dan on 8/2/2015 8:05:53 AM [Link] |
| ControlFreak Member At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Aug 2 2015 : 12:12PM I think oral is usually not passive. Oral has been a power thing in popular discussion. And in blowbangs, they oftentimes act like they are deranged cock fiends. Gangbangs are like that too, the girs sometimes lick ass too, but I think there are more passive gangbangs than blowbangs because the theme is often "wow look at all that she can handle". Grabbing men's asses and focusing on their whole body is a specific kind of aggressiveness. [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Aug 3 2015 : 8:48AM [Link] |
| Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14 | Posted - Aug 3 2015 : 9:16AM [Link] |
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| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 3 2015 : 9:25AM It's like an electric dildo becomes very active, after you switch it on. Without any initiative from the lady, her being active is like that of a robot, rather than a human being. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 3 2015 : 9:43AM Sure, that's what most porn films show now. But this show might be due to a misunderstanding by porn-makers of what porn-viewers want to see. Because the viewers have no control over what choices are presented to them. They can only choose among given to them alternatives. And if something they really want to see isn't one of the alternatives, then they have to settle for what's given to them, or else they get nothing at all. A poor alternative is often better than nothing at all. And that's why consumers tolerate this kind of thing, when they have no other choice. [Link] |
| StarGrek Deactivated User Under the moonlight. 1763 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 4 2015 : 4:09PM I dont belong to those who want to see a woman in passive role in adult films. It is highly boring to use a woman as a rug doll and nothing else. When a woman participates in the heat of the sex she boosts the entire scene a hundred times up. It makes it shine! But at the same time the man should not be apathetic. He should also participate too. So in general, one should know how to take care of the other. Furthermore there is no better picture in porn than a woman who knows how to take care of her partner or an instance when is being physically expressive on her lover's treatments urging and encouraging him by her gestures to continue his "work". [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 24 2015 : 6:38PM |
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